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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:47 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART L

"Happy 50th anniversary!"


The 50th is one of the most emblematic anniversaries and the time has come for the Central American community who is celebrating this special edition.
From December 2006 to September 2012, a small region from the world has steadily demonstrated here the interest for the commercial aviation. Thus, this edition is dedicated to all the posters and readers from the Central American aviation series. Remember the former logo printed above !         


Edited on September 25th, 2012
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:46 pm

50th thread....wow! and at least we are civil to each other now 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:51 pm

Excellent job guys!!!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:34 pm

50th CentAm thread.. thanks SJOtoLIR and kudos to all who made it happen!  

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
50th anniversary!
Is it 2056 already?  

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
at least we are civil to each other now

Where did the ex–cartel cheerleading squad captain go? 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:28 pm

SJO recently implemented performance–based navigation for RWY25 (east–west) which offers a number of operational benefits in terms of safety, efficiency, emissions, and reduced costs for airlines.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 3):
Where did the ex–cartel cheerleading squad captain go?

I'm here sweety - missed me?

LOL
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:38 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 5):
I'm here sweety - missed me?

We all do.. to varying degrees, anyway.

But seriously, we don't get to hear much from you any more.. have you turned into a lurker? lol
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:44 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
But seriously, we don't get to hear much from you any more.. have you turned into a lurker? lol

Just busy w work  

Dont worry. i keep tabs on you guys.. just not time to respond.. i see that your rants are as good ever  Smile

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 7):
i keep tabs on you guys.. just not time to respond.. i see that your rants are as good ever

Fair enough then.. do chime in from time to time.. señor Kriete finally threw in the towel and on top of that has pledged allegiance to another country, so there's not much to argue about these days.
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 8):
eñor Kriete finally threw in the towel and on top of that has pledged allegiance to another country, so there's not much to argue about these days.

Nothing "new" for sure - you are still obsessed about the Parrots and COPA is still not in Belize.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithophobia
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
you are still obsessed about the Parrots

Oh the parrots are gone.. un cóndor se comió todas las guaras.   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
COPA is still not in Belize.

ooooohhhhh, that was a low blow
 

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 3):
Is it 2056 already?

Ooops! So, this edition must be re-phrased as "Happy 50th Cent Am thread..."  




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Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
COPA is still not in Belize

I barely commented in the last Cent Am thread about why CM is not at BZE yet.
Any CM PTY-BZE would be performed as a leisure route and the results of CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly are not firmly consolidated at this time. The hypothetical CM PTY-BZE must basically cater passengers from South America where the Panamanian airline has certainly had a good job on selected leisure routes as CM PTY-PUJ, CM PTY-CUN and CM PTY-MCO, among others.
I don't think CM would venture into BZE prior to consolidate LIR before. However, any CM PTY-GUA-BZE or so makes sense to me as it would also serve the VFR market named GUA-BZE.
We have previously commented about how San Pedro Sula isn't performing well on Copa Airlines nowadays. However, the current CM PTY-SJO-SAP is attending the SJO-SAP market with the 100-seater E90 every day. Their competitors only deploy the ATR-42 in such route.




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Copa Airlines Colombia will increase their following weekly frequencies:
CM PTY-CLO 26x to 28x weekly. Effective: December 18th.
CM PTY-ADZ 5x to 7x weekly. Effective: December 17th.


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Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:05 am

CM PTY-GUA-BZE would be wonderful. I really do hope they do it.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:43 am

Hello everybody!

Im surprised no one has mentioned the problematic operation of American Airlines in the last weeks, and as usual, Central America gets a hard hit with delays and cancelations by the airline, mainly caused by its labor issues with the pilot unions and the excessive maintanace of its fleet, especially the 757 fleet out of Miami.

Just today in San Jose, one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintanance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego bay because of maintanance issues... Here is the flight info according to SABRE:

AA0986/27SEP
SJO 1245 3
MIA CE J18 1750 1940 D33
LAS 1 D8 2145
7SJO/AUTO REACCOM DELAYED FLT SEE N*0986SEP27SJO *1442*CRC
YMG
5SJO/6SJO-LAS CHG EPQ MIA SAME TYPE EDO
FTWDP RUHBERG *1605
2SJO/PRE1345 *1613
3SJO/ETD2054 A/E 2155 *2108
4SJO/OUT2101 OFF2112 *2212
3MIA/ETD2000 A/E *1804
4MIA/OUT2003 OFF2023 *1923
2MIA/ETA0137 *2332
2LAS/ETA2221 *2054

AA2127/27SEP
MIA 1940 D43
SJO 4 2030
3MIA/ETD2020 MNTC *1905
4MIA/OUT2010 OFF2025 *1925
5MIA/ACCT MECH *2124*QSDWPC
1SJO/INTMD LNDG AT MBJ ETA2147FTWDP PISENTI *2109
2SJO/PRE0217 *2203
2MBJ/IN2154 *2157
3MBJ/ETD0130 *2203

This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
Any CM PTY-BZE would be performed as a leisure route and the results of CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly are not firmly consolidated at this time

Comparing BZE to LIR is like comparing apples and oranges.
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).
If you want to compare LIR with another destination in the region compare it with RTB, CZM and HUX.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
However, any CM PTY-GUA-BZE or so makes sense to me as it would also serve the VFR market named GUA-BZE.

this would not work....the business traffic (shipping, banking, free zone) is all PTY and a one stop flight will put them on even footing with TA. The VFR traffic to GUA is very price sensitive (as many have found out) and doable by road.

