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DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:15 am

Not sure if this has been posted before but I could not find anything.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-...tertainment-options-160600073.html
" Delta to Offer Streaming Entertainment Options on 950 Wi-Fi-Equipped Aircraft
Television and movie library will be available on all two-class domestic and international aircraft
Delta to upgrade existing Wi-Fi-equipped aircraft to next generation connectivity technology

Press Release: Delta Air Lines – 7 hours ago

ATLANTA, Sept. 19, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (DAL) is adding new, on-demand entertainment options to its fleet of more than 950 two-class Delta and Delta Connection aircraft, the world's largest fleet of Wi-Fi equipped planes.

(Logo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20090202/DELTALOGO )

The Delta Connect Wi-Fi portal will allow customers to stream television and movie options directly to their laptop or tablet while in flight. Streamed content will be accessible for 24 hours after a flight and available for playback on the ground through the same device used onboard. All 800 of Delta's two-class domestic aircraft will be equipped with this new on-demand technology by the end of 2013.

This new technology will be installed on Delta's international fleet in conjunction with previously announced plans to install international Wi-Fi service on more than 150 widebody aircraft, scheduled to be completed by the end of 2015. This will allow customers to use both their personal device to stream movies and television shows, as well as current in-seat systems.

"Delta continues to innovate through the use of technology and this newest addition means customers can count on having numerous in-flight entertainment choices available, whether they're flying internationally or domestically," said Tim Mapes, Delta's senior vice president – Marketing. "Bringing this technology to our Wi-Fi enabled fleet is just the latest way we are making flying better for Delta customers."

When installations are complete, customers will have access to on-demand in-flight entertainment options on more than 350 additional domestic Delta aircraft.

Introductory prices will range from $.99 per show for television programming to $3.99 for full-length movies from major Hollywood studios. Delta Connect will enable customers to sort titles by genre, length of feature, movie, show and other categories. Trailers are available for complimentary viewing prior to rental. Wi-Fi purchase is not required to access Delta Connect content or the on-demand service.

Delta also has begun to upgrade to Gogo's ATG-4 connectivity solution on its entire domestic fleet of Wi-Fi-enabled aircraft, enhancing the existing air-to-ground network and improving capacity. As a result, customers will experience improved connectivity when they travel on Delta and sign on to the Gogo network."
 
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:25 am

The pro-Wi-Fi and anti-AVOD crowd must be lurking here somewhere. Still, this won't stop DL's plans for the 739ERs to come equipped with AVOD from the factory. Furthermore, there are rumors that DL will install AVOD on the 753 fleet, as the 753 will be the new workhorse for Hawaii flights.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:56 am

I've used Gogo service before and while their speed was OK, there's definitely not enough bandwidth to stream video (even low quality YouTube clips). I hope that this upgrade will increase bandwidth enough for an a large number of people to stream HD videos.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
The pro-Wi-Fi and anti-AVOD crowd must be lurking here somewhere. Still, this won't stop DL's plans for the 739ERs to come equipped with AVOD from the factory. Furthermore, there are rumors that DL will install AVOD on the 753 fleet, as the 753 will be the new workhorse for Hawaii flights.

Yeah and we also have the pro AVOD anti WiFi crowd here as well, so a moot point really.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:45 am

Im in the anti-AVOD crowd. Not really anti but more like antiquated. AVOD is soooooo 2006
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 3):
Yeah and we also have the pro AVOD anti WiFi crowd here as well, so a moot point really.

I am not anti Wi-Fi, however, I personally don't believe that it is a complete replacement for AVOD like some claim. Many people enjoy having the convenience of not having to have a laptop or tablet taking up personal space, and prefer the convenience of an in-seat monitor. On my past two DL AVOD flights this summer, I actually saw more people using the PTVs than I saw using their laptops or tablets. Bandwidth is also a concern, since there will very often be a data hog onboard.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:54 am

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I actually saw more people using the PTVs than I saw using their laptops or tablets.

If they get rid of AVOD and just have streaming and WIFI onboard more will use it which brings in more money plus you loose the wait of AVOD which is more money. I am one of those anti AVOD people. Not that its bad just that WIFI and Streaming does so much more with less weight.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:09 am

Quoting max999 (Reply 2):
I've used Gogo service before and while their speed was OK, there's definitely not enough bandwidth to stream video

  

It really depends on how many people are using the service at that time; every AS flight I've been on that offered Gogo I've been able to stream Netflix without any issues.

Keep in mind, industry wide the uptake on paid Wifi is less than 5%.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:25 am

this can be a half full half empty proposition based on how you look. The most obvious issue I have is power plug availability which can be spotty at best currently.

