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Lufthansa... Clean Airplanes!

Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:07 pm

Came across this video of a Lufthansa B747-400 taxiing in Osaka... OK, so the video quality is excellent... But damn do those Germans keep their airplanes clean...

Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeBzzTupBNw

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Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:49 pm

LH has one of the cleanest and well maintaned fleets of airliners in the world.
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting Qazar (Thread starter):
Came across this video of a Lufthansa B747-400 taxiing in Osaka... OK, so the video quality is excellent... But damn do those Germans keep their airplanes clean...

Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeBzzTupBNw

Cheers !    

That's a spotless B744!!! Appears to have been delivered fresh from the factory! Germans certainly know how to maintain their aircraft...

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Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:28 pm

LH is an excellent airline. If you haven't flown them you need to get a ticket, incredible IMHO.
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:01 pm

Glad to read positive things about my employer!

The airplanes are indeed well maintained. I am flying the old 744s and their technical status is very good.

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Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:41 pm

its just the opposite of Air France
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:43 pm

I've heard stories about LH's 737s once they moved on to other owners, and it was said that you could eat off the insides of the gear wells.

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Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:26 pm

I had a great trip ORD - MUC - ORD. Great food, nice a346 plane. For $322 r/t was worth every penny
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
I've heard stories about LH's 737s once they moved on to other owners, and it was said that you could eat off the insides of the gear wells.

Many years ago when the old Peoples Express airlines first started up, they bought about 15 or so of LH’s early 737-100’s. I met a maintenance manager for PE at a trade show seminar and I asked him about these old 737’s. He said even though they had about 40,000 to 50,000 hours on them, they were immaculate, and he used the same term, you could eat off of the inside of the wings, that’s how clean they were.

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Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
LH has one of the cleanest and well maintaned fleets of airliners in the world.

KLM also does an excellent job of keeping their aircraft clean, both inside and out. Even their oldest aircraft usually look like new.
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:42 pm

Seems to me that someone only wanted to push that video on YT - this and every other Lufthansa aircrafts are so shiny white.... no need to clean!
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:46 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 5):
its just the opposite of Air France

Beat me to it, I must admit...

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):
Glad to read positive things about my employer!

The airplanes are indeed well maintained. I am flying the old 744s and their technical status is very good.

I wish I could do the same with my employer...   
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:57 pm

the cleanliness of an aircraft tells nothing about the technical status.

look at this filthy Lufthasa Cargo MD11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEHto1hPqAU
those MD11 are as well maintained as the ships of Lufthansa Passage, if not better (>98% technical punctuality). but there are no passengers to complain about dirty aircraft or suggest a bad maintained aircraft.
I bet AF aircraft are in a good shape as well, though they don´t care about exterior cleaning that much
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:07 pm

They've been like that for a long time! Almost forty five years ago I worked for Continental in Tucson where we did some ground work for LH when they came to town for pilot training. Each aircraft, a 707, 727 and 737 all of which I have found on Airliners, were spotless and kept that way throughout their stay. The lower half of the fuselage was kept aluminum back then and I could have shaved in my reflection!
In addition, their work in the pattern was exemplary as well, always courteous, giving way to scheduled aircraft when appropriate and responding to ATC requests quickly and positively. It was great to see and hear them!
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:24 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 12):
I bet AF aircraft are in a good shape as well, though they don´t care about exterior cleaning that much

First positive thing about AF I've been reading for a long time! Thanks  

On a more serious note, I agree with you with the fact that cleanliness of an aircraft and technical status are two very different things.
To share my own story, I've been flying on one of the oldest (if not THE oldest) A320 around; MSN 002 registered F-GFKQ by then. It was a A320-100 (without winglets) and this aircraft has been used by Airbus as a test bed. Even though this bird was 21 years old, the technical status was just amazing. Dirty but technically clean.... To my knowledge, this aircraft is still flying for Airbus currently, after AF got rid of their last -100 series A320.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:21 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):
Glad to read positive things about my employer!

The airplanes are indeed well maintained. I am flying the old 744s and their technical status is very good.

Wilco737

Great airline... I've flown LH many times to Europe and within Europe...

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
LH has one of the cleanest and well maintaned fleets of airliners in the world.

KLM also does an excellent job of keeping their aircraft clean, both inside and out. Even their oldest aircraft usually look like new.

Clearly demonstrated with aged MD11 fleet which is about to be phased out..

Once upon a time you could say same about QF aircraft...

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:27 am

This is what happens when the entire staff of a company takes real pride in the company. It's wonderful to see. I haven't flown LH often, but I've enjoyed every flight I've taken. They are not the most glamorous airline, but they may well be the most professional.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):

This is what happens when the entire staff of a company takes real pride in the company. It's wonderful to see. I haven't flown LH often, but I've enjoyed every flight I've taken. They are not the most glamorous airline, but they may well be the most professional.

