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Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:53 pm

Wait...they're worried about pollution from lawn mowers? Wow. I guess planes haven't spewed out tons of fuel fumes every time they have taken off in the past 50 years. Great environmental plan guys! Keep up the good work. Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...-at-ohare-20120914,0,2055145.story

"Chicago is looking for goats to graze the outer reaches of O'Hare International Airport. And a goat herder too.

Amy Malick is the Aviation Department's point person for sustainability, and she says the city is looking at a pilot program of 30 goats to eat grass and weeds in one, hard-to-mow area.

She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.

Malick adds that the department also worries about pollution produced by mechanical mowers, so they're turning to the four-legged variety.

Atlanta recently started a similar effort, and San Francisco has been using goats for years."
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Wait...they're worried about pollution from lawn mowers? Wow. I guess planes haven't spewed out tons of fuel fumes every time they have taken off in the past 50 years. Great environmental plan guys!

So if you can't fix the whole problem in one fell swoop, you shouldn't make any incremental efforts?

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Keep up the good work. Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

I would assume this concern is addressed from within the story (quoted via you):

Quote:
Amy Malick is the Aviation Department's point person for sustainability, and she says the city is looking at a pilot program of 30 goats to eat grass and weeds in one, hard-to-mow area.

She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:59 pm

I like it!

And:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.
Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):

She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.

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Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
they're worried about pollution from lawn mowers?
Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
in one, hard-to-mow area.

Ermmm, maybe they're just looking for a different way to care for that area? With the pollution just being a side benefit? This is my nomination for "C'mon Man" of the week.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:06 pm

I wonder if the goats will unionize and then demand better grass to chew on and bigger stalls in the barn  
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:27 pm

Oh man, if only grass would taste good it would be a perfect job for me and my camera..  
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:29 pm

In a few years, an animal rights organization will claim that the airplanes are spoiling the goats' habitat and the airport will have to be closed.

  

I will say that goats are really good at stripping the ground in otherwise hard to maintain areas (e.g. steep hillside, lots of ditches, rocks, etc.). Of course, this ability also means they're really hard to keep in a confined area. I commend them and wish them luck.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:57 pm

Related news item from ATL earlier this week.
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/now...at-hartsfield-jackson-sheep/nR8nz/

And this photo from the Philippines.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drexel/497609643/
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:57 pm

So it has to be south of Irving Park or west of the airport boundary where they grow shrubs for the airport. I've seen trees out there too, which are used in the city.

Everywhere else is within the fence line.

[Edited 2012-09-14 12:59:52]

[Edited 2012-09-14 13:01:30]
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:16 pm

How long until we see O'Hare Goat Cheese being sold in the terminal?

But seriously, this is a far better idea than hassling with mowers.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting xlc (Reply 6):
I will say that goats are really good at stripping the ground in otherwise hard to maintain areas (e.g. steep hillside, lots of ditches, rocks, etc.). Of course, this ability also means they're really hard to keep in a confined area. I commend them and wish them luck.

It makes me a little worried about that. They can eat tin cans, so I'm wondering what kind of fence is going to adequately contain them for aviation safety.

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Quoting xlc (Reply 6):
In a few years, an animal rights organization will claim that the airplanes are spoiling the goats' habitat and the airport will have to be closed.

I predict that the goats will unionize and demand healthcare, dental, family leave, and coffee breaks.  
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:44 pm

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Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:50 pm

ORD can probably find what they need in the city council.
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:53 pm

They use goats for "landscaping" in downtown LA too, for environmental reasons. Never heard of that "method" - at least in cities and airports - before I saw goats all over the place one morning.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:39 pm

I think you are overcomplicating the issue. If there's a goat herder then obviously he won't let the goats go out of his sight, let alone chew through a fence. Why would a goat even wanna chew through a fence? This also reminds me. While visiting a Russian airbase this summer (and last summer), I noticed that there is actually NO fence AT ALL around the perimeter. One can literally walk up to the runway (until the security spots you   ). And the fields directly adjacent to the runway are regularly used by goats with a goat herder. If they have no problems doing it, I'm sure a much bigger airport like ORD can handle it. Although sights like this sure are funny to see.

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Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:16 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
It makes me a little worried about that. They can eat tin cans, so I'm wondering what kind of fence is going to adequately contain them for aviation safety.

I've never known a goat to eat anything that isn't good for it outside of a couple plants that are poisonous to them. Problem with goats and fences is when you get goats fighting across the fence or goats using the fence for other reasons (scratching/climbing). They are very territorial and most of the time will start to panic if they find themselves on the wrong side of a fence. I've even had goats stay in their pen when a gate was left open until I was there the next day they so dislike being out of thier accustomed area.

Also for those that worry about them getting on the runway. The biggest goats are 300-350lbs or so and thats pretty exceptional for a meat breed. A dairy breed will be no where near that. So even if against everything they normaly do they find thier way onto a taxiway, its not going to be a major issue hitting one. Noise, lights, pavement, etc will all keep most goats well away regardless of fencing.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 8):
Everywhere else is within the fence line.

