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Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:21 am

With BMI out of the picture and Aer Lingus code-sharing with United Airlines and, now, Air Canada, is Aer Lingus en route to Star Alliance?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 am

Would be a good move if that happened, open up the competition again on the Ireland / UK bit, hasn't the UA bit tho come to and end?

If Ryanair get hold of Aer Lingus can't see much going on . But overall Star need the UK/Ireland feed back.

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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:54 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
Would be a good move if that happened, open up the competition again on the Ireland / UK bit, hasn't the UA bit tho come to and end?

The UA/EI operation between MAD and IAD is coming to an end alright however they still have their codeshare flights which seem to be going fine. However I have noticed the EY codeshare appearing now.

DUB seems to have gone from being a OW hub in the Noughties to a Star hub now with a large operation including UA, Swiss, SAS, LH, AC etc with busy schedules into Dublin and only AF/WX and DL holding a Skyteam presence and BA/AA/AY and IB making some effort for OW.

As much as Id love to see EI return to OW I suppose Star would make the most sense....assuming MOL keeps his greasy fingers off them!
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:07 am

With the announcement that AC and EI were going to code-share,AC added,they would also be moving to T2 early next year. Read into that for what it's worth.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:41 am

Didn't they leave oneworld because it didn't fit with their low cost business model? Joining Star Alliance doesn't seem to fit that business model anymore than oneworld would have.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:43 am

Aer Lingus is alliance-neutral. They will work with those airlines that suit them, regardless of alliance.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
Aer Lingus is alliance-neutral. They will work with those airlines that suit them, regardless of alliance.

Indeed there maybe some changes in partners but they need to keep in with a few as thats what works best for them .
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:33 am

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
Aer Lingus is alliance-neutral. They will work with those airlines that suit them, regardless of alliance

Seems to work pretty well for AS, best of luck to Aer Lingus vs Ryanair, I hope the shamrock will long live.  
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:14 am

They are moving to the LHR terminal for STAR, not the one for non aligned carriers, that's interesting.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:13 pm

Aer Lingus may be part of Ryannair soon.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):

They are moving to the LHR terminal for STAR, not the one for non aligned carriers, that's interesting.

To be fair, now that BMI is gone from *A the *A terminal will need additional carriers to fill it up. So it could be a reason to help BA consolidate back down to only 2 terminals rather than the 3+ they operate from now.

I am not reading too much into it.



Quoting tonystan (Reply 2):
The UA/EI operation between MAD and IAD is coming to an end

This was a huge issue for the UA pilots contract that the company is trying to negotiate. They needed to kill this arrangement to get something done with the pilots.

Again, not reading anything into this on the EI side.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
They are moving to the LHR terminal for STAR, not the one for non aligned carriers, that's interesting.

Didn't I read that EI will move to T2 and yet continue using the current 80-90 gates, which will be connected to T2 instead of T1 for a period of time? Those gates and the fact that EI has a lounge there is why they are moving to T2 as they will be connected to that.

Also, these gates are in a great location - almost every time the aircraft arriving from Dublin are on stand in about 3 minutes, which suits the high frequency schedule between Ireland and Heathrow.
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
Didn't I read that EI will move to T2 and yet continue using the current 80-90 gates, which will be connected to T2 instead of T1 for a period of time? Those gates and the fact that EI has a lounge there is why they are moving to T2 as they will be connected to that.

Also, these gates are in a great location - almost every time the aircraft arriving from Dublin are on stand in about 3 minutes, which suits the high frequency schedule between Ireland and Heathrow.

It's great for landing on 27R but the infrastructure is terrible and will be demolished. It's coming down with the rest of Terminal 1. Having used Aer Lingus again recently, it can be a massive nuisance to get from the lounge to the gate if any aircraft arrives. The need to keep arriving and departing CTA passengers seperate now means you have to wait until the arrival has deplaned before they open the doors again to let you process to your gate. It is no longer fit for purpose and frankly gets far too hot in summer and cold in winter.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:52 pm

I don't really see what EI has to bring to Star...

While EI has reasonable coverage of destinations in Europe and got the UK well covered (but so does AF, KL and LH too), they can't only really offer onward connections to anywhere else other than the USA and Canada...

