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RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:35 am

Flight Attendant Tries to Bring Loaded Gun Through Airport Security

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"A Republic Airlines flight attendant was detained and then charged with disorderly conduct after she attempted to pass through security at the Philadelphia International Airport with a loaded .38 revolver in her purse, triggering an incident in which police accidentally discharged the weapon while securing it, authorities said."

[Edited 2012-09-23 20:37:41]
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:43 am

Quoting nzblue (Thread starter):
triggering an incident in which police accidentally discharged the weapon

seriously? Someone needs walking papers.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:00 am

First of all, the F/A was a cretin for trying to get the revolver through and she'll probably plead memory loss as to why it was in her purse. The cop was a first class idiot. The best way would have been to put plasticuffs through the trigger guard and around the hammer, tighten it, and then take it down to the station for unloading. Is that model a single or double action. Either way, it takes quite a bit of pressure to turn the cylinder.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:25 am

This FA got extremely lucky to not be handcuffed in front of everyone and escorted to jail like Amber Robillard did in IND in 2010. Article below, fair use:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/f...-with-gun-arrested-at-indy-airport
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:55 am

The police ACCIDENTALLY DISCHARGED a firearm!?!?

This country is now ~OFFICIALLY~ going to hell in a hand basket.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:02 pm

I hope it discharged into a clearing barrel.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
The police ACCIDENTALLY DISCHARGED a firearm!?!?

I'd like to see more details, but from what I've seen, there was an abundance of stupidity that morning.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
I hope it discharged into a clearing barrel.

She (the cop) discharged it into the wall, according to one report; the Philadelphia Inquirer says the "ground". She broke the rule that if you are not familiar with the weapon, you are to call a boss who will clear it. So she's off to desk duty and retraining.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/lo...t_brought_to_airport_goes_off.html

She doesn't know how to clear a revolver?!  Wow!


PS Ironic name for the f/a's choice of weapon. Also replace "weight" with "head" to get appropriate description of the two people involved.

PPS Photo of type of gun involved: http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm...nd-wesson-637-38-special-airweight

[Edited 2012-09-24 08:07:19]
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):

This FA got extremely lucky to not be handcuffed in front of everyone and escorted to jail like Amber Robillard did in IND in 2010

The saving grace for the current f/a appears to be that unlike Ms. Robillard, the current f/a has a carry permit. So the charge is in the nature of bringing a licensed weapon into a secure area rather than carrying an unlicensed weapon.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:19 pm

Most S&W Airweights sold are hammerless (442 & 642). The cop was an idiot if she doesn't know how to open a cylinder on a revolver, but it doesn't surprise me. Most cops aren't gun people.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 7):
PPS Photo of type of gun involved: http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm...eight

Is the FA a NYPD detective from 1976?

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):


The saving grace for the current f/a appears to be that unlike Ms. Robillard, the current f/a has a carry permit.

In what State?
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting johns624 (Reply 9):
Most cops aren't gun people


I think a better wording would have been "most TSA employees are not gun people"...
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 11):
I think a better wording would have been "most TSA employees are not gun people"...

Did you even read the article? The gun was discharged by a airport police officer. TSA had nothing to do with it.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
In what State?

According to the article, she apparently lives in Pennsylvania and reported to work at PHL from home at 6am with the gun still in her purse. Her permit is from Pennsylvania. She is actually lucky that the TSA didn't miss it at PHL and catch it in some other state where her permit is not valid.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:22 pm

American gun law has always been beyond me but how does someone (particularly a FA) forget that they have a device as lethal as that in their bag?

Simply terrifying!
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting johns624 (Reply 12):
Did you even read the article? The gun was discharged by a airport police officer


some how missed that... however I object to the generic "cops"
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 1):

seriously? Someone needs walking papers.

Do you fire someone anytime something happens, without considering the possibility that they may not have been at fault?

Nothing a bit of retraining won't handle even if she did screw up.

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 2):
The best way would have been to put plasticuffs through the trigger guard and around the hammer, tighten it, and then take it down to the station for unloading.

If you don't know how to unload a gun, you have no business messing with the hammer or going anywhere near the trigger. Sit and wait until someone who knows how to make it safe shows up.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:42 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):

It's quite easy to forget things.

My sister played fast pitch softball when she was young and all throughout High School. She was so good, that she got a full ride to college for softball and has since been inducted into the hall of fame and still holds all the pitching records there... But anyways, part of her training/ warm ups was using a hammer to swing around as a weight. She kept it in her training backpack.