There is more than one fence. You're thinking of the outer perimeter fence. I know of at one internally fenced area which may well be what they are talking about. There is a drainage ditch that runs through the northwest corner of the airport--where the hangars, employee parking, and storage tanks are. Also a ditch near the north perimeter, but this may not be fenced from the operational area.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Chicago Looking For Goats To Graze At ORD  

Not to worry. Some alderman's nephew's son-in-law owns a goat farm and will give them a real good price. Even with the kickback.
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:49 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

Oh, lamb chops on runway 9L? I'll be there!  
Quoting Web (Reply 9):
But seriously, this is a far better idea than hassling with mowers.

Well, trying to say it's to stop air pollution when you have a fleet of jet fueled aircraft coming and going all day and night is kind of a lie.
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

   Screw bird strikes, GOAT strikes are going to be the new thing now     

Just imagine one of those things getting sucked into a GE-90....we'd have goat slushie all over the runway and pretty much just a tube of a cowling left after that!

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
And a goat herder too.

Yeah let me check my buddy who is a job placement officer for how many GOAT HERDERS there are left in this country searching for work   
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 18):
Oh, lamb chops on runway 9L?

Lamb chops from a goat? Hmmm! Maybe kid chops.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Yeah let me check my buddy who is a job placement officer for how many GOAT HERDERS there are left in this country searching for work

Might not even need goat herders. You'd be surprised how well a good herding dog can control a group of animals wether it's sheep, cattle, goats, or even ducks. And they work cheap....no unions.

If they have the goats anywhere near runways or taxiways they'd have to have double fencing. But overall this concept is very doable.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:59 pm

Goats do a good job on lawns. But I'd be worried about all that jet fuel misted grass being good for them. I think over time it would poison them.

And let's not forget that goats LOVE to climb up on things. Like buildings and cars. And while doing this they also cause considerable damage to the car/truck with their hooves.
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:04 am

It's only a matter of time before the goats realize that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence....  
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting lewis (Reply 13):
They use goats for "landscaping" in downtown LA too, for environmental reasons. Never heard of that "method" - at least in cities and airports - before I saw goats all over the place one morning.

Google uses them at their campus. It's actually becoming very popular. It's cheaper, more environmentally friendly, and the goats produce their own fertilizer at the same time as they mow the grass!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Screw bird strikes, GOAT strikes are going to be the new thing now

Stranger things have happened. There was that AS 737 that had an mid-air collision with a salmon. http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=78&channel_id=7

Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):
Goats do a good job on lawns. But I'd be worried about all that jet fuel misted grass being good for them. I think over time it would poison them.

If planes are spitting out uncombusted fuel at those sorts of levels, there is something wrong with the engines.
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):

And let's not forget that goats LOVE to climb up on things. Like buildings and cars. And while doing this they also cause considerable damage to the car/truck with their hooves.

If it's the areas I think they're talking about, there are no cars of buildings for them to climb on. I was thinking along Irving Park Road, westbound from Mannheim on the north side of the road, probably all the way up to where the post office is, inside and outside of the fence.
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:24 am

I hope the goats are under watch when there or some locals may steal them for food or steal to resell to a butcher. Goat is eaten by some from Carribbean Islands as well as believers in Islam.
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:32 am

Quoting copter808 (Reply 16):

Yes, out towards the fuel farms is where I think you're referring too and along the vehicle roadway coming in from post #1.

I could see that area using goats now that you mentioned it, and I know just the person to contact and ask about this.

Best ORD news to come along in sometime!
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 25):
Goat is eaten by some from Carribbean Islands as well as believers in Islam

goat is eaten pretty much everywhere now.

and believe it or not, theft is driven more not by inability to pay or the shadyness of any group, but its being hard to get during holidays when its used in traditional dishes. I mean people who steal definitely have a lack of character, but the final trigger is rarely an empty wallet or total contempt for other people.
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 26):

Yes, out towards the fuel farms is where I think you're referring too and along the vehicle roadway coming in from post #1.

Would that be in the northwest part of the airport rather than the southeast portion that I was thinking of?
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Just imagine one of those things getting sucked into a GE-90....we'd have goat slushie all over the runway and pretty much just a tube of a cowling left after that!

Interestingly enough, at the plant where the GE-90's are made (Durham, NC, US), they use goats to eat the grass on their solar farm next to the plant. I was told by one of the engineers that the goats are much more effective than robotic lawnmowers (which they tried first).

http://goo.gl/maps/46IzT (Picture of the solar farm adjacent to the plant).
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):
And let's not forget that goats LOVE to climb up on things. Like buildings and cars. And while doing this they also cause considerable damage to the car/truck with their hooves.

I'm gonna laugh so hard when some spotter in ORD gets a photo of a goat that climbed up on the wing!   

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Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:04 am

It is certainly interesting to note how much people on an aviation forum know about the characteristics of goats.
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:27 am

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 31):
It is certainly interesting to note how much people on an aviation forum know about the characteristics of goats.

