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NWADTWE16
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AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:26 am

Handling alot more AA cancellations today and for the next three days..just wondering how everyone has been dealt with by AA? In 50% of the situations AA rebooked on something that was almost 24 hours off from the original flight. They are offering refunds when asked.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:56 am

This is what is bothering me. We return from BOS to ORD on AA on 10/14. A friend of mine is a pilot, so he checked loads. Our flight and every flight after ours is oversold by 5 to 7 seats. But, the inbound flight from ORD is less than half full. Assuming that AA is still suffering through crew and maintenance issues, that seems like a candidate for cancellation.

My wife has to be at work the next day, and our son has to be back in school. Staying in Boston overnight is not an option.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:59 am

I can tell you that already packed flights have been cancelled so im not sure there is really any method to the madness at this point..it is a fluid situation for sure so keep proactive to AA.com and best of luck
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:02 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 1):

I would call RES and politely ask to be put on a different carrier. You may want to wait until closer to your departure date to see how things at AA are going. If they are offering refunds they most likely will also be willing to route you on a different airline. I know lately I've had a lot of ppl on us who came from AA.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:43 am

So for those of us not aware, why is AA cancelling so many flights? Have Hawaii flights been affected?
My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:05 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 4):

Discussion underway here:

Lots Of AA Cancellations Today 9/17 (by ozark1 Sep 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)


Run an operation held together by only a few threads and then unilaterally screw your employees... well, that's what happens!
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:37 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 4):
So for those of us not aware, why is AA cancelling so many flights? Have Hawaii flights been affected?

So far only the MD83 and 737 flights have been affected, so no threat to Hawaii flights....yet.

N737AA
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:55 pm

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 5):
Run an operation held together by only a few threads and then unilaterally screw your employees... well, that's what happens!

Or .... have your pilots and mechanists take things into their own hands and screw the passengers .... well that's what happens.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 3):
I would call RES and politely ask to be put on a different carrier. You may want to wait until closer to your departure date to see how things at AA are going. If they are offering refunds they most likely will also be willing to route you on a different airline. I know lately I've had a lot of ppl on us who came from AA.

But, I have gold status at AA. If I get booke to another carrier, then I'm paying for checked bags, slumming it through through the main security checkpoint, sitting in the back of the plane, etc.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 8):

Sounding a bit entitled, arent' we? Take you chances with AA then and don't slum through security checkpoint and sit in the front of the AA plane if it in fact operates. Jeez. As crews runs out of legal hours expect even more last minute cancellations between now and the end of the month. I was struck at the decline in overall pilot count from this time last year. Not much room there for scheduling disruptions.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 8):
But, I have gold status at AA. If I get booke to another carrier, then I'm paying for checked bags, slumming it through through the main security checkpoint, sitting in the back of the plane, etc.

I had sympathy for your situation all the way up until this point. Apparently your bag fees, and "slumming" it through airport security is more important then your wife getting back to work and your kid going back to school!

Good Luck!
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:58 pm

I see that 4 of 5 flight from ORD to HPN today were delayed laat night, probably relaed to crew problems.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):

That's Chautauqua and believe me, they have their own set of problems independent of AA.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 1):
My wife has to be at work the next day, and our son has to be back in school. Staying in Boston overnight is not an option.

Hate to sound rude, but that's why you never plan to be back last second with the airlines. Even when they are at their highest on-time rates, best labor relations, etc, something can always happen...
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Hate to sound rude, but that's why you never plan to be back last second with the airlines.

He's obviously not planning it "last second," as there are multiple flights after his.

An airline where things are so bad that I have to leave a day or more of buffer is not an airline I'd like to fly.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 8):
But, I have gold status at AA. If I get booke to another carrier, then I'm paying for checked bags, slumming it through through the main security checkpoint, sitting in the back of the plane, etc.

Reminds me of the story of an American lady who, when told her that her TATL flight was cancelled due to the Icelandic Volcanic eruptions, queried whether that applied to her because she was travelling business class.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
An airline where things are so bad that I have to leave a day or more of buffer is not an airline I'd like to fly.