Her senior year, we were going to Florida for the spring break Rebel Games which was where they started their season at and she forgot the hammer was in her bag. That bag was a carry on and when she went through security it was found... Lucky for her, it was spring 2001 and not 2002 and it was just taken by security. But things do happen.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Do you fire someone anytime something happens, without considering the possibility that they may not have been at fault?

Tell you what, you go discharge a gun in a airport and see what you get. Its not retraining I'm quite certain.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:57 pm

If you cannot clear a common handgun, you should not be a police officer.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 19):
If you cannot clear a common handgun, you should not be a police officer.

Is this tought in police training though (other than their own eqipped handpiece of course). But yes what a cockup of events that day !!
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:23 am

If you bring a 'common' handgun through security by accident, you shouldn't be an airline employee.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:37 am

When I got hired for Southwest I went to the airport early in the morning to go to Chicago for my ID badge. I left with a knife in my pocket that morning and forget to take it out my pocket when leaving the car. Luckily I remembered before I got to security and trashed it in the bathroom. Only reason I remembered was because I felt something heavy in my back pocket. So things like this do happen. But in terms of the gun not knowing how to unload a revolver? That's ridiculous.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 21):
If you bring a 'common' handgun through security by accident, you shouldn't be an airline employee.

I meant a common type of handgun, not that it's common to bring them to the airport.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
the current f/a has a carry permit

It makes no difference, carry permit or not, she should have been hauled off to jail. She got lucky, REAL lucky. But she should have been cuffed and escorted to jail.

The rules remain, never bring a gun through the airport security checkpoint.

[Edited 2012-09-24 20:19:50]
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:10 am

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 18):

Tell you what, you go discharge a gun in a airport and see what you get. Its not retraining I'm quite certain.

Considering I'm not a police officer, I would likely wind up in jail if I wasn't shot at first.  

That being said, I find it funny that you say you are "quite certain" of something that frankly, isn't true. Just because it's an airport doesn't mean the accident is any more or less serious than it is anywhere else.

I still find it disturbing how many people think an airport should be treated like a nuclear power plant. 9/11 really did a number on this nation's mental health.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 19):
If you cannot clear a common handgun, you should not be a police officer.

If that were the case, very few people would be qualified to become an officer. There are literally hundreds of different types of firearms, and many are not in the best condition or have been modified.

So until YOU know how to clear every single "common handgun", maybe you should not be so judgmental.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 21):
If you bring a 'common' handgun through security by accident, you shouldn't be an airline employee.

I've accidentally left a multi-tool in my bag going to work once. Mistakes happen.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 24):

It makes no difference, carry permit or not, she should have been hauled off to jail.

The pathological fear of guns also continues to irk me, as does ignorance of how the criminal justice system works.

However, it's possible that was going to happen until the cop screwed up and fired the gun. As it is, she still faces her day in court, and possibly a day or two in jail and a hefty fine... as it should be. I'm not suggesting she get off scot free, but ruining someone's life over an honest mistake is just mean.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:05 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 25):
I'm not suggesting she get off scot free, but ruining someone's life over an honest mistake is just mean.

But she KNEW the rules. I'm not buying the "oh, I forgot it was in my bag" excuse. She should have known it was in her bag, she's responsible for it. Therefore, she should have been hauled off to jail, carry permit or none. It's common sense.

Now, the discharging of the weapon is a separate issue that will be dealt with in some way, I assume. This does not, in any way relieve the FA of the screw up. She's still on the hook for trying to enter a secure area with a deadly weapon.

Did the FA still make her flight? What is/was RW's response? Will they terminate her? IMO, she clearly does not deserve her job any longer.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:57 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
She should have known it was in her bag, she's responsible for it. Therefore, she should have been hauled off to jail,

That's quite a leap. Why exactly should she be "hauled off to jail"? To make a point?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
It's common sense.

You really should learn what that phrase means. It does NOT mean that just because you don't ever make mistakes, everyone who does needs to be "hauled off to jail".

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
This does not, in any way relieve the FA of the screw up

Nor did I suggest anything like that.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
She's still on the hook for trying to enter a secure area with a deadly weapon.

Which is exactly what I said.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
IMO, she clearly does not deserve her job any longer.

Again, if we fired everyone who ever made a rather large goof, there would be nobody left to do anything.

And again, I say that the heavy handed response stems from a pathological fear of guns.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:14 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 27):
That's quite a leap. Why exactly should she be "hauled off to jail"? To make a point?

I mentioned Amber Robillard in the thread, and posted the story about what appended to her. The law enforcement in IND did the correct thing. The law enforcement in this case, the thread we are discussing, screwed up.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 27):
You really should learn what that phrase means.

