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MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:46 pm

Looks like there are going to be some moves starting at MKE. Delta is moving to D

http://www.jsonline.com/business/del...tion-center-vs6u0c2-170337526.html
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:05 pm

Wonder if any new service is in the works?
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:23 pm

Have not heard about any news about new service, but I have heard that once Delta moves over to D, United will follow and E will be torn down. I guess they will have enough gates with out E, and MKE will probably never be a hub again but I hope they are not shooting themselves in the foot by tearing an entire concourse down.
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:41 pm

Funny...so DL will have been in all three concourses in the course of around five years or less. (I don't remember exactly when they moved from C to E, but it was after the DL-NW merger.)

I always thought the retro (old) architecture on E was nifty, but operationally, it makes a lot more sense to consolidate all airport ops. into fewer concourses. The security checkpoint at E could get quite backed up at times when two or three flights happened to leave around the same time. I was there a few weeks ago, and a MSP, LGA, ATL, and DTW flight each were all leaving within 5-10 minutes of each other. It was a little hectic.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:53 pm

This is a smart move for both MKE and DL. Not sure how I feel about tearing down Concourse E, but it probably makes more financial sense to tear the concourse down than the utility costs to keep it running when nobody is using it. It's also the most outdated of the three concourses.
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:04 pm

Just looked at the MKE map (as I have never been there before. I wonder if they would consider renumbering the gates so they make sense.. I don't see 1-8 or 26 and call them Terminal 1 and Terminal 2
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:11 pm

From this source F9 is moving to E though. Also dosnt UA partially use concourse E?
http://m.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/#/articles/view/page_9383112

I think the best bet for MKE is to have DL, UA, AC and F9 in D and have WN/FL, AA and US in C and just demolish E.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:04 pm

So has UA made up it's mind which concourse it wants? Either they stay in C with AC or they move to E and either take AC with them or leave AC in C.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:09 pm

No news on UAL but Air Canada would move with them should they choose to move everything to E. Wonder which gates on D Delta will be taking.

Anyone know have they replaced the jetways on the 32-36 gates? I know that 30 was replaced earlier in the year but 32-36 were still the original's.
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:51 pm

I loved the E gate rotunda when I flew for NWA. I am assuming it was added in the mid/late 60s/early 70s as the architect seemed to be popular with airport terminal designs at the time (LAS T1 ,old IND, old ATL, old DTW F gates, old PIT). Very cool retro style but not too functional in an era of RJs mixed with mainline aircraft.

If the do raze the MKE E gates (and LAS T1) I guess this will leave DCA with that type of airside style in the USA.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):
I think the best bet for MKE is to have DL, UA, AC and F9 in D and have WN/FL, AA and US in C and just demolish E.

Usually Alliance carriers stick together - in this case, it would be more suitable to have UA, US, AC together along with either F9/AA in D and WN, F9/AA and DL in C.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:02 pm

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*Posted under current conditions of US being independent and in Star.

I was posting in assumption that US and AA will merge, lol.

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DL in C.

Well since DL is moving to D now I doubt they will move again.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):
From this source F9 is moving to E though.

I don't believe that's quite correct; the story says that Frontier will take over the leases for the gates in a swap, but they won't actually use the gates. DL will take over six F9 gates on D, while F9 will take over the leases on the DL gates on E. Even though F9 is still stuck with the gate leases, they are probably able to reduce their overall costs since DL will take over the former Best Care Club space on D.

Long-term, I doubt F9 will need more than one or two gates at MKE, what with the MKE schedule in January being reduced to 3 daily DEN, sub-daily MCO, seasonal TPA/RSW?, and one weekly flight to CUN. They'll still be leasing far more gates than they need -- by my count, they have 20 gates on D.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:19 pm

Anyone know when WN is moving its operations to C?

Quoting HermansCVR580 (Reply 2):
Have not heard about any news about new service, but I have heard that once Delta moves over to D, United will follow and E will be torn down. I guess they will have enough gates with out E, and MKE will probably never be a hub again but I hope they are not shooting themselves in the foot by tearing an entire concourse down.
Quoting JBo (Reply 4):
Not sure how I feel about tearing down Concourse E, but it probably makes more financial sense to tear the concourse down than the utility costs to keep it running when nobody is using it. It's also the most outdated of the three concourses.