If you absolutely positively have to be there, you should be leaving a day of buffer on ANY airline.

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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
If you absolutely positively have to be there, you should be leaving a day of buffer on ANY airline.

On BOS-CHI, a route with some 30 daily flights on 4 carriers? Maybe in the winter, but other than that, give me a break.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 15):
Reminds me of the story of an American lady who, when told her that her TATL flight was cancelled due to the Icelandic Volcanic eruptions, queried whether that applied to her because she was travelling business class.

lol.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 8):
I would call RES and politely ask to be put on a different carrier. You may want to wait until closer to your departure date to see how things at AA are going. If they are offering refunds they most likely will also be willing to route you on a different airline. I know lately I've had a lot of ppl on us who came from AA.

Just try getting through to reservations! One of my co workers here has been on hold for 2 hours.

I have been loyal to American Airlines as my work takes me frequently to Latin America. However, I think it is time to change. Do they honestly expect consumers to stay with them while they continue to play their games?
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
If you absolutely positively have to be there, you should be leaving a day of buffer on ANY airline.

On BOS-CHI, a route with some 30 daily flights on 4 carriers? Maybe in the winter, but other than that, give me a break.

What if you have a bomb threat or something stupid that shuts down the airport for hours? I mean to each's own, and I hope ckfred made it back yesterday, but I'd still give at least a day of buffer. Blame whoever, but at the end of the day, you still have to tell your boss why YOU weren't back in time, and I'm sure the first thing out of his/her mouth was "shoulda came back a day earlier"
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):
Blame whoever, but at the end of the day, you still have to tell your boss why YOU weren't back in time, and I'm sure the first thing out of his/her mouth was "shoulda came back a day earlier"

I guess my bosses are different than yours, because I've never worked for a boss for whom "the airport was shut down for a bomb threat" was not an acceptable excuse. YMMV.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting N737AA (Reply 6):
So far only the MD83 and 737 flights have been affected, so no threat to Hawaii flights....yet.

FWIW, I flew through ORD and DFW last week, on MD80s and 737s, and all my flights were on time departures and arrivals. Even had the new Boeing Sky Interior yesterday out of DFW.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):

I guess my bosses are different than yours, because I've never worked for a boss for whom "the airport was shut down for a bomb threat" was not an acceptable excuse. YMMV.

No kidding... how ignorant would a boss have to be to not be understanding that crap happens from time to time?
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 1):
We return from BOS to ORD on AA on 10/14.

Pssst. There's a wonderful option available to you: Amtrak. Their train "The Lake Shore Limited" leaves Boston around noon and gets you to Chicago around 9:30 the next morning. You can book 2 roomettes, enjoy great hot meals at no charge and be 100% relaxed leading up to the trip and during the trip.

If I were you, I'd seriously consider it.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
If you absolutely positively have to be there, you should be leaving a day of buffer on ANY airline.

It is a very rare occurance for me to have any trouble same day flying. And I do it weekly. In the last two years I have been late only three times, and missed it entirely--well--never. Lucky I guess. YMMV.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 24):
There's a wonderful option available to you: Amtrak

I'm booked on AA on 10/11 IAH-MIA-STT and return on the 15th. Does Amtrak offer a Hover-Craft option?  
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:24 pm

Anyone notice how most of the cancellations have been cancelled the day prior, even though the press release AA put out blamed pilots on last minute write-ups at the time of departure?
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 27):
Anyone notice how most of the cancellations have been cancelled the day prior, even though the press release AA put out blamed pilots on last minute write-ups at the time of departure?

Most all cancelations are being coded OP ADM versus MECH or OP CREW. Just maybe everything coming out of Centerport is not as it seems. Makes you go HMMMMMMMMM?
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 24):
Pssst. There's a wonderful option available to you: Amtrak. Their train "The Lake Shore Limited" leaves Boston around noon and gets you to Chicago around 9:30 the next morning. You can book 2 roomettes, enjoy great hot meals at no charge and be 100% relaxed leading up to the trip and during the trip.