Very well said... Very professional indeed...

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):
Very well said... Very professional indeed...

There is that.

And then, there's the simple fact that Germans are more orderly than humans.  
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:14 am

I second that LH excels well beyond keeping spotless aircraft. Their flights feel as professional as one can imagine airline industry to be. Also, being yer average "IT guy" and analyst of systems, I witness how Lufthansa Systems and Consulting entities are proving to be leaders in their own right. With very strong standing in the industry. They aren't the airline, but hey - if they are doing it right here, one might assume they are doing it right in the sky business too.

I only flew AF once (two flights) and managed to notice how dirty the exterior of the planes was. Also, I managed to get a stain on my trousers in a seat at CDG! Woss wrong, it's europe - I didn't see that coming... Maybe in SVO back in 90s, but not in CDG.

But anyway, I wouldn't pick another airline over AF if I had a choice just coz of the dirty fuselage  Smile. Well, if LH and AF offered on same route... I'd go LH.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:31 am

Quoting dairy (Reply 10):
this and every other Lufthansa aircrafts are so shiny white.... no need to clean!

You´re wrong, aircraft - especially long haul - need cleaning, it saves fuel!
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:40 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 5):

Here we go again...  

Just browse the latest AF planes pictures on A.Net and you'll see their planes are as much clean as any other airline out there. Some exceptions apply once in a while, but AF planes are usually shiny white
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:07 am

It's a pleasure to watch the LH birds. I've flown them many times and they are one of my favourite airlines. Have to fly the 747-8i now, as they have started the service from BLR, replacing the 744.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):

Wilco, you no more fly the MD-11Fs?
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting AF185 (Reply 21):
Here we go again...

Just browse the latest AF planes pictures on A.Net and you'll see their planes are as much clean as any other airline out there. Some exceptions apply once in a while, but AF planes are usually shiny white
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWKD9KvdehQ

Sure... 

I've only seen a few AF planes over here in the states and most of them are clean as a whistle, but their 747 fleet has always been extremely dirty by comparison to others...
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting AF185 (Reply 21):
Here we go again...

Just browse the latest AF planes pictures on A.Net and you'll see their planes are as much clean as any other airline out there. Some exceptions apply once in a while, but AF planes are usually shiny white

aaa the good old photoshop is still working  

well I can only judge from what I have seen live, and yeah the aircrafts were usually quite dirty, used AF many times MUC/FRA-CDG-MUC/FRA and from the americas (JFK, LIM, BOG, CCS) to CDG
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:25 am

Actually this thread begs another question. Where does the dirt come from? It's not like planes are operated on gravel runways... is it fumes or liquid leaks... oil etc?
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:37 am

Confirming LH aircrafts are super clean inside-out.
Even their grandpa 737s are still looking young on the inside. They really know how to maintenace the aircrafts.
What a high German standard!
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:41 am

TrentXWB, I am not flying MD11s anymore, I am enjoying the 744 now and soon 748 as well.

How clean an airplane is, doesn't show its technical status as said above. But passengers who are afraid of flying would feel a little more comfortable if the airplane looks nice and shiny instead of full of dirt. It is a psychological thing.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:16 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):
Very well said... Very professional indeed...

There is that.

And then, there's the simple fact that Germans are more orderly than humans.

German engineering  
Quoting Sasha (Reply 25):

Actually this thread begs another question. Where does the dirt come from? It's not like planes are operated on gravel runways... is it fumes or liquid leaks... oil etc?

One word... Air Pollution... Well that's two words...

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:37 am

Great video - I flew on VM myself, back in 2006!

LH really impressed me at the time - A321, A300 and 744. The A300 was the smoothest landing I've ever experienced in an airliner, and the food on all flights was excellent (even for coach!) I really don't remember anything bad about any of the flights.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
This is what happens when the entire staff of a company takes real pride in the company. It's wonderful to see. I haven't flown LH often, but I've enjoyed every flight I've taken. They are not the most glamorous airline, but they may well be the most professional.

Not only are they the most professional, but I find Lufthansa cabin crew very polite and pleasant. I remember when we boarded our flight from FRA to IAD, next to me was a very disgusting passenger who smelled really badly. One of the Lufthansa cabin crew approached me and asked me if I can follow him for a moment. We came to a free seat and he just said: 'I guessed you would not feel comfortable next to that passenger so I found you another seat.''

Now, you do not see that kind of commitment from other airlines! I always fly Lufthansa when I can because they are the best, at least in Europe. (my opinion)
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:52 am

Such a proud looking airplane at the 0:45min mark.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:54 am

Quoting N243NW (Reply 29):
Great video - I flew on VM myself, back in 2006!

LH really impressed me at the time - I really don't remember anything bad about any of the flights.

