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Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:27 pm

Was taking departure photos this morning at Manchester Airport and caught Cathay Pacific passenger 744 B-HUD taking off. Looked like it was going West, at least initially. As Cathay only has cargo flights to MAN, anyone knows what this passenger plane was doing here? Diversion from LHR?

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:53 pm

I believe someone posted a topic on this a short while ago. It's off to the USA (?) to be scrapped. Shame. Could it not be found a new home?
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:58 pm

IIRC it is destined to be scapped at Bruntingthorpe.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:08 pm

Kemble is its final resting place.

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:43 pm

B-HUD operated flight number CX3339 from XMN direct to MAN before being ferried to Kemble.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:01 pm

Believe aircraft had to clear customs at MAN before departing to Kemble for scrapping.

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:38 pm

Ahh, bummer. I was on that bird beginning of the month SFO-HKG.

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:39 pm

Arrived at Kemble about 1000 Saturday.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:02 pm

I looked at Kemble Airport using Google Maps. Noticed two other 747s there, but more notable was how SHORT the runway is   
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:15 pm

If you were looking at the Main Gate area, these were G-MKCA and G-MKGA parked since MK Airlines folded in 2008/2009.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:31 pm

Oh no... I did not get to fly it before it is scraped...
I guess I can never claim flying every CX passenger 747-400... lol... I am missing B-HUD and B-HKV on my list.

Thanks for the pictures!

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:31 pm

B-HUD was delivered in December 1992, so nearly 20 years old. Here it is at Kemble, rest in peace, B-HUD:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/8014978436_265e21022d_c.jpg
B-HUD Boeing 747-467, Cathay Pacific, Kemble, 22 September 2012 by Kev Slade, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8301/8017147676_02833fd195_c.jpg
B-HUD Boeing 747-467, Cathay Pacific, Kemble, 22 September 2012 by Kev Slade, on Flickr

Looks like it did a flypast also:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kev_sla...019043248/in/set-72157631598358616
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:03 am

Why was HUD pulled from service before any of the older 744's in the CX fleet ?
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:10 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):
Why was HUD pulled from service before any of the older 744's in the CX fleet ?

Probably due for a D check that the older ones have already undergone.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:11 am

B-HOT has already been retired as well, and will probably end up in Kemble soon.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:40 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 11):
Looks like it did a flypast also:

Looks like they joined overhead for a visual circuit to land, Kemble does not have any instrument approaches as far as I understand.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:20 pm

B-HOT is due to leave HKG on the 29th, bound for MAN then Kemble. Chance to get two CX744s on the ground there!
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:51 pm

I'm very surprised CX is retiring a sub 20 year old 744. I just assumed they'd keep them for a few more years, or sell it on to another operator/conversion.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:57 pm

Given the cost of a D check, I am not that surprised.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:05 pm

The 744 in CX operation needs around 90% load factor to make money because of the fuel prices. This has been discussed in other threads. Given the costs of a D check and engine overhaul costs, retirement is the only reasonable option. We have 9 777-300ERs being delivered in 2013 and a cut back in our longhaul schedule for winter 12/13. This is allowing several 744s to be retired. Our passenger 744fleet will be halved by the end of next year!
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 16):
Chance to get two CX744s on the ground there!

Probably more like 15, in very very small pieces, literally on the ground.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:20 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 20):
Probably more like 15, in very very small pieces, literally on the ground.

I know it's progress and the 77W's are moneymakers, but damn it's a bummer to see such iconic planes headed for the bin.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:39 am

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 21):

I know it's progress and the 77W's are moneymakers, but damn it's a bummer to see such iconic planes headed for the bin.

I think it is safe to say they paid themselves off, and then some. The earlier plan was to convert all of them to BCFs, they did not turn out as good as the brochure. So the options are, give the aircraft away to your competitors for X, or sell them for scrap and parts which is worth more than X and does not leave your seat product in the hands of your competitors.

The positive out of this should be more parts available for the existing 744 fleet in other airlines to keep them economical for longer.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:36 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 22):
I know it's progress and the 77W's are moneymakers, but damn it's a bummer to see such iconic planes headed for the bin.

Very sad to see another beautiful 747 bite the dust,I love these birds!
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:27 am

Does anyone know how many hours/cycles B-HUD had done when she reached retirement? It would be interesting to compare it to Lufthansa's first 747-400 (D-ABVA) which was scrapped last year.

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 21):
I know it's progress and the 77W's are moneymakers, but damn it's a bummer to see such iconic planes headed for the bin.

Yes, very sad to see this fall from grace.

It is a shame the JumboHostel lot at ARN are not looking to expand their product across some more airports. The nice thing with that model is that the majority of the parts can still be used for spare as the plane becomes a static.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 22):
and does not leave your seat product in the hands of your competitors.

Certainly agree, just lamenting. Do you guys keep much hardware or just turn these birds over as-is?
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:08 pm

What time would B-HOT leave HK this Sat?
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:43 pm

Why airline companies sometimes choose for Victorville, Mojave, Kemble etc. Ofcourse it must have something to do with the prices, but is the difference that much? Lately more and more airlines bring their aircraft to Kemble I noticed.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:04 pm

Sad to see another 744 being scrapped   especially a Cathay one! They look so elegant... And I've got the ITVV video of the Cathay 747-400 with Don Grange! So good but I guess they've had there time!

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting EVAAIRBR076 (Reply 28):
Why airline companies sometimes choose for Victorville, Mojave, Kemble etc. Ofcourse it must have something to do with the prices, but is the difference that much? Lately more and more airlines bring their aircraft to Kemble I noticed.