I think you do. It means using your head. You don't bring guns or any weapon to the airport, period. End of discussion.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 27):
Again, if we fired everyone who ever made a rather large goof, there would be nobody left to do anything.

Not true. But it's your opinion.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 27):
And again, I say that the heavy handed response stems from a pathological fear of guns.

Really?! Fear of guns have nothing to do with it. Where did you get this idea?! LOL!

I'm a proud NRA member and a gun lover, for the record. What this FA did was beyond stupid. She shouldn't be an airline employee.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:23 pm

Rather the pathological fear of guns in a metal tube accidentally discharged
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:49 pm

The F/A should have her permit revoked for a period of time and pay a fine. Jail should depend on the rules of the facility, if posted, etc. For example, courts that I've visited in Miami have huge notices and warnings stating you WILL go to jail if you attempt to pass through security with a firearm. Mistake or not... At my area airports, MIA/FLL there is bold print on the doors that clearly state firearms are not welcome.

That said, I don't know how anyone forgets a gun and these people, IMO, shouldn't be licensed to carry. What's the point of carrying a gun if you don't know where it is at all times? It's an incredible responsibility and each time I carry I ensure it is safe for both myself and the general public. Everyone makes honest mistakes but if you're the type to make those with a loaded gun in a sensitive area, just leave it at home.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 29):

Rather the pathological fear of guns in a metal tube accidentally discharged

When you check in a weapon, the CSR is responsible to ensure that the gun is unloaded and no round is in the chamber, then the customer has to declare the weapon and sign a limited liability waiver and insert the gun case with said weapon. There should be no accidental discharge on the aircraft it would be flying on.

The fear of an accidental discharge is a myth, really.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:45 pm

This is an overreaction by those that are calling for the FA to be fired. She had a CWP and it was an oversight. Her oversight was much less endangering than the police officer that fired the weapon.

The TSA at PHL has a checkered past. TSA Agents planting fake cocaine in passnegers bags, hiring sex offenders to screen; this is just a sampling of issues at PHL!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...use-now-works-for-tsa-report-says/

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...detail-tsa-officers-cocaine-pranks


The TSA has numerous on their own staff that could not qualify for a CWP or even VOTE in an election!

http://www.wsvn.com/features/articles/carmelcase/MI90493/


The flight attendant mistake was not nearly as egregious as the above examples lawlessness that oversees our security. She had taken the time to get qualified to carry a weapon and went through the proper channels. She could very well have had a gun without a CWP and that would have been much worse. In this instance she deserves a break and the Police Officer should be retrained at a minimum and perhaps terminated based on the dangerous act of discharging the weapon.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:43 pm

Quoting jrodATC (Reply 30):
For example, courts that I've visited in Miami have huge notices and warnings stating you WILL go to jail if you attempt to pass through security with a firearm. Mistake or not... At my area airports, MIA/FLL there is bold print on the doors that clearly state firearms are not welcome.

   DEN has the exact same rule. You WILL go to jail if you attempt to bring a firearm through the security checkpoint. This is also posted in on all entry doors leading into Jeppessen Terminal.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 32):
This is an overreaction by those that are calling for the FA to be fired.

How so? The FA I pointed out earlier got fired from her job. When you are in uniform at an airport, reporting to work, you are representing your company. It would be a huge mis-representation by you to be caught by the TSA and charged by the local law enforcement on a weapons charge. That is enough to terminate someone alone.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 32):
She had a CWP

   Again, it does not matter, it does not make a difference. When you are going through the CCW course, they teach you everything what you can and cannot do with the CCW. The CCW does NOT, again, DOES NOT protect you in any situation. It does not guarentee that you will be protected from any weapons charges.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 32):
She had taken the time to get qualified to carry a weapon and went through the proper channels.

If that was the case, she would have not brought the gun with her in the first place. This shows irresponsibility on her part and she deserves to be fired and her CCW revoked for life.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 32):
In this instance she deserves a break

   Sorry, she does not. She knew the rules about bringing prohibited items through airport security. Everyone has to abide by the same rules. She is not above the law.

Quoting jrodATC (Reply 30):
That said, I don't know how anyone forgets a gun and these people, IMO, shouldn't be licensed to carry.

   I 100% agree with this statement! I am not buying that she simply "forgot" it was in her luggage. That is irresponsible on HER part!

Quoting jrodATC (Reply 30):
What's the point of carrying a gun if you don't know where it is at all times?

   If you cannot keep track of where your weapons are, you should not be handling weapons, period. FULL STOP.