It's been a while since I flew LH and economy to top it off... The only 2 negatives about LH would be the Y/C product which I believe has been improved is the IFE and Y/C seating...

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting earlyNFF (Reply 20):
You´re wrong, aircraft - especially long haul - need cleaning, it saves fuel!

Well, I heard that too. So I sat down and did the math with all the informations I could have gathered for AF.
And it appeared to me that the fuel gain of a newly washed B773-ER is not worth the amount of water wasted, both money and eco-friendly speaking.
To have some serious aerodynamic effect, the aircraft should have more than 40% of its surface to be dirty.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:51 am

I flew SAS to CPH a few weeks back and the A319 outboard was grubby outside but perhaps cleverly the SAS colour is a very light grey, but close up you can see the streaks and strains. Then while I was waiting to come back I made a point of looking at other SAS planes and was quite surprised by how few clean ones I saw, indeed the A321 back to LHR was even worse than the A319. I was rather surprised by this and SAS to be honest, then if you need to save money, washing a plane can become a less frequent event.

Swiss always seem to keep their fleet in a spotless condition too, which considering their pretty much all the white, it must be quite a task...otherwise maybe it's the clean mountain air over Switzerland that helps!

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:57 am

Another AF bird that needs a bath
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8B9HmvSipA
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:14 am

Quoting TrentXWB (Reply 22):
Have to fly the 747-8i now, as they have started the service from BLR, replacing the 744.

A colleague of mine just travelled to the US, and had the choice of booking either LH or AF ex BLR. I spent a week lobbying him to take the shiny new 748i, and then he went and booked AF because it was marginally cheaper. Some people, I tell you..  

As for LH, my love story goes back to my first international flight, BLR-FRA on work. I was nervous, and so when the drinks trolley came to my row and I was asked what I wanted to drink, I asked them if they had any beer on board. The male F/A pretended to be insulted, knelt by my seat and said, "Sir, no self-respecting German aircraft flies without beer on board". I've been hooked ever since .. both to LH and the Warsteiner beer I was served   
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:26 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
And then, there's the simple fact that Germans are more orderly than humans.

   True- and I am always shocked, in which state other flag carrier operate their fleet (like AZ their MD80's or BA their B767!).

But I have to admit that I was well surprised to see Southwest Airlines fleet in an equal top notch condition! I just read in their inflight magazine, that Southwest Airlines is having special trained staff (can't remember their official description), for cleanliness inspection and supervision.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:35 am

A great Airline whose normal standards are head and shoulders above most flying the Queen of the skies.


What more can you say.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:16 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 27):
TrentXWB, I am not flying MD11s anymore, I am enjoying the 744 now and soon 748 as well.

Well, congrats & enjoy the 744 and wish to see you soon on a 748i (hopefully on the FRA-BLR-FRA sector).

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 36):
A colleague of mine just travelled to the US, and had the choice of booking either LH or AF ex BLR. I spent a week lobbying him to take the shiny new 748i, and then he went and booked AF because it was marginally cheaper. Some people, I tell you..

I'd have done anything to get on that new bird.
My first international (for that matter, my first air travel) was on an LH 343 from BLR to FRA. But I enjoyed the flight thoroughly and it was smooth all along. After this, I've flown BLR-FRA-BLR and BOM-MUC-BOM a lot of times with LH and still prefer them to any other carrier in these sectors.
As wilco737 mentioned, I think it helps people with fear of flying, if you have a clean aircraft. Many people tend to relate the maintenance of a flight (or any other machine) to it's external appearance.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:16 am

Quoting euroflyer (Reply 33):
And it appeared to me that the fuel gain of a newly washed B773-ER is not worth the amount of water wasted, both money and eco-friendly speaking.

Obviously you don't have a clue how LH washes their aircraft. They actually do this by hand, with cleaning towels.
I have seen this being done on the 744's in the hangars in FRA. It is time consuming, but happens during the regular hangar visits of the aircraft so the aircraft does not have to be around longer than just for the maintenance. Really an eyeopener to me in such a automated world we live in today.
From your statement we can conclude that AF does the wash-up with high pressure & water?
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:26 am

LH are an excellent airline. Also, their ground handling is brilliant - Munich has to be one of my favourite airports. Apart from the availability of good German beer, pretzels and sausage, the free espresso and newspapers are great.

I don't agree with those who say the cleanliness of an aircraft is irrelevant to its technical condition. In my mind, a filthy a/c is *possibly* reflective of a general attitude of not taking care. For sure this _might_ not be true, but impressions are important.

Maybe it's just me, but when my own aircraft is dirty, I want it clean. I'm finicky about all of it, inside and out.

As for LH again, I like it that they have little 'technical' interviews with employees in their inflight magazine. The last one I saw was about their apprentice program. The enthusiasm of the employees was infectious. I found myself smiling and thinking, I'd like these guys working on the aircraft I am sitting in.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:48 pm

Quoting DALCE (Reply 40):
They actually do this by hand, with cleaning towels.

