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SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:44 pm

Later this year when OO starts operating for AA out of LAX, They will be operating SLC-LAX for three different airlines, Delta, United and American.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:15 pm

Does OO have mx, training, etc. facilities at SLC? I figured it might be similar to everyone funneling various Republic brands as regionals to CMH with the base and mx facility there, for example.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Does OO have mx, training, etc. facilities at SLC? I figured it might be similar to everyone funneling various Republic brands as regionals to CMH with the base and mx facility there, for example.

Yes. The hangars and training are on the same plot of land, and can be seen from the terminal.

SLC is the largest MX base, and is a large crew base (but not the largest anymore.)
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:15 pm

Also, I should note that based on how the schedules are laid out currently, all but 1 flight LAX-SAN flight will be OO. That lone flight will be an AE CR7.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting ridgid727 (Thread starter):

Later this year when OO starts operating for AA out of LAX, They will be operating SLC-LAX for three different airlines, Delta, United and American.

That is crazy. All three alliances as well. ...and people say there is no difference in product between airlines, LOL.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
That is crazy. All three alliances as well. ...and people say there is no difference in product between airlines, LOL.

Staying within the scope of the thread here, if you've flown SLC-ORD on both DLC or UAX in the recent past, one would certainly note the difference in product---even on the same regional.

Sure, you get a cold meal in first on DLC, but it's still a meal.  
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Staying within the scope of the thread here, if you've flown SLC-ORD on both DLC or UAX in the recent past, one would certainly note the difference in product---even on the same regional.

Sure, you get a cold meal in first on DLC, but it's still a meal.

Not to mention wi-fi on Delta - something that United nor American features (or has announced plans to feature) on their regional jet fleet.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:43 pm

AA's strategy ex-LAX is very interesting. I mostly see a mix of cr-7/9 operating SLC-LAX for both DCI and UAX, but it looks like AA will try competing with OO cr-2s on many LAX west coast routes? LAX-SAN/FAT/BFL/PHX/LAS would be OK on off peak routes, but they really need larger RJs for their west coast regional routes especially since its roughly the same cost to operate a cr-7/9 or a cr-2.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
Yes. The hangars and training are on the same plot of land, and can be seen from the terminal.

SLC is the largest MX base, and is a large crew base (but not the largest anymore.)

Thanks! I figured OO at SLC had something to do with that.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 8):
Thanks! I figured OO at SLC had something to do with that.

I think the bigger issue here is that OO is handling [almost] all regional flying hubbed west of DEN.

QX still flies Q400s for AS
MQ will still do 70 flying for AA out of LAX
There are some sub-30 seat bit players (Great lakes, Seaport, Kenmore).

Other than that OO has the rest of the west coast pretty much sewn up.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 7):
but they really need larger RJs for their west coast regional routes especially since its roughly the same cost to operate a cr-7/9 or a cr-2.

You have to remember, with OO losing the CR2 flying from both DL and FL, they have a bunch of those torture tubes hanging around not doing much flying. This means that OO doesn't have a lot of wiggle room with the aircraft that they have contractually obligated to their fleet for other airline flying. That leaves the abandoned CR2s to work with AA.

The statement I quoted above is technically incorrect as the CR2s cost so much more to operate than the nextgen CR7/9s. But with very little options AA has, it is technically stuck with the CR2.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting xjramper (Reply 10):
The statement I quoted above is technically incorrect as the CR2s cost so much more to operate than the nextgen CR7/9s. But with very little options AA has, it is technically stuck with the CR2.

Actually, no, the CRJ-200s cost less to operate, but their CASM is higher.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:27 pm

The same will be true for SMF-LAX and I imagine a few other mid-sized western cities.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:37 pm

It is kind of crazy but its a crazy industry
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
SLC is the largest MX base, and is a large crew base (but not the largest anymore.)

What is the largest crew base for OO? LAX?
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:34 am

anyone know of any city pairs where OO will operate for US, AA, DL & UA or even AS and 3 others?
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 11):

Higher CASM= cost more per mile to fly=higher operating cost.
Its cheaper to fly a 70 seater with 50 passengers than a full 50 seater.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:08 am

Clearly branding matters the next time people say NO its skywest not delta that operates slc-xyz etc etc.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:56 am

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 16):
Higher CASM= cost more per mile to fly=higher operating cost.
Its cheaper to fly a 70 seater with 50 passengers than a full 50 seater.

You mis-understand me. On a block-for-block basis, the -700 is NOT cheaper to operate than the -200. When you compare CASM to CASM, yes it is.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:20 pm

I'm pretty sure that SLC is in fact the largest crew base still. DEN would be the next largest base, but still at least 80 crew members less per pilot seat than SLC.
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
You mis-understand me. On a block-for-block basis, the -700 is NOT cheaper to operate than the -200. When you compare CASM to CASM, yes it is.

CASM is what my original post was talking about. Obviously if you can't hold as much fuel and have to pay one less F/A, it will be cheaper to operate. The overall cost (CASM) is much more expensive for the CR2 over the CR7/9
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:30 am

AA elites are not going to be thrilled with those OO CR2s. Will AE continue to operate LAX-SJC-LAX? I hope AA decides to add some larger regional jets, they definitely could use them to stay competitive, especially with DLC.
 
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RE: SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines

Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:40 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 21):

AA elites are not going to be thrilled with those OO CR2s

All pretty short flights though.........