Second the content sounds like it may be a mix of streaming and stored contect. Pricing may be in their favor with fewer satellite channels, thus avoiding the Dish bill. Instead you now have to pay for that show or channel to be individually streamed.

So you could be paying more for no screen and a more pay per view environment.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:29 am

I wonder how many people would actually pay for the programming if PTVs are available. I know I certainly wouldn't pay the 3.99 or whatever if I had access to livetv or free movies. I didn't read the article, but would you need to pay for GoGo to be able to access the entertainment? Now if I could stream LiveTV to my laptop or tablet I'd be sold.
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):

You do not have to buy the wifi connection to access the streaming content. And apparently they will have fee previews so you can preview the content before deciding to buy.
 
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:57 am

What about the pro-wifi pro-AVOD people?   

AVOD does has an advantage in that you can watch a (limited) selection of movies without having to stream them. That's a plus at least. Or you can watch the same episode of The Office 3 times in a row
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting max999 (Reply 2):

I've used Gogo service before and while their speed was OK, there's definitely not enough bandwidth to stream video (even low quality YouTube clips). I hope that this upgrade will increase bandwidth enough for an a large number of people to stream ...

They're not streaming the video from the ground. Obviously.

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Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 12):
They're not streaming the video from the ground. Obviously.

Yep, the content will be streamed from an on-board server. So there will not be contention over the more bandwidth limited air-to-ground connection. They have been testing the system out on the 753's for awhile.

[Edited 2012-09-19 22:14:14]
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:41 am

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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 11):

I secont that.   
I'm also in the camp that having AVOD and WiFi is better then having one or the other. I like to keep my options open when it comes to my entertainment. When i travel i have my laptop with 2x 5hour batteries with me plus my droid smart phone, either option have enough content to keep a person occupied for days. But you newer know what you will be in the mood for and sometimes the airline AVOD will have content and movies that you have not seen yet. And if all else fails i bring a book also.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:36 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
I am not anti Wi-Fi, however, I personally don't believe that it is a complete replacement for AVOD like some claim. Many people enjoy having the convenience of not having to have a laptop or tablet taking up personal space, and prefer the convenience of an in-seat monitor. On my past two DL AVOD flights this summer, I actually saw more people using the PTVs than I saw using their laptops or tablets. Bandwidth is also a concern, since there will very often be a data hog onboard.

I prefer both. AVOD for the movies, tv shows and stuff I don't have on my ipad, and WiFi for the connectivity so I can browse the internet etc.
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 12):
They're not streaming the video from the ground. Obviously.

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Quoting michman (Reply 13):
Yep, the content will be streamed from an on-board server. So there will not be contention over the more bandwidth limited air-to-ground connection. They have been testing the system out on the 753's for awhile.

The press release wasn't very clear where the content was being streamed from.

However, the press release did say that content will be available to you even after you get off the flight. So I am assuming this is being streamed from the cloud (the ground while you're flying). How else are you going to get the same content off the flight? So I still believe bandwidth could be a concern, but I'm also hopeful that they will upgrade the technology to accomodate multiple video streams inflight on top of regular Internet usage.
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting max999 (Reply 17):
The press release wasn't very clear where the content was being streamed from.

However, the press release did say that content will be available to you even after you get off the flight. So I am assuming this is being streamed from the cloud (the ground while you're flying). How else are you going to get the same content off the flight? So I still believe bandwidth could be a concern, but I'm also hopeful that they will upgrade the technology to accomodate multiple video streams inflight on top of regular Internet usage.

It's not like it's all that difficult to have 2 copies of the content. One on a ground based cloud system and a local "cloud" (aka, a small disk-array) located on the airplane. A central ground based system could track your purchase and your streaming state, while the actual content would be stored and streamed from the airplane itself while in the air. And now that I am done speculating, here is a Gogo press release confirming that their Gogo Vision system being used by Delta employs an onboard streaming server -- http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/19/483...gogo-to-expand-gogo-vision-on.html


"Videos for Gogo Vision are stored on an internal server on the plane and streamed to passengers' own Wi-Fi enabled device."

[Edited 2012-09-20 07:31:43]
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:30 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
The pro-Wi-Fi and anti-AVOD crowd must be lurking here somewhere.

I am neither pro wi-fi or pro AVOD crowd and wish to be part of the read a good book crowd
I relialize this is a very important matter to some of the A-net members, but I would wager that the majority of passengers could not care less
 
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 19):
I would wager that the majority of passengers could not care less

I think that if the majority of passengers didn't care then the industry wouldn't be making these major investments in the technology. They must have data that shows the passengers do care about this.