Do you know how much that will cost?

He might as well by F-class tickets on another airline and fly his whole family that way.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Do you know how much that will cost?

Or its on time performance, which I expect is abysmal?
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:37 pm

Quoting victrola (Reply 19):
I have been loyal to American Airlines as my work takes me frequently to Latin America. However, I think it is time to change. Do they honestly expect consumers to stay with them while they continue to play their games?

Maybe the creditors and management for AA hang out with the NFL owners and they all believe that their product is inelastic, fans are gonna watch whatever crap the replacement officials throw at us, pax are gonna continue to fly AA no matter what.  

Here's a serious question for the pilots who frequent the threads, is the pilot count low enough that the "work by the book" episode if "removed" will have no effect, can this only truly be resolved by recalling pilots, if recalls, how long does it take to get them back into the fleet, a month, two???
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 9):

and he should feel entitled. With elite status, he is the reason pilots have a job. I feel for the pilots, they have had a decade of bad leadership, but that is not the customer's fault. Customers pay the bills, which is something most airlines worldwide are forgeting. Keep your arguments between employees and mgmt in the bedroom where it belongs, and deliver the best experience to customers always. It doesn't matter why he cares about flying whatever airline he wants. He paid for a service, and he should get it.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:57 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 32):
Keep your arguments between employees and mgmt in the bedroom where it belongs, and deliver the best experience to customers always.

Often said, how exactly does one do this? AA actually went public with Chpt.11, and the laws allow them to tell their employees exactly how much they can make, where their pension and other benefits get off. Thebedroom door was thrown open, not kicked in  
Quoting cosyr (Reply 32):
It doesn't matter why he cares about flying whatever airline he wants. He paid for a service, and he should get it.

Workers are clients / customers also, they were told to work X and expect Y, now they be getting new math.

I'm trying to laugh because it makes your hear hurt to see what is taking place.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 26):

I'm booked on AA on 10/11 IAH-MIA-STT and return on the 15th. Does Amtrak offer a Hover-Craft option?

No, they don't, nor do they go Miami to Los Angeles because if they did, I would cancel my upcoming AA flight MIA-LAX and go Amtrak.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Do you know how much that will cost?

He might as well by F-class tickets on another airline and fly his whole family that way.

Probably around $800 or $900, but of course with all things Amtrak, if there are only a few roomettes left, those will be selling at a premium.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:07 pm

Part of the problem is very simple..... just like the last 10 years. The managment reuqested, and was granted the ability to throw the previous labor contract OUT. But they have nor road map for what is ahead, Pilots are being called by Operations but there is no rulebook in place to make the adjustments. So even those pilots.... WILLING to HELP by changing Schedules, have no idea what kind of rules they are suppose to follow.
I understand the situation is desperate.... and MANAGEMENT should have made a SHORT LIST of Operational RULES, BEFORE ACTUALLY operating outside the contract they asked the judge to throw out.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 7):
Or .... have your pilots and mechanists take things into their own hands and screw the passengers ....

Do you blame them? Over a decade of no pay raises and now they are being asked to give more. Layoffs and more cuts equals an employee who will not do anything extra for the company.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:52 pm

My company always uses AA when we fly to ORD and DFW. We have a great corporate discount and have seemed to be pretty happy with their product. Our industry is having their annual convention in Chicago in a few weeks and we have been instructed to use anyone but AA to ensure our staff, and clients, arrive on time and without hassle. Let me explain what this means for AA

AA will miss 200+ employees of a Fortune 100 company paying for business class fares from locations such as New York, Miami, Denver, Los Angeles, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, London, and Tokyo. In addition, we will be shuttling over 750 clients over to UA, Delta, and Frontier- some riding in business class and some in coach- for the trip. A round estimate figures that AA has lost over $400,000 in revenue just from my company alone.

