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Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 3:20 pm

I always find it sadly humorous when I see people making mistakes and choosing flights I would never DARE to take because of the airport or times or plane size.

For instance, I think Southwest is a great airline and is great for short hops or medium flights but I keep seeing families going coast to coast and having to suffer from all the stopovers and change of planes. If I want to go from SEA to PHX then Southwest is an option but NOT if I want to go SEA-PVD.

An odd thing to see is the multi stopover/change flights that DELTA is using on a good number of flights I was looking at.

SEA-PVD for example has complex changes.

Really, why would I want to make three changes for a coast to coast flight?

And I will personally aovid ORD and EWR and Northwest Airlines this Holiday Season.

How about you?

But with that said, I am probably going to take a DELTA flight that just has a single change in Cincinatti.


Then again I could take a AA flight straight into BOS from SEA with no fear of delayed connections.

Which is why I am writing (and rambling) cause I dont really know what airlines are notorious for being hard hit by the Holiday rush.

Man, if one person could be saved a bad trip by someone who posts a reply here then I think my rambling might have been worth reading.


 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 3:47 pm

I re-read my post and I wanted to make it known that I didnt want to sound like I was poking fun at familes with a strapped budget or those having to fly Southwest.

I work with a guy who makes excellent salary and owns half a million in stock in his company yet he bought tickets on Sun Country (who he said he had never heard of) cause they were cheaper. He is flying SEA-BOS He is scheduled to arrive the day before Christmas!!!!!

That just sounds like a horror story waiting to happen considering his familie's stopover is Minneapolis or Detroit.

It was really that type of attitude that I was writing about.
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 3:53 pm

Any airline that might have ANY operations at an airport which can get snowy! YIKES!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holida

Tue Oct 17, 2000 4:51 pm

Naimas, where have you been for so long?

I think the main "threat" this year is LABOR issues. SWA's bagsmashers are all in a tizzy and are looking to have their cool off exactly 30 days before T-day. AA mechs, DAL pilots are all upset because of UAL's new industry leading payscales....

I Pray their wont be any damn strikes but who knos....
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:38 pm

Wow,


I didnt know about the labor stuff. I just moved to Seattle and dont have a computer and just recently got cable tv so I am behind the times. I have spent the last 7 months basically working my butt off and havent had the time to look at airline stuff.

I totally agree with the thought that any airport where there is snow could be a problem.

I personally love ORD and have found all my flights on UAL there to be smooth and quick changing. But I dont think I would try that airport the week of Christmas.

So I have gotten a little behind in the airline info which was why I was asking about the Holiday outllook.


One flight I miss a WHOLE BUNCH and am dissappointed not to see being offered this year is the UAL 777 from SEA-ORD. God that was such a treat!

My dreamflight is a nonstop 777 from SEA -BOS


I guess till that happens I can always dream.


If anyone thinks there might even be the slight possibility of a strike with a major airline please let me know.


Thanks for the info
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 6:36 pm

I just booked PHL-TPA on AirTran for my family this christmas b/c they offered the lowest fare and best times. The only time US was better was if we took a flight that arrrived at 12:09a the next day there, and we would have left TPA at some inane time like 6:30a or something. The other option for a little cheaper was:PHL-BWI-CLT-MCO-TPA and TPA-MCO-CLT-PHL. If somone takes that it's a disaster in action.
 
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RE: Lowfareair

Wed Oct 18, 2000 1:50 am

USAirways' website offered me a good price on my flight, BDL-DTW. The hitch? I had to fly BDL-PHL-RDU-CLT-PIT-DTW or something equally ridiculous. I'm not kidding! Needless to say, I do not plan to take USAirways.
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 2:25 am

I am avoiding ORD until further notice. I usually take AA to TUL via ORD for Thanksgiving, but this year it's DFW (which has problems of its own, btw). I think ORD has too many problems right now, although I have a lot of respect for the folks working there. I landed there once with AA in almost zero visibility fog. And there were few delays because of it. But ORD is just too busy, and it's only going to get worse.


The problem with AA from DFW to TUL is they keep using those stupid puddle-jumpers. But at least there are plenty of flights between the two ports, so hopefully everything will work out.





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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 2:49 am

I am avoiding UA because every year, it is the same story. Delay after delay.
Don't get me wrong, I think United is a very good and reliable airline, apart
from the summer's mishaps. However, I will be flying Continental.

 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:06 am

UAL
Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:18 am

Naimas:

why would you avoid the #1 ontime airline so far this year? (northwest)

and the airline that is one of the least likely to involuntarily deny you boarding at a time whenalmost every flight is overbooked? (northwest)



 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:23 am

Avoid NW! I have been at the airport (SEA) on numerous holidays and the line at NW is always much, much longer than any other airlines'.
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 6:48 am

Its true however, NW is doing well recently, leading TW as the #1 on-time airline so far this season, TW is a close second.

I'm avoiding CO and UA because I have very little mileage credit with them. AA, TW, and DL on the other hand...... 
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:33 am

Northwest: sometimes long lines 80+% ontime flights

United: longer lines 40-70%ontime flights.......

I'd much rather stand in line for 20-30mins and arrive at my destination ontime or early than stand inline for 5-10mins and arrive at my destination late.

each to their own I guess.
 