[Edited 2012-09-20 08:13:38]
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:12 pm

The future of AVOD is WiFi anyway. AVOD isn't going anywhere, especially on international flights, because tablets and smartphones aren't as common in countries other than the US, but instead of using wires and under-seat boxes, AVOD content will be delivered to each screen over in-plane WifFi...

Quoting max999 (Reply 17):
However, the press release did say that content will be available to you even after you get off the flight. So I am assuming this is being streamed from the cloud (the ground while you're flying). How else are you going to get the same content off the flight?

By using Digital Rights Management (DRM).
Content will be downloaded in-flight from a streaming server and stored on your device for playback later. It will come with an electronic tag setting the date and time of expiration, at which point your device will either delete it, or just block access. If you have bought your device in the last 15 years or so, it does recognize DRM tags.

If you want more information, Wikipedia is pretty exhaustive on the matter.
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
By using Digital Rights Management (DRM).
Content will be downloaded in-flight from a streaming server and stored on your device for playback later. It will come with an electronic tag setting the date and time of expiration, at which point your device will either delete it, or just block access. If you have bought your device in the last 15 years or so, it does recognize DRM tags.

You can't count on devices to have sufficient storage to store the content. Your purchases will likely be recorded with your account information and streamed real-time off the local server while on the airplane, and from a ground-based server when your flight is over. The system could validate your access to a purchase via a login/password combination on the account.

[Edited 2012-09-20 10:29:51]
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 18):
It's not like it's all that difficult to have 2 copies of the content. One on a ground based cloud system and a local "cloud" (aka, a small disk-array) located on the airplane. A central ground based system could track your purchase and your streaming state, while the actual content would be stored and streamed from the airplane itself while in the air. And now that I am done speculating, here is a Gogo press release confirming that their Gogo Vision system being used by Delta employs an onboard streaming server -- http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/19/483...gogo-to-expand-gogo-vision-on.html


"Videos for Gogo Vision are stored on an internal server on the plane and streamed to passengers' own Wi-Fi enabled device."

Gotcha...this other press release answers the question about where the content is based. Thanks.
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:16 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):
plus you loose the wait of AVOD

What's more, you also *lose* the *weight* of AVOD, so not only do you save weight, you also learn how to spell ...it's a win-win  
 
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:42 pm

Losing AVOD would be a huge win for Delta as a business. The wifi solutions are far cheaper, weigh less and take much less maintenance.

As a passenger, I prefer it as well. I'll take a 10" - 15" high definition screen over the tiny AVOD screens any day, thanks.
 
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:52 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
The future of AVOD is WiFi anyway. AVOD isn't going anywhere, especially on international flights, because tablets and smartphones aren't as common in countries other than the US, but instead of using wires and under-seat boxes, AVOD content will be delivered to each screen over in-plane WifFi...

One issue would be charging all of those screens, which could negate some of the weight savings.

Quoting delimit (Reply 25):
Losing AVOD would be a huge win for Delta as a business. The wifi solutions are far cheaper, weigh less and take much less maintenance.

As a passenger, I prefer it as well. I'll take a 10" - 15" high definition screen over the tiny AVOD screens any day, thanks.

No, it would be a huge LOSS, since Delta has spent millions on investing in the technology, so it would be throwing away millions of dollars invested. Furthermore, Delta has already signed a contract with Panasonic and B/E Aerospace for AVOD on the 739ER fleet, and I don't see Delta backtracking on that decision since it would be in violation of the contract. Also, read this quote from the article:

Quote:
This will allow customers to use both their personal device to stream movies and television shows, as well as current in-seat systems.

Therefore, AVOD is here to stay, no matter how you feel about it.

[Edited 2012-09-20 17:57:59]
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Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:01 am

Is this the same type of WiFi streaming that UA announced a while ago that they were going to install on its 747 fleet, presumably to save a more expensive upgrade to its Y-class entertainment system?
 
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Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 26):
Therefore, AVOD is here to stay, no matter how you feel about it.

It's here to stay for now.

Long-term (10 years or so), AVOD will be as antiquated as overhead monitors are nowadays.
 
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Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:36 am

Quoting max999 (Reply 2):

I've used Gogo service before and while their speed was OK, there's definitely not enough bandwidth to stream video (even low quality YouTube clips). I hope that this upgrade will increase bandwidth enough for an a large number of people to stream HD videos.

These are on-board servers (which are already on the 753's) this won't be taking bandwidth away from internet users.
 
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Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:38 am

Quoting kric777 (Reply 24):
how to spell ...it's a win-win

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Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:32 pm

With all due respect, it wouldn't be a "huge LOSS" as most of DL's AVOD systems are nearing 10-years-old and therefore heavily depreciated. And should DL choose to remove AVOD on its domestic aircraft, it’s likely existing systems would be recycled into long haul aircraft. Further, it’s unlikely DL would sign a guaranteed, non-flexible contract for future AVOD installations.