I always thought it would end up being WN/FL in C, DL in E, and everyone else in D. That way both of MKE's largest carriers would have their own concourse and all three concourses would be flexible in terms of future expansion/increased service. This move sure makes it seem like E is going to be torn down or closed (even though one of the articles states that F9 is moving to E), and for me that'd be pretty disappointing. Sure, things may seem a little bit more gloomy now with all of F9's cutbacks, but like I said you're not giving yourself much flexibility for the future by tearing down an entire concourse. E could definitely use some upgrades though because of how outdated it has become compared to the rest of the airport.
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:25 pm

Does this mean the former Midwest Best Care Club on D will become a Delta SkyClub? DL currently has a club on E that they inherited from NW.
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:36 pm

Here's a news release from Delta:


http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1713



"Delta Air Lines to Assume Naming Rights to Milwaukee Convention Center,

Sep 19, 2012

MILWAUKEE, Sept. 19, 2012 – Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) has signed a one-year agreement with the Wisconsin Center District to assume naming rights to the Milwaukee Convention Center. The Delta Center, as it will be known, will begin its transformation later this fall, complete with Delta branding, signage and collateral.

“We are always looking for marketing opportunities that align with the preferences and interests of our customers,” said Kristen Manion, Delta’s managing director – Worldwide Marketing Communications. “Milwaukee has always been an important market in the Delta network and the partnership with the Convention Center supports our commitment to our customers throughout the greater Milwaukee metro area.”

In addition to the naming rights to the building, the agreement provides Delta with exclusive airline advertising rights to the U.S. Cellular Arena, Milwaukee Theatre and The Delta Center. Delta Air Lines also will be marketed as the preferred airline for convention travel to and from Milwaukee.

“We are pleased that Delta Air Lines has agreed to sponsor our downtown convention center and support Milwaukee, and we are excited to begin a partnership with them,” said Franklyn Gimbel, Wisconsin Center District Board Chairman.

Delta is also working to improve the airport experience for Milwaukee customers by moving from the E Concourse to the D Concourse, the largest concourse at General Mitchell International Airport. Delta will utilize the same number of gates and the move is expected to be complete in early 2013.

As part of the move, Delta will take over the space previously occupied by the Frontier Best Care Club and convert it into a new Delta Sky Club. That space is 4,924 square feet, nearly double the size of Delta’s current club. The new club will feature all of the award-winning amenities of the Delta Sky Clubs including a full-service bar with complimentary beverages and snacks throughout the day; personalized flight assistance; satellite television; and complimentary Wi-Fi.

“The move to D Concourse will improve the airport experience for our customers,” said James Sarvis, Delta’s vice president – Airport Customer Service. “When you combine the newer facility with the larger Delta Sky Club and double the number of security checkpoint lanes, you can see how customers will benefit from the move, from the time they arrive at the airport to the time they depart on their flight.”

Delta operates 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul, and New York’s John F. Kennedy and LaGuardia airports. A portion of travel for some itineraries may be on the Delta Connection carriers: Chautauqua Airlines, Comair, Compass Airlines, ExpressJet, Go Jet, Mesaba Airlines, Pinnacle Airlines, Shuttle America and SkyWest."



I guess they can just move the "Delta Center" signage from SLC to MKE for the NEW Delta Center.......
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:12 pm

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Anyone know when WN is moving its operations to C?

I heard November 4, 2012 when they take over more AirTran flights. No source though.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 9):
I loved the E gate rotunda when I flew for NWA. I am assuming it was added in the mid/late 60s/early 70s as the architect seemed to be popular with airport terminal designs at the time (LAS T1 ,old IND, old ATL, old DTW F gates, old PIT).

It was built for North Central in 1969 / 70. I've seen pictures of NC 580s at the rotunda when it opened, without jetways attached.

The F gates were not the only part of DTW that had rotundas. The A concourse (which was used by Northwest prior to the Northwest / Republic merger) and the B concourse (which was originally used only by AA, although AA sublet most of their gates after they pulled down their DTW focus city post-deregulation) also had rotundas. The F concourse's rotunda was built in 1966 along with the rest of the Davey Terminal, and the A and B rotundas were added in the late 1960s. AA subsequently built a square addition on the west side of their rotunda to accomodate 747s.
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RE: MKE Changes

Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 17):
It was built for North Central in 1969 / 70. I've seen pictures of NC 580s at the rotunda when it opened, without jetways attached.