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Regarding NWA

Wed Oct 18, 2000 2:35 pm

I dont want to start sounding like I am bashing any airline. Infact I JUST had a flight with NWA SEA-PVD about a month ago and I was mildly impressed. My ONLY gripe with NWA is the fact that two inevitable hubs are known to be hit hard by snow and should anyone ever forgive NWA for the super long delay they put people through that winter? The answer is yes, they should be forgiven, but that doesnt mean I will fly on them once the snow starts falling.

By the way, my flight on NWA out of SEA was delayed about 40 minutes and we ended up leaving at the same time as a later flight to the same place. Almost every flight I looked at for them while at the airport had a sign up looking for volunteers to get bumped. Not an impressive start when the airline is boasting its #1 on time performance.


Again, I wont fly NWA if it has a stopover or any airline that must connect in ORD. But only because it will be the holiday season.

I wish there were more nonstops from SEA-BOS. I have taken NWA in the past when they had a nonstop flight and wouldnt hesitate to choose it again but it isnt being offered anymore.

AA has a nonstop SEA-BOS but it is expensive and I am hearing rumors of them possibly going to suffer the same slow down that plagued UAL and might hurt Delta.

Its too bad cause I would have chosen that flight.

 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 2:47 pm

It's not a reflection of poor service to avoid hubs in the more northern latitudes such as ORD, MSP, DTW, etc especially as this winter is forecast to be a particularly snowy one. I for one will stick with the Texas hubs (DFW or IAH) as the safest bet as I would sooner die than spend the holidays here.

Trouble is, its hard to tell where the trouble will be this year. DALPA is pushing for Delta 737 drivers to get a pay raise to current 777 levels. SWA rampers (http://www.twu555.org) will most likely strike without more management concessions. I have nothing against the labor movement but one has to keep abreast of events in order to prevent ruined holidays etc.
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holida

Wed Oct 18, 2000 2:59 pm

I try to avoid DTW during the winter holidays, every time I have flown through there during winter I have been delayed, not to mention DTW is like a zoo during christmas and they crank the heat up in the terminal.
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holida

Wed Oct 18, 2000 3:07 pm

I am reminding of the Thanksgiving episode of King of the Hill where everyone gets stranded in DFW all trying to leave for the holiday.

Why not try America West via LAS or PHX. They are much better operationally than they have been in the recent past and WX delays down here are very rare.
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 3:11 pm

Hadn't thought of HP.....

Hmmm....
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Thu Oct 19, 2000 12:51 am

The best advice is to try to avoid all airports for the holidays. It is not the airports but it is the volume. On holidays, you have the maximum volume of people who don't fly regularly so everything takes a lot longer.

If you must travel, take an extra day or two of vacation and schedule your outbound flight on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving and fly home on the following Monday or Tuesday morning. Then it really doesn't matter which airports you use. ALso, take early or mid-day flights and avoid the last flight of the day (always good advice anytime).

From experience, avoid flying outbound on Wednesday and returning on Sunday afternoon/evening (if you can). If you have to fly out on Wednesday, schedule the first flight in the morning. Also, early Sunday morning used to be a good time to return, but the last several holidays, that also was getting to be packed. It is still better, however, than later in the day,

I'll be home and full of turkey so good luck.
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Thu Oct 19, 2000 2:29 am

Listen to DesertJets about America West.

Our on-time and completion rate stats have improved in the last month or so due to new operation improvements that have been put in place. We've doubled the number of spare aircraft, improving maintenence, hired more personnel at our hub airports... so all in all, this should be one of our smoothest running holidays in quite a while.

Give us a try... you might be pleasently surprised at the changes.
 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Thu Oct 19, 2000 2:56 am


Northwest used to operate Dulles-Seattle and Boston-Seattle Dc10s but that stoped in the early 90s i believe when almost every flight NW operates is to or from a hub.
Naimas :

NW doesn't "boast"their ontime performance. They are actually pretty quiet about it. You rarely hear much advertising from NW which would explain why public opinion is so low. The last thing the general public heard from NW was the DTW storm. People don't now that it is the #1 airline so far this year for ontime or the #1 ontime airline of the 90s (for large hub and spoke operators).

Just because the flight is oversold does not mean it is delayed. Oversold flight means NW is doing good business. If the flight is oversold, NW has in my opinion, the best way of getting the volunteering process done well in advance of departure time. Infact on a few of the flights I have been on that were oversold the agent has actually come over the PA at 10 minutes prior to departure and said "we are ready to close the door, but we have to wait until 5 mnins prior to scheduled departure in order to do so. Thank you for choosing Northwest Airlines and have a great flight!"

Sure enough at 5 mins prior you hear the door close and the flight pushes back.

I have actually been on NW flights that have pushed back 5mins early and we have been AIRBORNE (not just pushing back from the gate...but in the air) at the scheduled departure time!! Pretty fun when that happens.


Anyway, my problems are always minimal on NW. DTW is DTW and I always expect it to be crowded but when 80+ percent of flight into DTW alone arrive ontime I don't care if the terminal is crowded. Besides I love looking out the window at the new terminal and its progess each time I go thry DTW. The new terminal will be fantastic!!!



 
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RE: Any Airlines You'll Be Avoiding For The Holidays?

Thu Oct 19, 2000 3:28 am

Hi,

I think I wont fly BLX never again...


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