Airlines like UA, US and AC use cities like FRA and MUC for their European Hubs to offer passengers onward connections in Europe with Lufthansa, which has a far larger European Network. To a lessor extent you also have airlines likes Swiss, Brussels, Scandinavian and LOT to feed into.

The vast majority of connecting passengers through DUB are from the UK regional airports and most other European routes are flown by people, flying point to point.

Passengers flying from the likes of CDG, FRA, MAD, FCO, etc, are going to choose to get on a direct flight from these respected airports to the USA as opposed to flying through Dublin... Its not like DUB flies to destinations in the USA that are not already covered from other European cities.

You also have to question why the like of Lufthansa and Swiss would want to feed passengers on to EI flights to the USA, when they can fly them across the pond on their own metal.

Before anyone mentions that DUB boasts being able to clear US Immigrations and Customs this side of the pond, I think this has very little value as opposed to being able to get on a direct flight.

EI needs UA far more than UA need EI! As they are reliant upon them to provide their loyal customers with onward connections in the USA. Even more now, that they don't fly to the west coast.

I maybe wrong, but from what I have heard, a good percentage of passengers on the DUB/SNN routes to JFK have a lot of connecting passengers flying onwards with Jet Blue too, so it could be arguable if they could fly the current 3x daily routes to JFK if it wasn't for Jet Blue offering connections.

EI also does not offer any business product on short haul, and this is the market that the Alliances are trying to catch, which is the most profitable.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):

EI flew the 3 daily to JFK long before the Jetblue deal!

And you would be VERY surprised how many are connecting from large European cities through DUB - after all, people still connect on BA at LHR coming from CDG or FRA for example!
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:17 am

What does the Aer Lingus premium cabin product look like? About 9 years ago I had Baileys as a client and flew them a few times and it was really awful, convenient, but awful. And at the time, you'd better like green interiors or put your green eyeshades on fast!
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:22 am

EI revamped their J class cabin (and Y class too) in 2007-2009. Colours are more muted.

Not sure if there are any A330 J class trip reports recently added to A.Net
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:29 am

Might as well. A couple of German boards are claiming A3 is on its way out for *A- apparently they will leave in Jan 2013. Maybe its a replacement?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:36 am

I doubt Star would invite EI unless EI changes their TATL pricing structure. Their competitors hate EI's cheap oneway TATL flights..
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:49 am

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 17):
Might as well. A couple of German boards are claiming A3 is on its way out for *A- apparently they will leave in Jan 2013. Maybe its a replacement?

Why would A3 leave Star? They are a small regional carrier that benefits enormously from feed at Star hubs across Europe.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:02 am

I hope EI joins Star! Seeing a green shamrock tail in the lineup at IAH's terminal D would be awesome!    But I know that has a snowballs chance in Hell of happening. A UA flight to DUB or SNN from IAH, has at least an icebergs chance in Hell, however... Lol.

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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:07 am

Quoting LOWS (Reply 19):

Your guess is as good as mine.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:13 pm

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
AC added,they would also be moving to T2 early next year.

You do realise thats T2 LHR the report is commenting on, not T2 DUB!
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 22):

AC are also moving to T2 Dublin next year
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 22):
You do realise thats T2 LHR the report is commenting on, not T2 DUB!

Yes,I do. Moving to T2 at LHR must be a given as I imagine T1 will cease to exist at some point. Had no idea DUB had more than one terminal. I'll put Ireland on my bucket list. One shouldn't read too much into the recent interline/code-sharing agreement,other than I hope it should be beneficial to both airlines. Having said that,it would be nice to see EI one day operating year-round to Canada with AC as a partner.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
They are moving to the LHR terminal for STAR, not the one for non aligned carriers, that's interesting.

I thought that was to do with the fact they are flying RoI-UK and UK domestic and T3/T4 can only handle international arrivals. I think this is more a pragmatic way to deal with CBP rather than a hint at alliance aspirations.
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:51 am

When does LHR's T2 open? The websites I've read indicate 2014, so how can AC/EI move there next year?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:18 am

In all likelihood, AC will be moving to Terminal 1 @ LHR with SK, swapping for BA's ex-BD gates.
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RE: Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 27):
In all likelihood, AC will be moving to Terminal 1 @ LHR with SK, swapping for BA's ex-BD gates.

It does make sense that in order to possibly move to T1 there would need to be a trade. Thought it was AC and EI intent to move to the new T2 once open,don't understand why AC would want to move twice?