The F gates were not the only part of DTW that had rotundas. The A concourse (which was used by Northwest prior to the Northwest / Republic merger) and the B concourse (which was originally used only by AA, although AA sublet most of their gates after they pulled down their DTW focus city post-deregulation) also had rotundas. The F concourse's rotunda was built in 1966 along with the rest of the Davey Terminal, and the A and B rotundas were added in the late 1960s. AA subsequently built a square addition on the west side of their rotunda to accomodate 747s.

Very interesting....thank you so much for the back story on MKE and DTW!!  
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:11 am

Regardless of what you think of DL, its good to get that eyesore F9 off of the landscape. All they've managed to do since they took over YX is make a bunch of promises they couldn't keep. It'd be nice if DL added some more direct flights from MKE, instead of only having service to the major hubs.

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) has signed a one-year agreement with the Wisconsin Center District to assume naming rights to the Milwaukee Convention Center.

Only a one-year deal? What will it be named the year after that?
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:29 am

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its good to get that eyesore F9 off of the landscape.

Just so everyone knows you can ignore this users posts. 99% of the time there is not fact in it, just bashing F9.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:34 am

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 19):
Regardless of what you think of DL, its good to get that eyesore F9 off of the landscape. All they've managed to do since they took over YX is make a bunch of promises they couldn't keep.

Although it's Republic, the owner of F9, who you should really be upset with.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:38 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 20):
99% of the time there is not fact in it, just bashing F9.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:45 am

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Does this mean the former Midwest Best Care Club on D will become a Delta SkyClub? DL currently has a club on E that they inherited from NW.

Yes, they give up the one on E and build a new, bigger one on D.

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Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:29 am

MKE-SLC seems like such a glaring gap in the network and MKE flyers. Again i think it has more to do with the limited availability of CR7/CR9/319 capable gates at the two main prime banks in SLC. There are more profitable uses of those gates but that may change if delta really develops more and more important MKE flyers. It is beyond CR2 deltas rules and o&d is too weak to support an off time. Delta tried MKE before reportedly on here not at the prime bank times and layover times were very long and o&d is clearly not profitable enough to support a flight yet.....but again that may change if delta gets more valuable business flyers and elites. It would add alot of cities and connection possibilities in weather/cancellations scenarios for flyers though if they gain enough elites
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:06 am

So I wonder if we will see a return to some of the cities that NW was running out of MKE like LAX,PHX,DCA?

Here are some shots of the old E concourse then known as B. Spent many moons watching the Convairs there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47174431@N04/7897507802/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47174431@N04/7897493008/in/photostream
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:33 am

My personal opinion, we aren't going to see a lot of new service, if any. This is probably just a deal DL made with F9 to get the gates off F9's hands for some cash.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
Long-term, I doubt F9 will need more than one or two gates at MKE, what with the MKE schedule in January being reduced to 3 daily DEN, sub-daily MCO, seasonal TPA/RSW?, and one weekly flight to CUN.

You put a question mark, so just to clear it up. no, Frontier isn't flying MKE-TPA/RSW this winter. All of (non-DEN) Florida is being consolidated at MCO.

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Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:45 pm

Do we know yet which gates on D Delta will be taking from Frontier? I know it said six gates but I'm wondering if anyone knows which six, and I wonder if Frontier will just use gates E60 and 61 right at the entrance to E?
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:28 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 24):
MKE-SLC seems like such a glaring gap in the network and MKE flyers. Again i think it has more to do with the limited availability of CR7/CR9/319 capable gates at the two main prime banks in SLC. There are more profitable uses of those gates but that may change if delta really develops more and more important MKE flyers. It is beyond CR2 deltas rules and o&d is too weak to support an off time. Delta tried MKE before reportedly on here not at the prime bank times and layover times were very long and o&d is clearly not profitable enough to support a flight yet.....but again that may change if delta gets more valuable business flyers and elites. It would add alot of cities and connection possibilities in weather/cancellations scenarios for flyers though if they gain enough elites

As I heard it, the problem wasn't loads, it was that most people were flying beyond SLC and there wasn't enough O/D to make it worth it. They'd much rather route that traffic over MSP.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 17):
It was built for North Central in 1969 / 70. I've seen pictures of NC 580s at the rotunda when it opened, without jetways attached.

