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AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:37 pm

Hey

Just seen on Flightradar24. Made a U turn above the atlantic.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AAL41

Looks like its going to london?

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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting gr325 (Thread starter):

Looks like its going to london?

Maybe, it has been on flt lvl 210 for a while, engine out maybe?
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:43 pm

From what I see, it did not make a U-turn and is now above Newfoundland proceeding to ORD. At this point it is running about 3 hours behind schedule.
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:45 pm

There is 2 AAl41 flying at this moment.

This is what FR24 said

UPDATE: There are two AAL41 flying at the same time (one over Greenland and one over UK). Disable FAA data to view 7700 emergency in Europe.
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:46 pm

Looks like London, not back to Paris. Makes sense, more staff and maintenance there. 14000ft now.
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:11 pm

Just landed (20:11) on runway 27L
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:22 pm

How can there be two AA41 flights airborne at the same time??
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:29 pm

I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763?
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:32 pm

There shouldn't be two of the same flight numbers in the same area. At least domestically, if an inbound is late, they may send the outbound out on time with a different aircraft. This is called stubbing out the flight. So, flight 555 inbound might go out at 555P.
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 8):
There shouldn't be two of the same flight numbers in the same area. At least domestically, if an inbound is late, they may send the outbound out on time with a different aircraft. This is called stubbing out the flight. So, flight 555 inbound might go out at 555P.

They weren't really in the same area. One was approaching ORD and the other had just started its Atlantic crossing. But still, from an AA ops point-of-view, wouldn't that potentially get awkward?
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763

Indeed, N370AA
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:37 pm



Steve7e7 beat me to it.. and I got the reg wrong..  Smile


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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:39 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
One was approaching ORD and the other had just started its Atlantic crossing. But still, from an AA ops point-of-view, wouldn't that potentially get awkward?

Back when Eagle filed 3 digit flight numbers for jet flights, it wasn't unheard of for them to have two flights with the same callsign in the air at the same time. One I remember is 4459 ORD-JAX, which was often leaving just as 3459 VPS-DFW arrived DFW. But of course, that's different from an ops perspective since the "ops" flight number is different.
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763?
Quoting affirmative (Reply 11):
Affirmative (sorry for the pun..).. 763 reg N374AA

Confusion reigns!

The a/c that diverted to LHR was N370AA.

N374AA is the earlier AA41, currently over Newfoundland.
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:11 am

Any ideas what happened?
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:04 am

Why have 2 flights with the same call sign its not like there is a shortage of numbers anyway glad all is good
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:13 am

Two flights with the same callsign is not uncommon, especially if one of them is running behind schedule.

A number of times as ATC I have had to change a carriers callsign to even depart the AC when the arriving AC of the same callsign is late.

Definitely not uncommon so back to the emergency  
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:25 am

I am with the latter-most two posters. So WHAT exactly happened??

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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:03 pm

Christ.... who cares that there are 2 flights with the same flight #s.

What we want to know is what happened!
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 16):
Quoting KAUST (Reply 17):
Quoting flanker (Reply 18):

I was thinking the same thing.

Welcome to a.net - theres a flight sqkng 7700 and we're all in a tusy over how the heck there can be 2 airbourne flights with the same flight number
 
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:29 pm

Could this be it? Related?

http://avherald.com/h?article=4566e1a9&opt=0

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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:53 pm

I put in flight 41 on the AA flight status page and should be arriving about 10 minutes late at ORD. I checked on Flight Aware, FlightStats, and Real Time Flight Tracker and they all indicate the same information. I don't know where the original issue was, whether it was an error on the Flightradar24 website or just erroneous information.

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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 21):
I don't know where the original issue was, whether it was an error on the Flightradar24 website or just erroneous information.

No, it was happening, you probably saw the first one or those sites are erroneous. Flightradar24 displays info received in realtime from groundstations ( most often aviation geeks )

I saw it live for the last 20 minutes up untill landing at LHR. AV herald only mentioned another AA 767 yesterday leaving LHR when slats or flaps couldnt retract. Must have been strange to suddenly have 2 767's that shouldnt have been there.

edit: 2nd 767 was today, not yesterday.

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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 22):

I saw it live for the last 20 minutes up untill landing at LHR. AV herald only mentioned another AA 767 yesterday leaving LHR when slats or flaps couldnt retract. Must have been strange to suddenly have 2 767's that shouldnt have been there.

Do we know what N370AA's issue was? IFSD?
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:51 pm

I think FlightRadar24 is actually having some identification issue (and has for a while now) as the flight that had the situation was not AA41 but AA121. It diverted due to a mechanical problem and the reason they dropped down to a lower altitude on the way to LHR was probably to burn off fuel and get down to maximum landing weight.

As far as two flights having the same number at the same time, this happens on a regular basis when the inbound aircraft is running late and the continuation of the flight uses a different aircraft to avoid a delay. In that case the filed ATC flight number and the call sign will be modified (such as addition a letter to the call sign) however in most airline computer systems it will keep the same number for reservations reasons. ATC will absolutely not allow two aircraft in the system to have the same number for obvious reason.

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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:59 am

This reminded me of something I heard on ATC on sunday. I was flying to Chicago and listening to ORD approach when AA1400 declared an emergency and returned to ORD and landed overweight. They asked for emergency vehicles to be present. Not sure what happened. What is the level of severity to declare an emergency and have traffic cleared for your return? They were given a choice of runways etc and I believe they asked for 28. I listened until they were passed to the tower and they landed safely around 5pm or so in Chicago. Anyone know what might have happened?
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RE: AA41 Emergency Right Now

Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:54 am

Basically any time you are operating an aircraft outside of normal parameters it is always best to declare an emergency. Although it might make the situation seem more dramatic than it might appear, by declaring an emergency you have all the resources available to you that you might require. You woulkd get priority handling to the airport and could choose whatever runway you desire regardless of the ones normally in use. In the case of an overweight landing, although the aircraft is easily capable of handing that additional weight on an exceptional basis, it would be best to have emergency equipment standing by in case of blown tires or a brake fire. It is always preferable to declare an emergency and not need the additional assistance than to find out too late that it would have been better to have the assistance standing by.
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