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Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:48 pm

Interesting to see that AA canceled (in my opinion) a much higher number of flights today than normal. The reasons for the cancellations would be one of two things when looked up in SABRE. 1) "Unable to crew" or 2) "Aircraft out of service". There seemed to be quite a few MD80 cancellations at DFW due to equipment. In a large number of markets out of DFW today there were cancellations. Curious as to the timing with the imposed pilot terms. (That and the mechanics just barely passing their contract).
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:57 pm

As of 4pm Central they had 98 cancels - majority at DFW (31).

Go figure...
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting ozark1 (Thread starter):
(That and the mechanics just barely passing their contract).

Not to mention 1,100 of them about to receive furlough notice.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:05 pm

The situation here at AA is going downhill fast. I am experiencing this first hand from the cockpit. I as said on a different thread, AA management, the UCC and APA better get together and fix this. The alternate is becoming more and more a possibility and it won't be pretty.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:32 pm

Shouldn't have pissed off the pilots!!
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:01 pm

Expect the same at Eagle once our TA inevitably passes. Not saying I condone it at all, but it is what it is.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:17 pm

Wow! I just post this too... It is crazy the amount of flight delays and cancelations out of Miami, especially on the 757 fleet... Flights with up to 12 hour delays and then cancelations because of maintenance and crew delays... I am flying AA on Wednesday and I am worried about what will happen, as I have a tight meeting schedule at MIA... Let's hope for the best!
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 3):
The situation here at AA is going downhill fast. I am experiencing this first hand from the cockpit. I as said on a different thread, AA management, the UCC and APA better get together and fix this. The alternate is becoming more and more a possibility and it won't be pretty.

Fix what? Today's issues? Are you saying that this is an unofficial labor action?
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
As of 4pm Central they had 98 cancels - majority at DFW (31).

Not to be too picky, but majority would be 50%+1 (50 flights). The largest share (31) was at DFW.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting ozark1 (Thread starter):
Curious as to the timing with the imposed pilot terms.

Your curiosity is not without merit.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
As of 4pm Central they had 98 cancels - majority at DFW (31).

What is normal? Out of 3,400 daily flights, .003% cancelling doesn't seem outrageous.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting Av8tor (Reply 4):
Shouldn't have pissed off the pilots!!

Perfect, lets take it out on the passenger who has nothing to do with this mess .... If this spirals out of control they might be looking at having no job instead.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:32 pm

I agree, both my S80 flights this weekend were late for very questionable reasons. Taxi times @ DFW were extremely slow, I could jog faster to the active. I hope the APA doesn't plan to keep this up, its only going to hurt the passengers, and their future employment. If they don't watch what they are doing they might being using "CACTUS" callsign alot!


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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:33 pm

IDK if its what you think... UA is cancelling a huge number of ORD flights because of weather and an inbound ground stop was in effect for a while.

It could simply be that planes aren't getting around the system right now.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 10):
What is normal? Out of 3,400 daily flights, .003% cancelling doesn't seem outrageous.

All at DFW does.

Quoting n757tw (Reply 12):
If they don't watch what they are doing they might being using "CACTUS" callsign alot!

I think that's what they want.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:39 pm

DFW Weather Today:

KDFW 172253Z 04006KT 10SM FEW050 BKN060 27/16 A2981 RMK AO2 SLP085 T02670156

KDFW 172321Z 1800/1906 01006KT P6SM SCT050
FM181200 01016KT P6SM SCT040 BKN120
FM182200 03008KT P6SM SKC



My equipment LAS-DFW, routed DFW-MCO-DFW-LAS. The MCO-DFW portion was ontime, and then sat in DFW for an extra hour this afternoon. No equipment change.


My outbound on Friday DFW-LAS, made it all the way to 31L, spooled up... stopped... rolled off the active, and back to the gate. No deplanning only MX for 90 minutes. Then back to 31L.


I didn't connect the dots until today that the contracts might be in play here.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting n757tw (Reply 15):
My outbound on Friday DFW-LAS, made it all the way to 31L, spooled up... stopped... rolled off the active, and back to the gate. No deplanning only MX for 90 minutes. Then back to 31L.


I didn't connect the dots until today that the contracts might be in play here.