I so remember that!    I was on a few of those C580 flights, once upon a time, when I was really young. We would fly in to MKE from FLL on NW, and then connect to North Central for the hop up to Mosinee (Central WI Regional, just south of Wausau). It was neat to catch those flights at night, because you could look out the window and see the exhaust glow on those old turboprops. Just cool stuff!

Well, I guess they're talking about moving a lesser airline (F9 being mentioned) into E ... but I wonder. There's some history to that concourse ... might they keep it and perhaps turn it into an observation / historical / shopping venue? Or would they raze and rebuild with modern facilities? The desire would be to attract more occupancy, I'm sure ... but is there a real purpose for it at MKE, given the relative nearness of ORD? Since Midwest Express died, it sure doesn't seem like there's much call for expanded service beyond DL and SW/FL. Not flying through there nearly as often as I used to, tho, I don't know.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:43 pm

I just confirmed with MKE, Frontier will stay in D.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 19):
Regardless of what you think of DL, its good to get that eyesore F9 off of the landscape. All they've managed to do since they took over YX is make a bunch of promises they couldn't keep. It'd be nice if DL added some more direct flights from MKE, instead of only having service to the major hubs.

We get it. You have an axe to grind against F9 and Republic. It really isn't F9's fault it didn't work out in MKE.

YX had been struggling in MKE for YEARS. Anyone who thinks it was all sunshine and roses for Midwest until big, bad AirTran tried to take them over is fooling themselves. The only thing that really kept YX and the MKE hub alive was the regional feed from Skyway, but they shot themselves in the foot when they started getting rid of the Beech 1900 fleet in favor of the FRJ. The FRJs were exponentially more expensive to operate on the same routes as the Beeches with minimal increases in passenger traffic.

Most of the markets Skyway served were great for 19-30 pax aircraft, but were not big enough to support 50-seat RJs. After the transition to Frontier, Republic tried to keep the Skyway network alive with 145s and 135s but they weren't profitable.

The slow, painful death of the MKE hub started long before Republic bought out YX. Without the regional feed, there is no MKE hub (one of my biggest arguments against the FL merger since FL had no success with regional partners) and we are seeing that now.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:51 pm

MKE simply is not large enough or high yielding enough to support both a southwest and Frontier major focus city with fuel prices this high. Its not really Republics fault or Midwest fault they both wanted MKE to work I am sure. I think both were relying on the idea that southwest buying airtran would slash MKE size alot. Southwest stayed strong and pulled them out of the market almost totally.

Same exact thing as I and alot of people have said on here for years DEN isnt able to to support three full scale hubs permanently unless fuel plumets. Its just a question of how long it can continue IMHO which still might be a while. It does seem like Frontier might be starting to slowly pull down DEN and Southwest is showing little signs they are done growing or expanding Denver. Im not sure how intentional or natural expansion it is but they have put some pressure on Frontier recently. I think Denver might be able to support to full hubs and a frontier focus city just because its such a unique market with very high o&d but three hubs is just too much to support long term IMHO
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 33):
It does seem like Frontier might be starting to slowly pull down DEN and Southwest is showing little signs they are done growing or expanding Denver.

How much is Frontier "pulling down"?

Yes, they're dropping SMF, SMF, PVU and PHL but CAK becomes CLE and it's adding AZA, MOT and FAR Then there's SBN. On balance, it's a wash or, at most, it's a loss of one E190 city.

Frequencies are reduced in a number of cases, but it is winter and they are working with a constrained fleet with the E190's leaving - although believe at least 1 x A320 is coming in.

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[Edited 2012-09-20 14:22:16]
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:10 pm

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How much is Frontier "pulling down"?

Over the next few weeks and months we will start to get a feel of what they will being doing in DEN. After one round of cuts and on round of additions you can't learn anything about what they plan on doing.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 35):
Over the next few weeks and months we will start to get a feel of what they will being doing in DEN. After one round of cuts and on round of additions you can't learn anything about what they plan on doing.

We have a fairly clear idea now.

Anything may - or may not - happen in the future, but I deal with the now, what is, not what anyone thinks it might be - or wants it to be.

It does seem odd to talk about DEN in a thread called "MKE Changes," though.

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Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
As part of the move, Delta will take over the space previously occupied by the Frontier Best Care Club and convert it into a new Delta Sky Club. That space is 4,924 square feet, nearly double the size of Delta’s current club.

Anyone know how this compares in size with DL's club at ORD?
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RE: MKE Changes

Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 23):
1%.