Well, I'm a Capricorn and I HAVE been called an old goat, many times.......  
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Quoting rduddji (Reply 29):
Interestingly enough, at the plant where the GE-90's are made (Durham, NC, US), they use goats to eat the grass on their solar farm next to the plant. I was told by one of the engineers that the goats are much more effective than robotic lawnmowers (which they tried first).

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Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:26 am

This has got to be one of funniest threads on here.

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Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
the goats produce their own fertilizer at the same time as they mow the grass!

Just don't step in it  
Quoting rduddji (Reply 29):
I was told by one of the engineers that the goats are much more effective than robotic lawnmowers (which they tried first).

Haha wow that is quite interesting! Again, raising the irony-

"So what happened to this Ge-90?" ->Plant manager
"oh, one of my cousins got sucked into it!" -> goat

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 34):
This has got to be one of funniest threads on here.

agreed, nice to have some laughs once in a while  
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:01 am

Man, doesn't this just get your goat?

That would be a funny NOTAM on Tower if they got loose "Caution, flock of goats right of runway 32-L, departure end".
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:50 pm

The goats at ORD will be now be on the sex tour list for Al Quaeda.
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.

That should answer any questions about goats on the runway.
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 28):

Correct, between the 14's if you look on google maps.

The other area is just north of the post office and south of the AA cargo building. There are two extremely large weed infested mounds that would be perfect for goat herding.
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:01 pm

Q: Is a sheep a female goat? thanks.

ps: I'm a city kind of guy...
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
Google uses them at their campus. It's actually becoming very popular. It's cheaper, more environmentally friendly, and the goats produce their own fertilizer at the same time as they mow the grass!

But do they code?
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 40):
Q: Is a sheep a female goat? thanks.

No.
Although they are similar species, domesticated sheep and goats are quite different in appearance, personality, and habits.

Sheep:
Male = Ram
Female = Ewe
Young = Lamb

Goats:
Male = Billy
Female = Nanny
Young = Kid

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 31):
It is certainly interesting to note how much people on an aviation forum know about the characteristics of goats.

I was thinking just the opposite... that it was amazing how little people on an aviation forum know about the characteristics of goats, but then I suppose most folks here were raised in the city and haven't been around domestic livestock outside of the occasional trip to a petting zoo.
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:07 pm

This is a great idea, much better than hiring city workers at the cost of $75 an hour or more (that is at least how much the total cost of employing most city workers) or hiring some politically connected contractor to mow the lawn at about the same cost if not more. Safety wise this is a non issue, people do not realize there are deer within O'hare's fenced in area
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...-at-ohare-20120914,0,2055145.story

"Chicago is looking for goats to graze the outer reaches of O'Hare International Airport. And a goat herder too.

Amy Malick is the Aviation Department's point person for sustainability, and she says the city is looking at a pilot program of 30 goats to eat grass and weeds in one, hard-to-mow area.

She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.

Malick adds that the department also worries about pollution produced by mechanical mowers, so they're turning to the four-legged variety.

Atlanta recently started a similar effort, and San Francisco has been using goats for years."

Thanks for posting! Nice to see people looking at new and better ideas, and not being shackled in by thoughts limited to the status quo.
 
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:43 pm

At the Freelandsmuseet outside Copenhagen, basically a replica of 16th/17th century Denmark, there are a lot of small buildings with thatched roofs. rather than use machines to trim the roof, when required a labourer will carry a goat up to the roof and isolate it there. They munch down and basically seem OK with the arrangement. Works for all concerned.

But I like to be innovative: why not take retired Congressmen/women and/or Chicago-area civic politicians and isolate them in this hard to mow area ? Not much stress and free food: when was the last time you heard of a politician turning down something that was free ?  
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Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 1):

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Keep up the good work. Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

I would assume this concern is addressed from within the story (quoted via you):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_goat

"Goats are extremely curious and intelligent...They are also known for escaping their pens. Goats will test fences, either intentionally or simply because they are handy to climb on. If any of the fencing can be spread, pushed over or down, or otherwise be overcome, the goats will escape. Due to their high intelligence, once they have discovered a weakness in the fence, they will exploit it repeatedly."
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 42):
but then I suppose most folks here were raised in the city and haven't been around domestic livestock outside of the occasional trip to a petting zoo.

Well, some of us were raised on a farm.......me on a 288 acre cattle farm about 50 miles west of Chicago. No goats or sheep though......had hogs for awhile, too.
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:22 am

According to the Sun Times today they said the goats would be used on a property east of Mannheim and north of 190 that is owned by the airport. So it's unlikely they'll be wondering around the runways.
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:33 am

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 48):
According to the Sun Times today they said the goats would be used on a property east of Mannheim and north of 190 that is owned by the airport. So it's unlikely they'll be wondering around the runways.

Almost sounds like the employee parking lot or what used to be the employee lot (across Mannheim from the old reserve base).
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