Probably a combination of the cost of ferrying the aircraft as well as how much each scrapyard is willing to pay.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:12 pm

It is indeed an unusual sight to see a CX 747-400 heading off into retirement. One of the first books I ever read regarding aviation eagerly anticipated the delivery of Cathay's 747-400s to the fleet! Does anyone remember the Kai Tak based L-1011 Tristars?????

What is the monthly cost of a 19 year old 747-400 in comparison to a 1 year old 777-300ER? Aren't Cathay's 744s bought and paid for? Cathay's accountants have made mistakes before, ala dumping the 747-200s due to "higher" sector costs than a new A330. Sector costs are one thing but the overall cost of the lease/payment, insurance etc needs to be included. Time marches on but we shall see where CX sits in a few years with having to pay off plenty of new 77Ws and A350 series aircraft all at once.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:54 am

I guess that answered my question and more. Thought I add a photo of B-HUD during it's last take off, from Manchester Airport on the 22nd of September:



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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:09 am

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 27):
What time would B-HOT leave HK this Sat?

9:20am from memory.
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:25 am

Ah no, not another airline ditching 747s! I had my first ever CX B744 flight only last June, ending an 18 year gap between 747 rides (The last being in 1994 on flight EI133 SNN-BOS only months before EI retired their 747 fleet). I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. It was great to finally fly the worlds most iconic aircraft with one of the world's most iconic airlines. Sure, the A330 on the HKG-MEL leg of my trip was quieter and the seats were a little bigger and more comfortable, but it wasn't a B747. I can't wait to my first trip home to Ireland for another chance to fly a CX 747 but it seems like I shouldn't leave it too long from the sounds of it.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:21 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 19):

The 744 in CX operation needs around 90% load factor to make money because of the fuel prices. This has been discussed in other threads. Given the costs of a D check and engine overhaul costs, retirement is the only reasonable option. We have 9 777-300ERs being delivered in 2013 and a cut back in our longhaul schedule for winter 12/13. This is allowing several 744s to be retired. Our passenger 744fleet will be halved by the end of next year!

Very sad developments at CX, but most of the 744s in the green fleet is over 20 years old and CX utillisation quite high as much as I know. B-HOT must be way over 100.000 hours, -HUD wont be there as its 3 years younger.

Sigh, whats more boring than a bunch of 77Ws replacing the 747! CX should finally order REAL planes again, 748s or A380s, come on!
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:34 am

Sad to see Cathay parking so many 744 especially when they expanded the fleet by buying several ex-Singapore Air Pratt powered 744's. Now the question is will Cathay ever buy anything bigger then a 777 ?
 
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 36):
Now the question is will Cathay ever buy anything bigger then a 777 ?

Sadly, like so many airlines who for so long the B747 formed the backbone of their fleet, it is hard to see CX ever ordering anything bigger than the B777. Perhaps we might see a small fleet of A380s to operate on some of the premium routes like HKG-LHR but the bigger picuture is that this move by CX means that we are witnessing yet more boring twins taking over the skies. I owe my interest in aviation to the B747 so it is painful to see them disappearing so rapidly.

I hope the B747-8 starts to pick up more orders because like all other 747 models, it to is a beauty. Sadly, it is hard to see it gaining any significant share in the passenger market.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting CX747 (Reply 31):
What is the monthly cost of a 19 year old 747-400 in comparison to a 1 year old 777-300ER? Aren't Cathay's 744s bought and paid for?

Some 744s are due for heavy maintenance and several engines are due for an overhaul (that alone is $8 millions a piece). Cathay isn't retiring the 744s to save money on fuel (although it certainly helps), but to avoid the expense of maintaining them.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 19):
We have 9 777-300ERs being delivered in 2013 and a cut back in our longhaul schedule for winter 12/13.

Was 9 the plan all along? I have a market intelligence document from earlier this year quoting 8 deliveries. Has one been delayed from 2012 or brought forward from 2014, or is that "intelligence" not totally so?
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:57 pm

I have hopes for the 748i. Hope that is fading...

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 17):
or sell it on to another operator/conversion.

Looking at the freight market and unconverted 744 prices... cheaper to buy a BCF used. Seriously. I'll have to let one of those with access to used aircraft prices quote though.

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 18):
Given the cost of a D check, I am not that surprised.

What is the current cost of a D-check? The numbers I have are old and thus probably on the high side.

Quoting EVAAIRBR076 (Reply 28):
Why airline companies sometimes choose for Victorville, Mojave, Kemble etc

Often scrapping is done by auction. CX would include the cost to ferry to the site and then pick the highest bid. CX would be free to specify other particulars. e.g., return the engines and seats.

The other option is CX puts out a scrapping plan and the yard bids to execute. e.g., CX wants the parts and the yard bids cost and schedule.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 37):
I owe my interest in aviation to the B747 so it is painful to see them disappearing so rapidly.

I love the 747 and I have yet to fly the Atlantic on anything else. But their time is coming.

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 14):
B-HOT has already been retired as well, and will probably end up in Kemble soon.

I'm curious to know why CX ferry the aircraft to Kemble and Mojave as many other carriers choose to do so...?

When did JetStar start up in Kemble Big grin

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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 40):
I'm curious to know why CX ferry the aircraft to Kemble and Mojave as many other carriers choose to do so...?

As Lightsaber noted above, the aircraft are sold to third parties who then scrap them. Kemble has an established scrapping facility. See below:

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GA Telesis LLC announces that it will be adding three 747-400s to its inventory with provisions to add fifteen additional B747-400s. The ex-Cathay Pacific Airways B747-400s are powered by both RB211 and PW4056 engines. The aircraft will enter the GA Telesis disassembly production line in Kemble, UK, next week, with the disassembly and remarketing being led by GA Telesis, UK and GA Telesis LLC. The first few aircraft will be dismantled by Air Salvage.
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RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:17 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 41):

Thank you for the details Mr CX Flyboy 

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