Even the NRA would agree with me.
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Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 25):
If that were the case, very few people would be qualified to become an officer. There are literally hundreds of different types of firearms, and many are not in the best condition or have been modified.

So until YOU know how to clear every single "common handgun", maybe you should not be so judgmental.

Every gun is loaded. It's the first rule.

I'm confident I can clear any common handgun or rifle, and a few common light infantry weapons. Big grin

If I weren't sure of how to clear it, I know how to leave it alone.

[Edited 2012-09-25 17:45:03]
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:18 am

Again...it's a revolver, and likely one with a double-action-only hammer. To accidently-fire this weapon when trying to clear it is an amazing feat of ineptitude. (OTOH, if it had a hammer-tail, then I suppose it could get snagged when removing from purse, but still...)
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:04 am

Modern revolvers have a "hammer block" or transfer bar safety system. I don't believe they will fire unless the trigger itself is pulled. The hammer block is only removed by pulling the trigger. Hitting or flicking the hammer will not fire a modern revolver.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:09 am

I wasn't clear enough; I just meant that it mystified me what she could screw up (i.e. press down on cylinder release latch, push cylinder open, remove ammunition, done) with a double-action-only revolver, so I surmised that maybe it was not DAO and the hammer spur had caught on something, causing it to be cocked, and she did something stupid from there to cause it to fire. Otherwise, the only way you accidentally-discharge this thing is by pulling the trigger to see if it's loaded.  
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 33):
If you cannot keep track of where your weapons are, you should not be handling weapons, period. FULL STOP.

Even the NRA would agree with me.

I 100% agree with this statement! I am not buying that she simply "forgot" it was in her luggage. That is irresponsible on HER part!


The FA had a CWP and failed to remember her gun. It seems even FAM's can't keep track of their weapons and they carry them at all times!

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/n...98/15992378/-/kyvar6z/-/index.html

You said she should be fired. However the TSA doesn't even fire it's own employees for the same mistake
http://www.azcentral.com/video/1432505394001

Have you ever made a mistake on the job? I take it you are an AS mechanic. If I remember correctly there is a significant accident on the record at AS due to a maintenance error. Did you support termination and public naming of those involved in that crash?

Mistakes happen. She wasn't bringing the gun for illicit purposes. People make mistakes and she is guilty of an error. A young lady that lives in PHL is probably best suited to have a CWP. It isn't the safest place to reside.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting mcdu (Reply 39):
The FA had a CWP and failed to remember her gun.

One mo' time.... It does not matter if she had a CCW or not. That is a moot point. I'm not buying the "she failed to remember" argument. If you don't know where your weapons are, you have ZERO business handling nor owning a weapon. You just don't "forget". That's something you need to understand. CCW's do not protect you from any gun charge except for carrying said weapon. That's about it.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 39):
It seems even FAM's can't keep track of their weapons and they carry them at all times!

Source?

Quoting mcdu (Reply 39):
You said she should be fired. However the TSA doesn't even fire it's own employees for the same mistake

We are not talking about the TSA in this case. We are talking about a FA, a FLIGHT ATTENDANT. Flight attendant, the ones who fly in the tube, providing drinks and snacks. Yeah, those folks employed by airlines. The TSA doesn't employ FA's.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 39):
Have you ever made a mistake on the job?

Not when going through security, no. I'm not that stupid, I wouldn't want to lose my SIDA.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 39):
I take it you are an AS mechanic.

Former AS mechanic. I'm with UA now.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 39):
If I remember correctly there is a significant accident on the record at AS due to a maintenance error. Did you support termination and public naming of those involved in that crash?

If you're referring to 261, then yes. One of those guys was my boss, who got fired after the fact.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 39):
Mistakes happen.

Mistakes do happen, but not these kinds of mistakes. This is the fastest way to lose your SIDA badge. If you don't have your SIDA, you can't work. Then you're a no show at work. That then leads to termination because you lost your SIDA.

I cannot emphasize this enough: a person cannot bring a gun to the airport and security checkpoint. It's illegal and you WILL go to jail. It seems like some people cannot grasp this simple concept. It's not that difficult to follow and understand. But hey, if jail is your thing, getting jiggy with your cellmate named Tiny, then go for it.
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Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
Mistakes do happen, but not these kinds of mistakes. This is the fastest way to lose your SIDA badge. If you don't have your SIDA, you can't work. Then you're a no show at work. That then leads to termination because you lost your SIDA.