I know this isn't a lot of money for AA but this is just for a 3-day conference. This doesn't count our 10,000 employees, of which 1,000 travel twice a month, that are now utilizing UA and Delta for their travel needs. That must add up to another $500k-$750k a month in airfare. That's over $1 million that my company will have pulled from AA this month alone. It adds up and I'm sure UA and DL are enjoying the additional revenue.

Keep up the good work pilots because you're killing the company one passenger, or in our case, a thousand passengers at a time.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting KBJCpilot (Reply 37):
I know this isn't a lot of money for AA but this is just for a 3-day conference. This doesn't count our 10,000 employees, of which 1,000 travel twice a month, that are now utilizing UA and Delta for their travel needs. That must add up to another $500k-$750k a month in airfare. That's over $1 million that my company will have pulled from AA this month alone. It adds up and I'm sure UA and DL are enjoying the additional revenue.

There are probably thousands of companies like yours who will soon be making similar decisions. That is a lot of money.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting victrola (Reply 41):
There are probably thousands of companies like yours who will soon be making similar decisions. That is a lot of money.

It is a lot of money - but I think at the same time it is not too big of an issue.

6 months we had practically daily threads about how corporates and elites were deserting UA(/CO) in droves. Now we hear about corporates going to UA because they're not happy at AA. For all we know DL might have a "winter from hell" due to a bit of snow at LGA and everyone rushes to leave DL. This is cyclical and is unlikely to hurt AA too much in the long run.
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:13 pm

Apparently there are a couple of Senators, Marco Rubio (R) Florida and John Cornyn (R) Texas that have been tweeting their extreme displeasure of AA while complimenting the hard work of the crews. I find that interesting.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 43):
Apparently there are a couple of Senators, Marco Rubio (R) Florida and John Cornyn (R) Texas that have been tweeting their extreme displeasure of AA while complimenting the hard work of the crews. I find that interesting.

And apparently said Senators simply asked the pilots point blank what was causing the delays and the pilots of course said it had nothing to do with a "work to rule" slowdown, and instead was entirely the fault of AA, and the Senators took said pilots at their word. I find that interesting.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 44):
And apparently said Senators simply asked the pilots point blank what was causing the delays and the pilots of course said it had nothing to do with a "work to rule" slowdown, and instead was entirely the fault of AA, and the Senators took said pilots at their word. I find that interesting.



True, but he also mentioned both pilots were ex military officers, proud Americans and defenders of the Constitution, etc. His words, not mine. Personally, I would take the word of someone who had the Honor and desire to serve their country over a bunch of pompous suits at Headquarters who have only served themselves ANYTIME.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Hate to sound rude, but that's why you never plan to be back last second with the airlines.

I think that sounds more like planning to get the most out of your trip as you can. I did this recently on a MYR-CLT-LGA trip the day before I went back to school. All I did was make sure their were flights availible within two hours to get me to NYC. It worked out perfectly.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 45):
True, but he also mentioned both pilots were ex military officers, proud Americans and defenders of the Constitution, etc.

So?

What on earth difference does that make? It doesn't matter if the Captain was Captain America. There are still pilots intentionally causing a slowdown by working to rule and refusing to go until minor, non-safety-of-flight issues are addressed that, mere weeks ago, would never have caused a flight (let alone a series of flights) to be delayed or cancelled.

And the APA itself has essentially confirmed precisely that: "American Airlines chose to reject our contract and the operational procedures and protections that go with it. Understandably, our pilots are taking a prudent and cautious approach in their operational decision-making process." To paraphrase you, "your union's words, not mine."

So the working-to-rule pilots are "proud Americans and defenders of the Constitution," and therefore they are incapable of a labor action? Since when did this become a patriotism contest? What a joke.

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 45):
Personally, I would take the word of someone who had the Honor and desire to serve their country over a bunch of pompous suits at Headquarters who have only served themselves ANYTIME.

And the pilots aren't acted out of self-interest? If they aren't acted out of self-interest, please feel free to explain who else's interest they are working for. Please.   