That said, I do believe incumbent AVOD installations will remain indefinitely, and that at least a portion of the 737-900ER fleet will likely have AVOD. But DL’s decision to expand streaming entertainment does signify that systemwide AVOD installations are unlikely -- in other words, I wouldn’t expect further AVOD installations on aircraft currently within the fleet, regardless of any previously announced plans.

Alas, although you make it a matter of “AVOD vs. WiFi,” it’s a really a decision about saving money.
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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 31):
With all due respect, it wouldn't be a "huge LOSS" as most of DL's AVOD systems are nearing 10-years-old and therefore heavily depreciated. And should DL choose to remove AVOD on its domestic aircraft, it’s likely existing systems would be recycled into long haul aircraft. Further, it’s unlikely DL would sign a guaranteed, non-flexible contract for future AVOD installations.

Most of DL's AVOD systems are not nearing 10 years old; that is only true of the ex-Song 757s; the AVOD systems on the rest of the fleet are significantly newer than that. And the AVOD systems, even on the ex-Song 757s, still work well and are still statistically reliable.

I know that you have an eternal hatred towards AVOD, but regardless of what you think, AVOD is an integral part of DL's onboard experience, and offering streaming video through Wi-Fi will absolutely not change that. FYI, word is going around that DL will install AVOD on the 753 fleet, as the 753 will be the workhorse for most Hawaii flights.

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Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 32):
Most of DL's AVOD systems are not nearing 10 years old; that is only true of the ex-Song 757s; the AVOD systems on the rest of the fleet are significantly newer than that.

The ex-Song aircraft make-up about half the AVOD-equipped domestic aircraft.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 32):
And the AVOD systems, even on the ex-Song 757s, still work well and are still statistically reliable.

And do you have any data the suggests the ex-Song AVOd systems are "statistically reliable"? Or are you just guessing? Some of us do fly more than once a year.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 32):
...[quote=1337Delta764,reply=32]word is going around that DL will install AVOD on the 753 fleet, as the 753 will be the workhorse for most Hawaii flights.

..."word" going around a.net, you mean. Satellite TV doesn't work over the Pacific, and the 753 were the test aircraft for personal, steaming AVOD. Nor is there any reason to believe equipment changes are coming to the Hawaii flights -- DL's had opportunity to upgrade its LAX-OGG/KOA/LIH flights but choose not to, and SLC/HNL likely couldn't operate w/a full payload.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 32):
I know that you have an eternal hatred towards AVOD, but regardless of what you think, AVOD is an integral part of DL's onboard experience,

I certainly harbor no "external hatred" toward AVOD -- I'm just being realistic. It's incredibly expensive, and DL has sought alternative solutions in exploring streaming AVOD. While I certainly don't believe DL's going to remove existing systems, I do believe it'd be unrealistic to expect to expand AVOD among its existing fleet -- otherwise, it wouldn't have attempted steaming IFE since it's redundant. You’re really naïve, to say the least, if you believe DL’s offering steaming IFE solely to complement AVOD.

And I'd question if AVOD is an "integral" part of DL's onboard experience, since most AVOD routes are also served with AVOD-less (and sometimes IFE-less) equipment.

[Edited 2012-09-23 17:10:59]
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 33):
personal, steaming AVOD

HEY! What are you watching over there??
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:03 pm

AA has been offering streaming video on their Gogo-equipped aircraft for nearly a year now. I've used it several times on the 767-200 transcon routes as well as some of the MD-80 routes on my iPad and laptop. It works great, and as others have said, there are no bandwidth issues since everything is stored on a server onboard the aircraft.

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RE: DL To Offer Onboard Streaming Thru WiFi

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 18):
It's not like it's all that difficult to have 2 copies of the content. One on a ground based cloud system and a local "cloud" (aka, a small disk-array) located on the airplane.

Do we know if that's how it's going to work, though? It does seem to me that it would cut down big-time on "overboard" bandwidth if the streaming library (which could fit into a tiny hard drive with negligible weight) were stored onboard.

I'm not entirely sure why DL feels that it's worth the bother to make the content available for 24 hours after a flight. OK, so some passengers might have just gotten to the really good bit of The Avengers right when they have to shut off for landing, but why is DL providing the rest of the movie for free? Seems to me like an investment in data infrastructure with very little ROI.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
The future of AVOD is WiFi anyway. AVOD isn't going anywhere, especially on international flights, because tablets and smartphones aren't as common in countries other than the US,

Yeah they are. In fact, especially in the third world, smartphones are huge because they require less physical infrastructure than land lines.
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