delta fly boy
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767 Help!

Tue Oct 17, 2000 7:20 pm

OK... if ANYONE can help me...

I have been driving myself crazy trying to figure out how to tell the difference between the 767-300 and the 767-300ER by the exterior, (especially on Delta). Is there any feature or features that distinguish these two aircraft?? If anyone can help.. : )
 
gkirk
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RE: 767 Help!

Tue Oct 17, 2000 7:26 pm

Does it not say near the back of the a/c whether it is a -300 or -300ER? Otherwise i dont think there is an external difference.
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delta fly boy
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RE: 767 Help!

Tue Oct 17, 2000 7:40 pm

I know on Delta they do not have it anywhere on the a/c. yet I always see on this site, some say 767-300, and some 767-300ER, but I can't see any difference!
 
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RE: 767 Help!

Tue Oct 17, 2000 8:53 pm

There is no obvious visual difference. Delta's -300ERs may have different engines (they have both Pratt and GE on their 767s).

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dutchjet
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RE: 767 Help!

Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:31 am

As far as I know, from the exterior, the only clue is the registration number and then checking a fleet list. Being that DL was PW and GE powers 300s and 300ERs, that also does not help. The only planes that are obviously ERs are the several acquired from GulF Air a few years ago, they have a mid-cabin door.
 
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RE: 767 Help!

Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:58 am

There are no external differences between these two aircraft. Aircraft painted in the old old livery say "Boeing 767" in the rear of the aircraft but it does not specify which variant (-300 or -300ER).
 
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Possibly An Answer...

Wed Oct 18, 2000 2:59 am

I remember this question came up before and I say what I have said before; the only way I usually distinguish between an -ER and a non-ER is by the acronym ETOPS on the nose-gear doors. Here are some examples...
136DL is a B767-332 (non-ER), still in old colors ...

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Photo © Fernando Perez


128DL is also a B767-332 (non-ER), in new colors (bad quality image, but no ETOPS acronym)

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180DN is a B767-332ER, here still in old colors and "ETOPS" on gear-door...

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Photo © AirNikon


190DN is also a B767-332ER, shown here in new colors, including the word "ETOPS" on the door...

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Photo © Søren Geertsen


I rest my case.
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RE: 767 Help!

Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:57 am

I think there is a way to tell the difference between a DL 767-332 and a 767-332ER. This is what i have noticed about 2 planes.
On the 767-332s the forward cargo door is the regular smaller size, on the 767-332ER the forward cargo door is the larger wider door so it can fit the large cargo pallets and freight flats that are used on Intl flights. Most of this heavy cargo is loaded up front and needs the bigger door. This is how I can tell them apart, now im not 100% sure this applies to all DL 767-332s, but a DL mechanic told my this, and Ive seen it at various airports as well. All of AA 767-323s have the bigger forward doors.
 
delta fly boy
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Maybe Another Answer...

Wed Oct 18, 2000 10:54 am

Well, thanx guys for all your help...

About the foward cargo door being bigger, that's a great help, also the one about ETOPS written on the nose gear door. BUT, I was looking at pics of the two aircrafts, 767-332 and 332ER, and I noticed a diferent window pattern... I was wondering if this was distinct between the ER and non ER planes. But it seems that one one, there is a bigger gap where there are no windows right infront of the wing. just a thought...
 
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RE: 767 Help!

Wed Oct 18, 2000 11:01 am

Delta Fly Boy, I have also noticed this. I think it is for an added galley, but it is only on one side of the A/C. Check out this seat map of a -300ER

http://www.delta.com/travel/maps_guides/aircraft/b-767-300r/index.jsp

Then check out the -200

http://www.delta.com/travel/maps_guides/aircraft/b-767-300/index.jsp
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N960AS
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RE: 767 Help!

Wed Oct 18, 2000 1:44 pm

Roughly N116-140DL/DE/DN/LL/A are 767-300s
N171DN/DL+ are 767-300ERs, but that is from a kind of dated book.

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RE: 767 Help!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 9:50 am

If you can see the difference, here it is, all of delta's 767-300's have GE CF6-80's and the 300ER's have only PW4060 engines (or it was in my last edition of JP worlds fleets that I have). I can see the difference, but it is not easy unless they are close. So this probably will be help to no one. Last note, some ER's with the old paint schemes have a US flag on the top of the fin, but it is not on the several new paint schemes that delta has now.

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RE: 767 Help!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 11:35 am

As just mentioned a U.S. flag on the top of the vertical stabilizer on an a/c with the old paint is a dead giveaway between a -300er and a 300. Also, there is a large round antenna on the top of the a/c 2/3 of the way back on an ER. There is also a missing series of windows on both sides of the aircraft just forward of the window exits. The former Gulf Air and Asiana aircraft that DL acquired have 6 doors and 2 overwing exits as oppposed to the 4 doors and 4 window exits on the rest of the fleet. These a/c are ER's. Also, all of the subsequent 767-300 deliveries for DL will be ER's in either domestic or Int'l configuration.
 
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RE: 767 Help!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 12:59 pm

DL flies 767-300ER's with both the PW and GE powerplants.

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