Is this seriously now the standard? If somebody has served in the military their word is gospel, they can do no wrong, and everything they say is infallibly true and beyond repute? They don't have agendas? How ridiculous.

I'm not saying the pilots in question are right or wrong to do what they are doing - there is nothing, in the broadest general sense, wrong with acting in one's own self interest. And the pilots in question are obviously doing what they are doing for one reason and one reason only, which is to use the tools at their disposal to financially harm AMR, force the company to negotiate, and force the company to give them a better contract.

To pretend that they are somehow acting with "honor and desire to serve" and not out of the same naked self-interest driving AMR management is absolutely comical.

[Edited 2012-09-24 15:46:03]
 
dirtyfrankd
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:03 pm

I'm Exec Plat on AA and received an e-mail from Suzanne Rabin a few days ago, here it is:

Dear __________________,

At American, we always do our best to provide our customers with a smooth travel experience. You may have seen recent media reports about American's operational challenges or even experienced a service disruption yourself. Whatever the circumstance, I am truly sorry for any inconvenience to you. I also want to let you know what's going on and assure you that we stand ready to help.

Prior to recent issues, American has been running an extremely good operation, with reliability measures at their best levels in many years. The recent delays are due to the increase in maintenance write-ups by our pilots, many right at the time of departure. Our maintenance teams are responding appropriately to such reports, which may cause interruptions in our schedules. I know you will agree that nothing is more important than running a safe and reliable operation. Ensuring the safety of our customers is always our highest priority.

We are taking several immediate steps to improve our service during this period. We are proactively reducing the rest of our September and October schedule by approximately one to two percent. These schedule adjustments will enable us to provide our customers with more reliable service while minimizing impact to travel plans. Additionally, we are increasing staffing of maintenance, reservations and airport personnel to offer you more flexible travel options.

As always, our goal is to get you to your destination safely and on-time. Because you are a valued elite member, should you find that on your day of departure these issues will cause you to arrive more than one hour late at your final destination, all you have to do is ask and we'll do our best to arrange an alternative. We will seek out the best available reaccommodation, whether that is on American or on another carrier — or if you prefer, we will let you cancel your reservation and receive a refund. Your needs are our primary focus.

Above all, I want to thank you for your business and your support. We do not take your loyalty for granted and are working hard on your behalf.

Sincerely,
Suzanne L. Rubin
Suzanne L. Rubin
President
AAdvantage® Loyalty Program


She cites increased maintenance write-ups by pilots as the reason for the issues. My question is, and I'm asking because I actually do not know, not because I want to insult pilots...but what is the logic behind the increased maintenance reports from a pilot's perspective? What do the pilots get out of doing that? Is it just a form of protest and a big F U to management, or is there some other reason behind it?
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 47):
minor, non-safety-of-flight issues

These issues are usually quickly taken care of, or in most cases are placardable by the flight crews taking a couple of minutes without the need for maintenance. Even at a major maintenance base such as MIA or DFW.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:08 pm

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 49):
Prior to recent issues, American has been running an extremely good operation, with reliability measures at their best levels in many years. The recent delays are due to the increase in maintenance write-ups by our pilots, many right at the time of departure. Our maintenance teams are responding appropriately to such reports, which may cause interruptions in our schedules. I know you will agree that nothing is more important than running a safe and reliable operation. Ensuring the safety of our customers is always our highest priority.

And yet most of the flight cancellations are being done by admin at least the day prior. Goodness gracious me... Which one of these is not like the other?

Commavia?

Can it possibly be that this absolute train wreck was just waiting to happen?
Chicks dig winglets.
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:11 pm

I just want to understand the logic behind filing increased maintenance reports other than just making life harder on management. Is there anything to gain from this from the pilots' perspective?
 
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RE: AA Cancellations Continue

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:28 pm

Just out. AA has requested we restart negotiations. APA is convening a board meeting on Wednesday to decide how to proceed. The want to make sure AA is serious about coming to an amicable agreement. If AA just plans on stonewalling, it won't happen. Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.
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