I cannot emphasize this enough: a person cannot bring a gun to the airport and security checkpoint. It's illegal and you WILL go to jail. It seems like some people cannot grasp this simple concept. It's not that difficult to follow and understand. But hey, if jail is your thing, getting jiggy with your cellmate named Tiny, then go for it.

You say you "will" go to jail, and yet this flight attendant didn't (at least not yet). Also, I work with someone that left a handgun in her purse while going through security. She had her badge suspended for 6 months, but neither lost her job nor was arrested.

It must be really nice to be so perfect as to be okay with ruining somebody's life because they made ONE mistake.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
You say you "will" go to jail, and yet this flight attendant didn't (at least not yet).

She got lucky that she didn't get hauled off to jail in front of everyone like she deserves to. At DEN, on the doors leading into Jeppesen terminal, it clearly states that guns are prohibited and it also posts the penalty for doing so: jail.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
She had her badge suspended for 6 months, but neither lost her job nor was arrested.

If she had her SIDA suspended, then she wasn't in an airport location job. She may have been working in an office off the airport property. So, she probably didn't need it much.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
It must be really nice to be so perfect as to be okay with ruining somebody's life because they made ONE mistake.

It didn't stop IND from pressing charges on Amber Robillard, hauling her off in front of everyone in handcuffs behind her back, taking her to jail. Her employer later terminated her on this one very offense, which was the correct course of action. You can actually find this on YouTube with her being escorted into a patrol car in her uniform.

I find it quite appalling here that some posters here are actively supporting the actions of a few who try to get guns through airport security. It disgusts me to see that posters on here think its perfectly ok to do this and nothing will really happen to you when stopped at airport security. Thats a false sense of security. Sure, we make mistakes in life....bunch if them. I'm agreeing with that. But what I do not agree with is trying to get a gun past airport security is just a simple mistake. It isn't a mistake! It's sheer stupidity! You just don't "forget" you have a gun in your carry-on luggage. Forgetting something like this proves irresponsibility, full stop.

I cannot fathom forgetting that a gun was left in anyone's carry-on baggage at the airport, unless someone else packed your carry-on for you......
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
If you're referring to 261, then yes. One of those guys was my boss, who got fired after the fact.

Based on your desire to see this FA in jail (not sure what the fascination you have with jail) for mistaking my bringing a loaded weapon to the airport. Would you support jail time for the deaths caused by the mechanics in 261? They did something that directly led to the loss of lives. It could have been accidental on their part but what they did was against the a written policy therefore using your logic they should have been placed in jail. Perhaps even charged with either murder or involuntary manslaughter? You can pick the charges.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):

The difference between the 261 crash and bringing a gun through security are two totally different things, not the same level of crime. So, your comparison is moot, I'm not even going to start arguing that.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting aussie747 (Reply 20):
Is this tought in police training though (other than their own eqipped handpiece of course). But yes what a cockup of events that day !!

In general yes. And most handguns (either semi auto or revolver) operate fairly similar

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 31):
When you check in a weapon, the CSR is responsible to ensure that the gun is unloaded and no round is in the chamber, then the customer has to declare the weapon and sign a limited liability waiver and insert the gun case with said weapon. There should be no accidental discharge on the aircraft it would be flying on.

Actually the CSR does not touch any weapon. The passenger verbally declares the weapon unloaded, then signs the declaration stating the same. TSA may or may not inspect the gun.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 33):
If you cannot keep track of where your weapons are, you should not be handling weapons, period. FULL STOP.

I actually agree with you for once.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 39):
It's illegal and you WILL go to jail.

Nope, not necessarily. We have people do that here every now and then, and none of them have gone to jail. Gun confiscated, more than likely missed their flight and charges filed later.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 43):
The difference between the 261 crash and bringing a gun through security are two totally different things, not the same level of crime. So, your comparison is moot, I'm not even going to start arguing that.

You're right. AS261 killed 88 people, this incident killed 0.
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 44):

Lets agree to disagree because you're WRONG!
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:22 am

How the F#%& do you accidentally discharge a REVOLVER?!
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 46):

I was wondering the same thing, bro. You're not alone in this confusion!
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 47):
The difference between the 261 crash and bringing a gun through security are two totally different things, not the same level of crime.

Just to clear up confusion. In the case of the FA you believe she should get jail time for her oversight.


In the case of mechanic oversight leading to deaths, the mechanics get a pass.

I personally don't feel either deserve jail time. It just appears your level of punishment is nowhere near rational.
 
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RE: RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It

Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 45):
Lets agree to disagree because you're WRONG!

Since you didn't actually quote the content of my post....how about you point where you think I'm WRONG...?
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