Something tells me this didn't have anything to do with the contracts. Would they really go to the runway and turn around when they knew something was wrong? I'd be the first to point out something fishy with unions, but that doesn't seem like a disgruntled pilot to me.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:59 pm

And average day is under 20 cancels. Usually way under.

As of 6pm, AA is up to 106 cancels out of 1891 scheduled flights.

In comparison today as of the same time, UA has 9 cancels, WN 6, US 2, and DL 0.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:28 am

AA says yes they are having operational problems - they blame it on....
“a number of factors, including higher than expected pilot retirements and sick levels as well as an increase in unscheduled out-of-service aircraft.”

AA also says it intends to reduce its schedule for the remainder of September and for all of October.

Story:
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...n-late-flights-cancellations.html/

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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:29 am

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 17):

Fix what?

Seriously?

Yes, seriously. They are working to fix their bankruptcy. They are trying to fix their contract/labor issues. Obviously, the pilots are unhappy at their solutions.

What would be your suggestion?

My suggestion is that labor unions should not engage in illegal labor actions. The row is not with your passengers.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:29 am

Angry pilots calling in sick...
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:42 am

My dad had his flight cancelled on Saturday out of MIA due to lack of crew. He flew to IAH for some personal reasons taking advantage of the re-booking process. He was then supposed o fly today IAH-DFW-GUA but his IAH-DFW leg was delayed, so they sent him to HOU. When he got to DFW, his flight to GUA was delayed for an hour. What is going on at AA?!
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
AA also says it intends to reduce its schedule for the remainder of September and for all of October.

Great, so now I have to wonder if my upcoming flight on Sept 29th is going to be axed or not. Ugh.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:05 am

Ugghhh. I agree this is going to get uglier as the year goes on and there's not much the company can do right now except decrease it's schedules. If they were smart, they should start decreasing their holiday schedules too with these actions. Nothing going to bring down and airline faster than having you name plastered all over the news because families aren't making it to their holiday destinations.

Well, I guess we'll see how hellbent AA's pilots are on destroying the company and how AA management decides to deal with everything. Nobody want's to see this end badly for either group but I think if the pilots force AA's hand then it's not unreasonable for a US/AA merger to occur within BK and if that were to occur than I wouldn't be surprise to see DP and his gang use the 1113c to their full advantage.

Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope I am) but I don't think it's going to be in any AA employee group's interest to have a tie-up/merger/aquisition move forward during BK with their contracts voided.

It may be a little early, but does anyone know when the schedule changes are going to be loaded into the system?

[Edited 2012-09-17 18:28:58]
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:39 am

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 3):
The situation here at AA is going downhill fast. I am experiencing this first hand from the cockpit. I as said on a different thread, AA management, the UCC and APA better get together and fix this. The alternate is becoming more and more a possibility and it won't be pretty.

I just hope it doesn't cause anything drastic   

This is why the merger shouldn't happen. US doesn't have the capabilities of fixing this mess.

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I hope it gets fixed as much as the next guy but in all seriousness it's nuts.

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As of 4pm Central they had 98 cancels - majority at DFW (31).

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Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:48 am

This weekend my return flight from DEN to ORD was canceled on Sunday evening. I got the notification 9 hours before the flight and they re-booked me on a return this morning (Monday) at 6 a.m. ... that normally would not be so bad, but this is the second time it happened. The first was this past May. I was booked on an evening flight from DEN to ORD, and it cancelled. We then had to wait for the 6 a.m. the next day ... talk about deja vu! At least the airline put us up in a hotel and paid for our food and limo each time.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:50 am

If this really is intentional actions by the unions shame on them. Figure out , complain, negotiate but no need to hurt the airline and most importantly hurt the customers. I am flying AA in about 3 weeks. I have been a loyal AA flyer but every year things seem to get worse and worse. If I have a bad experience in my next trip I will have to seriously consider staying so loyal to them.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:55 am

I suspect if the trims are made this week and can go out with the Thursday load, they will be updated in GDS this Saturday night.

If not, a week after.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:01 am

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 24):
I wouldn't be surprise to see DP and his gang use the 1113c to their full advantage.

American has already used the 1113 process to their advantage, with court approval last week to void the pilot contract. There isn't anything more DP could do on that front. OTOH, all three labor groups at AA have already signed contracts with US should they merge within bankruptcy, which is why the unions are supporting the merger. While still concessionary, the contracts signed with DP are far better than what AA offered its own employees.