Do you honestly think that even with hand washing procedures that LH has established few years ago, they don't need any water ? FYI, LH technik uses 13,000l of water to wash their 380's. Of course, it's recycled and partially reused (as well as for many other carriers) but about 1,500l of new water has to be added at each washing.

AF new washing procedure "Ecoshine" uses mopping as well but requests far less water.
For a T7, they now only need 100l of water instead of 10,000l before...

So yes, AF as well as LH uses water to clean their aircrafts
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 27):
I am not flying MD11s anymore, I am enjoying the 744 now and soon 748 as well

what a downgrade :P

Quoting Sasha (Reply 25):
Where does the dirt come from?

dust in the atmosphere and on the airports, there are building sites which produce a lot of dirt. bird poo, insects, rubber from the tires, carbon dust from the brakes, grease from the landing gear and the flaps/slats/control surfaces, oil, hydraulic fluid, dirty water/coffee from the drain mast, dirty fingers near the door handles, exhaust gases... there is so much dirt around the aircraft and coming from the aircraft itself
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting euroflyer (Reply 42):
AF new washing procedure "Ecoshine" uses mopping as well but requests far less water.
For a T7, they now only need 100l of water instead of 10,000l before...
Quoting euroflyer (Reply 33):
Well, I heard that too. So I sat down and did the math with all the informations I could have gathered for AF.
And it appeared to me that the fuel gain of a newly washed B773-ER is not worth the amount of water wasted, both money and eco-friendly speaking.

Are you saying that the fuel gain by washing is less than the cost of 100l of water? I have no idea, but I'd be interested to know how you calculated or estimated the fuel gain.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:32 pm

I mean, German factories are spotless, so having clean aircraft is a no brainer!

Still waiting to fly on LH.. every chance I got basically failed!
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting Unflug (Reply 44):
Are you saying that the fuel gain by washing is less than the cost of 100l of water? I have no idea, but I'd be interested to know how you calculated or estimated the fuel gain.

In my first comment I was talking about old procedures (before Ecoshine) which has been modified few months ago and for which there is plenty of data on internet.
I can send you in private message the brief calculations on dirt drag coefficient and over-consumption of fuel.

In the meantime, you can not consider just the amount of water used to dismiss my theory.
100l of water and hand mopping for hours have a serious cost but I really don't know if this new procedure, that I just heard about, is worth the induced fuel gain. It may be. I need to find information about the exact time of washing in order to determinte it.
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RE: Lufthansa... Clean Airplanes!

Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 36):
"Sir, no self-respecting German aircraft flies without beer on board". I've been hooked ever since .. both to LH and the Warsteiner beer I was served

And they serve the beer in bottles, not in cans even though the bottles must be much heavier. A nice detail highlighting the German beer culture. Haven't come across any other airline that does that.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 30):
Not only are they the most professional, but I find Lufthansa cabin crew very polite and pleasant. I remember when we boarded our flight from FRA to IAD, next to me was a very disgusting passenger who smelled really badly. One of the Lufthansa cabin crew approached me and asked me if I can follow him for a moment. We came to a free seat and he just said: 'I guessed you would not feel comfortable next to that passenger so I found you another seat.''

Totally agree. It is wonderful to experience true professionalism of the well trained crews of LH.

Flew CDG-MUC-HEL a little while ago. Also the experience of CDG Terminal 1 and MUC differs like night and day. They were like 40 years apart. As stated already many times, the LH planes look very fresh inside too. One gets the feeling the planes are quite new even though some of the A320's must be already fairly old.

Nevertheless, I have booked HEL-FRA-JNB for next February. Can't wait to test the A380! LH is definitely my favourite airline!
 
skipness1E
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RE: Lufthansa... Clean Airplanes!

Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:52 pm

The funniest thing I saw at CDG 2E recently was a filthy B744 where they had washed half of it and stopped! It really looked a mess. Air France do have a lot of clean short haul Airbuses though, the dirt is more noticeable on the long haul fleet.
BA are also much cleaner on the outside than they used to be, sadly a shiny B744 is likely to have a less than new interior in anything other than First.
 
holzmann
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RE: Lufthansa... Clean Airplanes!

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:32 pm

My first internship of my life was with Lufthansa and now that my work involves German-American relations, I fly IAD-FRA quite frequently. I have stated several times that the 747-8 offers the most comfortable transatlantic experience. In summary, I find myself to be quite loyal to DLH as well.

This entire thread reminds me of Walter Isaacson's biography of the late Steve Jobs. Steve's father taught him as a child that quality begins from the inside-out. What the customer doesn't see is as important as what the customer does see. One is a reflection of the other.

If only more companies lived by this principle.

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