And then there's this:

New Frontier/Republic #32 (by bjorn14 Feb 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)#1

Quoting HermansCVR580 (Reply 223):
Amen brother!!!!!! I could not have said it better myself. I tried to preach to the choir but it feel on deaf ears.
That's The Way The Cookie Crumbles (by HermansCVR580 Apr 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)#1

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
I fully understand and accept that - and agree with it.
Dark Days Ahead For MKE (by IllinoisMan May 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)#1

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 11):
I see you know much about airlines.
Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 15):
I agreed with most of your statement,
New Frontier/Republic Thread Part 37 (by SA7700 Aug 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:35 pm

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And then there's this:

And I could find triple that of you bashing F9 but lets just stop this.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 38):
Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
I fully understand and accept that - and agree with it.
Dark Days Ahead For MKE (by IllinoisMan May 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)#1

Since you quoted me, I have to say I have no idea what you're talking about - I assume it is probably negative to Frontier, because you are always so very poopy about Frontier, but that's only a guess.

You seem never to give a thought to the scores of millions of dollars that Republic wasted trying to keep at least the spirit of Midwest alive and which brought Frontier its knees.

Happily, Frontier is getting over it. I wonder that you cannot do the same.

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Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:50 pm

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I assume it is probably negative to Frontier

Of course it is. I think he expects "when YX was still around and dinner was served on china plates was served to every passenger who had a paid ticket, including a glass or more of wine." A quote from the F9 28 thread. As if YX would still be alive today anyway.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:54 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 41):
I think he expects "when YX was still around and dinner was served on china plates was served to every passenger who had a paid ticket, including a glass or more of wine."

Okay, I'm confused. Anyone who expected that from Frontier was very misguided.

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Okay, I'm confused.

I'm just quoting what he posted on F9 28 to get you in the know.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 43):
I'm just quoting what he posted on F9 28 to get you in the know.

Ye, I saw that now, thanks. But at no stage has Frontier offered those things, so I;m not sure why anyone would expect them.

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RE: MKE Changes

Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:22 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 40):
Since you quoted me, I have to say I have no idea what you're talking about - I assume it is probably negative to Frontier, because you are always so very poopy about Frontier, but that's only a guess.

Airliner371 claimed the following:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 20):
Just so everyone knows you can ignore this users posts. 99% of the time there is not fact in it,

I inserted a few quotes from past threads to disprove his wild assertion.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 45):
I inserted a few quotes from past threads to disprove his wild assertion.


I've read the thread you posted under my name and I still can't see the point you're making. Very clearly, my attitude then was the same as my attitude now.

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RE: MKE Changes

Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting HermansCVR580 (Reply 28):
Do we know yet which gates on D Delta will be taking from Frontier? I know it said six gates but I'm wondering if anyone knows which six, and I wonder if Frontier will just use gates E60 and 61 right at the entrance to E?

From what I've heard, Frontier will continue on D, which supports what someone else posted as well.

Frontier has 14+ gates on D they are on the hook for, and a dozen or more of them are idle. Now, six of those idle gates will be on E. My guess is that E will be mothballed once legacy-CO moves.

No word on which gates will be taken by Delta, but for purpose of clustering, I could see this:

F9: 4 gates (3 jetways) on the north tip of the hammerhead (D46/47/48/49)
DL: 6 gates -- the rest of the north side of the hammerhead (D39/41/42/43/44/45)

That puts all 6 DL gates together, and near the new club. And the area right under the north hammerhead was the nerve center of the MKE offices -- if that's still where they have or can consolidate their back offices, it makes sense.

That leaves on D:
four jetway gates (D51/52/53/56) on the south hammerhead, with room for 1 or 2 more
four jetways gates on the "30-side" (D30/34/36/38)

Those spaces could easily handle someone like UA, AA or US moving from C to D.

Also left are the three ground-level boarding gates (D27/28/29) but I doubt they'd be desirable as-is. Though plenty of regional jet flights for AA, US or UA could in theory use those gates, nobody wants to ground-board if they don't have to.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:53 am

Delta will take the north hammerhead gates on D. Also US will be moving over to D concourse in the next two months.
 
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RE: MKE Changes

Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 48):
Delta will take the north hammerhead gates on D. Also US will be moving over to D concourse in the next two months.

North hammerhead has ten gates -- do you know which ones will be Delta?

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