As for the cancellations, I'm hearing just as many flights are being cancelled for mechanicals as lack of crew. So it's not just the pilots.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
My suggestion is that labor unions should not engage in illegal labor actions.

The APA hasn't engaged in any illegal job action. In fact, they regularly denounce such action, reminding its membership it's illegal at this point. That doesn't stop individuals from taking matters into their own hands.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:06 am

Geez, I sure hope no AA pilots are unprofessional enough to engage in this behavior (legal action or not....) Maybe AA will make it out just fine, maybe they'll shut down no matter what, but AA is so fragile right now all this ridiculous behavior might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. There is that certain point of doom... how close is AA to it?

Management screwed you. We get it. You're pissed. Yeah we know it. What's the point of all these immature actions? To show us how angry you are? I think management knows you're pissed. All you're doing is weakening the company, emphasis on the YOU (pilots taking these actions)

I really do hope AA pulls through... I know an AA captain. But it boggles my mind to see the pilots resort to these actions (assuming they are) even if they are "mad"

Edit: This is all assuming there is illegal pilot action... guess I should not be so hasty

[Edited 2012-09-17 19:14:16]
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:08 am

Sad, Sad, Sad! No one will win except the competition, Wall Street and the lawyers. I have a daughter who used to fly for AA, and I have no interest in bashing the pilots.

Yes AA has an older fleet, but they have also had 1st rate maintenance, so that should not be a major issue. When looking at the number of cancels compared to the competition, something seems to be going on.

As a side note, flew SAT-DAL-SAT today (9/17) on WN. Fligbhts were on time and the WN folks were pleasant and professional as usual. Walking out of the terminal at 7:30 PM, an AA MD-80 was taking off at full power, the noise was incredible. I honestly was wondering if that level of power was needed, and if this had something to do with the pilot contracts. And I was not even aware at that moment of the issues presented by the OP.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:19 am

Quoting n757tw (Reply 15):
DFW Weather Today:

KDFW 172253Z 04006KT 10SM FEW050 BKN060 27/16 A2981 RMK AO2 SLP085 T02670156

KDFW 172321Z 1800/1906 01006KT P6SM SCT050
FM181200 01016KT P6SM SCT040 BKN120
FM182200 03008KT P6SM SKC

Is there something wrong with this weather, or were you just making the notion that the WX was good and shouldnt have had all these issues..??
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:27 am

People don't realize how many favors pilots do for the company (waiting to write things up until at a mx station, coming in on a day off, overlooking minor discrepancies and so on) on a constant basis.

Screw the pilots... they stop doing favors. 100% legal and their management are a bunch of fools if they want to impose horrid working conditions and expect to continue running a reliable operation.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:31 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 33):
Screw the pilots... they stop doing favors. 100% legal and their management are a bunch of fools if they want to impose horrid working conditions and expect to continue running a reliable operation.

Again, that will: 1: waste AA's money and 2: reinforce the excruciatingly obvious fact that "the pilots are mad." I'm not an AA pilot, so it's easier said I suppose, but really, don't the AA pilots realize that they are walking on thin ice? Whether they're 100% right, 100% wrong, or somewhere in the middle, when the ice breaks, they're going down
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:34 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 34):
Again, that will: 1: waste AA's money and 2: reinforce the excruciatingly obvious fact that "the pilots are mad." I'm not an AA pilot, so it's easier said I suppose, but really, don't the AA pilots realize that they are walking on thin ice? Whether they're 100% right, 100% wrong, or somewhere in the middle, when the ice breaks, they're going down

Going down to where? A merger with USair? They obviously would prefer that and have zero love for a company that has repeatedly screwed them.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:48 am

This is a short term problem.

AA/APA must return to section 6 and negotiate a contract. If either side chooses not too, the 5 bil will eventually run out and AA can close shop. So, as I said, its a short term problem any way you look at it.

AA also contributed part of the cancellations to high pilot retirements. And almost 1/2 of the cancellations today were due to maintenance, so stop already with "its all the pilots fault"

AA ORD

Actually, MORE than 1/2 the cancellations today were mechanical. 61 were maintenance, 47 were crew related.

[Edited 2012-09-17 19:52:00]
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting traindoc (Reply 31):
AA MD-80 was taking off at full power, the noise was incredible. I honestly was wondering if that level of power was needed, and if this had something to do with the pilot contracts. And I was not even aware at that moment of the issues presented by the OP.

Full power?? How do you know this? Those planes are loud at takeoff whether it is full power or not. They were using takeoff power not full power.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:23 am

The whole situation is disgraceful.

"Actually, MORE than 1/2 the cancellations today were mechanical. 61 were maintenance, 47 were crew related."

By what metric is either measurement good?

Pilots and mechanics are getting screwed. In the case of the pilots, it is more recent. If you just lost your pension, took a pay cut, and saw an RFP for flying up to 88 seats go out, you would be pissed too.

I know many of you on here are concerned about upcoming trips...employees are concerned about upcoming mortgage payments.

While job actions such as this are not going to bring back pensions or lost pay, they are employees way of sticking it to "the man" after the harsh new realities of the BK process have come home to effect them directly.

It is a natural human reaction and will likely pass in time
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 36):
AA also contributed part of the cancellations to high pilot retirements. And almost 1/2 of the cancellations today were due to maintenance, so stop already with "its all the pilots fault"

You do know that much of that is due to the flight crews pencil-whipping overblown maintenance issues, right? A lot of mx groundings are due to crew preference.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:37 am

I flew recently on an MD-80 from DFW to EWR, I left an hour late because MX crew had to bring in a part from the hangar. I arrived in EWR one hour behind schedule. This was that day, Mon Sept 17th.

I was going to post a separate thread as follows, AA 762 in DFW on 09-17-12, but I'll write it here:

On that day, when waiting at gate A36, I saw a 767-200 (reg N329AA) docking in at gate A34. I knew this had to be an equipment swap because normally American doesn't fly the 762 anymore out of DFW. The 762s at AA see only JFK, LAX and SFO, and also MIA but only 1x daily. Anyone who works for AA or is an AA insider knows what happened? I imagine it was probably coming from and going back to LAX, swapping with a 757.

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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 35):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 34):
Again, that will: 1: waste AA's money and 2: reinforce the excruciatingly obvious fact that "the pilots are mad." I'm not an AA pilot, so it's easier said I suppose, but really, don't the AA pilots realize that they are walking on thin ice? Whether they're 100% right, 100% wrong, or somewhere in the middle, when the ice breaks, they're going down

Going down to where? A merger with USair? They obviously would prefer that and have zero love for a company that has repeatedly screwed them.

I misread your post (my apologies) but my stance against this pilot action remains the same... it is damaging to the company and "going down" could very well mean liquidation or cutting up the airline's assets (which is just as bad for the pilots)
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 40):
I was going to post a separate thread as follows, AA 762 in DFW on 09-17-12, but I'll write it here:

On that day, when waiting at gate A36, I saw a 767-200 (reg N329AA) docking in at gate A34. I knew this had to be an equipment swap because normally American doesn't fly the 762 anymore out of DFW. The 762s at AA see only JFK, LAX and SFO, and also MIA but only 1x daily. Anyone who works for AA or is an AA insider knows what happened? I imagine it was probably coming from and going back to LAX, swapping with a 757.

Today N329AA flew AAL9245 (LAX-DFW) at the same flight times as AAL2422 would have flown. AAL2422 would have been a B763 but XCLD. Ship 329 then flew AAL1142/AAL1145 (DFW-BOS-DFW).

Additionally, it is common about once a month (every other month) to see a B762 fly LAX-DFW-TUL to rotate into MX and then TUL-DFW-LAX.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:07 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 33):
Screw the pilots... they stop doing favors. 100% legal and their management are a bunch of fools if they want to impose horrid working conditions and expect to continue running a reliable operation.


If the pilots actions are what we say they are then tactics and behavior like this will leave no jobs and no airline.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 38):
I know many of you on here are concerned about upcoming trips...employees are concerned about upcoming mortgage payments.

While job actions such as this are not going to bring back pensions or lost pay, they are employees way of sticking it to "the man" after the harsh new realities of the BK process have come home to effect them directly.


Ok, so if they want to be able to get paid they need to do their job correctly no? "Sticking it to the man" will only hurt everyone involved.

Does it help the pilots that I and other FFs may consider no longer being loyal to AA if their product continues to be under performing?
Of course not, that only hurts the pilots and everyone else at the airline.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:07 am

.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
AA also says it intends to reduce its schedule for the remainder of September and for all of October.

How soon will the schedule changes be loaded into the computer system?

I already had to deal with AA dropping its 12:40 departure out of BOS for ORD on 10/14. If they decide to drop the 10:15 departure and make me wait until 2:30, I won't be happy.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 29):
As for the cancellations, I'm hearing just as many flights are being cancelled for mechanicals as lack of crew. So it's not just the pilots.

As stated above, most of us realize that some MX issues need to be addressed immediately while other can be defered. It's not secret that these legal actions have been taken by pilots in the past.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 29):
American has already used the 1113 process to their advantage, with court approval last week to void the pilot contract. There isn't anything more DP could do on that front. OTOH, all three labor groups at AA have already signed contracts with US should they merge within bankruptcy, which is why the unions are supporting the merger. While still concessionary, the contracts signed with DP are far better than what AA offered its own employees.

Well DP/Horton can still do a lot of damage to the pilots with the 1113 process. The biggest one which could be the coup-d'etat if AA management is pushed out would be to throw out the pilots pensions. Then the DP the "white knight" would ride in with the newly pre-approved pilot contract which would be nothing compared to the financial obligations they would have had if the pilot's pensions weren't wiped off the books.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 38):
Pilots and mechanics are getting screwed. In the case of the pilots, it is more recent. If you just lost your pension, took a pay cut, and saw an RFP for flying up to 88 seats go out, you would be pissed too.

I thought AA aleady stated that they did not put an RFP out of anything above 79 seats and that they had no intention of putting out anything more than 79 seats at this time.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:11 am

Its been quite bad at my station for the last week or so. Every day for roughly the past week at least one of our MD-80's (out of 3 daily) from DFW has been late, with most of them being at least an hour late. Almost all were because of crew or "maintenance." By "maintenance," I mean the cockpit crew being hard-asses and having us call contract maintenance to get something written up or fixed that is normally MEL'ed.
Today, 9/17 was the worst its been at my station so far with our kickoff to DFW being late because of "maintenance," our mid afternoon turn arriving about 30 minutes late due to crew & then coming back to the gate after being pushed out due to a maintenance (non) issue, and then finally our evening turn arriving/departing 1.5 hours late due to the same crap. And of course our RON is running an hour late due to crew. Something better give or its going to get U G L Y. I hope we won't be witnessing a second coming of Eastern Airlines (or should I say its demise).

Quoting American 767 (Reply 40):
On that day, when waiting at gate A36, I saw a 767-200 (reg N329AA) docking in at gate A34.

A quick check on Sabre revealed it was doing a BOS (flt1142/1145) turn so it indeed appears to be a 757 substitution.

[Edited 2012-09-17 21:16:25]
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:04 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 46):
Something better give or its going to get U G L Y. I hope we won't be witnessing a second coming of Eastern Airlines (or should I say its demise).

Mgmt could realize that its employees are humans instead of numbers... that would make a major change.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:33 am

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 10):
What is normal? Out of 3,400 daily flights, .003% cancelling doesn't seem outrageous.

You may need to buy a new calculator. 98 flights cancelled out of 3,400 is very nearly 3%.
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 48):
You may need to buy a new calculator.

Ugh--math. Unfortunately, no calculator to blame on this one.
 
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RE: Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:11 pm

Ok, so to go off on a tangent, where are the consumers, airports and politicians who allowed themselves to be held hostage to the great fiasco?
Who is throwing barbs at DFW authorities for allowing their airport to be almost solely the domain of AA, ditto for MIA, at least in a couple other area's ORD and JFK the consumer base has multiple options to accomodate their travel needs.
Competition is always best, even if limited, did the authorities who foster this dominance really do their clients a service in what is now the long run?

Yes AA management and it pilots are in a cat fight, and the management and it puppet masters (creditors) are humans just like the pilots and can get pissed too, so really, they could let the cash on hand dwindle to the point of switching from Chpt.11 to Chpt.7, the big question, is there anything legal to force the merger on the existing creditors? Everyone is already loosing money which over time can be recouped, but loosing face, that's another story.

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