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
m surprised no one has mentioned the problematic operation of American Airlines in the last weeks, and as usual, Central America gets a hard hit with delays and cancelations by the airline, mainly caused by its labor issues with the pilot unions and the excessive maintanace of its fleet, especially the 757 fleet out of Miami.

Just today in San Jose, one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintanance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego bay because of maintanance issues... Here is the flight info according to SABRE:

Same crap has been happening here in BZE for the last few weeks. Often AA is cancelling one of its MIA ad rerouting / rebooking the pax. They are not making many people happy..including my wife whose usual 3 day trip to POS turned into 6 last week with delays and subsequent misconnects on all 4 segments.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
Comparing BZE to LIR is like comparing apples and oranges.
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).

bingo. Analysis shows It will be more like NAS.....about a 60/40 split.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
this would not work....the business traffic (shipping, banking, free zone) is all PTY and a one stop flight will put them on even footing with TA.

I can't see how a possible CM one-stop can be the same as a TA/AV connection @ SAL.
Recently I heard from a passenger flying between PTY and BZE via SAL that he hardly made the connection @ SAL and was lucky he was flying without baggage.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Analysis shows It will be more like NAS.....about a 60/40 split.


Guys, I found these sentences loaded with speculation as we cannot get any reliable info about how BZE from PTY might work in the future. BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America. The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown.
I think the hypothetical CM PTY-BZE is feasible with very limited weekly frequencies from the very beginning like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-MBJ 2x weekly.




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Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

Any comments?


I just checked flighstats.com and found delays and cancellations on AA MIA-SJO 24 hours backward.
AA SJO-MIA is still showing big delays on September 28th.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
I can't see how a possible CM one-stop can be the same as a TA/AV connection @ SAL.
Recently I heard from a passenger flying between PTY and BZE via SAL that he hardly made the connection @ SAL and was lucky he was flying without baggage.

The connection is usually Ok....All I was saying was that faced with a one stop daily to PTY (via SAL) or a hypothetical 4Xweekly one stop via GUA on CM..the former will be more attractive for business travellers

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
I found these sentences loaded with speculation as we cannot get any reliable info about how BZE from PTY might work in the future. BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America. The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown.
I think the hypothetical CM PTY-BZE is feasible with very limited weekly frequencies from the very beginning like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-MBJ 2x weekly.

Actually I have hard data, but it is proprietary and I am sorry I can't share. But I can tell you that currently the traffic between GRU, VVI, CCS, PTY, SJO, EZE, POS and BZE is enough to fill a Ejet 4 times a week easily. VVI may be a shocker...but there is a lot of Mennonite traffic on that route (VVI and BZE are sister Mennonite communities). Next week alone the MIn of foreign affairs is hosting 60 businessmen from Argentina. This week , the Brazilians are here.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintenance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego Bay because of maintenance issues

So was this a result of huelga/tortuguismo or was it caused by "the excessive maintanace of its fleet" as you put it?

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America

Add some o/d business traffic (shopping, banking, CFZ) from Panamá, as described in post #16 above, to the mix.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown

It's all about the thriving Brazilian economy (aka samba surge) and increased middle–class tourism from Brazil.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:46 pm

Gettign word that a helicopter carrying the Camino Real owner went down in GUA.....can any of our Guatemalan friends confirm or shed some light?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
Gettign word that a helicopter carrying the Camino Real owner went down

Prensa LIbre
is reporting the deceased was the owner of Grand Tikal Futura.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:24 pm

Take a listen to the audio link @01m32s the pilot can be heard saying "perdí el rotor de cola" — requiescat in pace.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:22 pm

The runway in MGA was due to have its 09-27 number changed to 10-28 on september 20th when new procedures were published, but due to great efficiency of our airport's authorities this has been delayed until December 13th. New Jeppesen charts show Procedures to Rwys 10-28 but we still have rwy 09-27. Very funny to hear the exchange of regulations and requirements over the radio between ATC and pilots arriving here. There is only one notam showing the delay, but a crew coming with updated charts will not have charts showing rwy 09-27, nice deal.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:15 am

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 24):
The runway in MGA was due to have its 09-27 number changed to 10-28 on september 20th

Is this being done to correct some sort of historic blunder in that the azimuth angle was originally miscalculated?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:10 am

Last week a group of thirteen Brazilian nationals allegedly "arrived in the Bahamas on Copa Airlines under the guise of being tourists at a local hotel (...) It is believed they were attempting to be smuggled into South Florida" — according to a report in the Bahamas Tribune.

The following day, that same paper was saying it was actually a larger group (eighteen immigrants) made up of "Dominicans, West Indians, Cubans and Brazilians" taken into custody "in connection with an alleged smuggling ring from Panama" — the Bahamian immigration minister was quoted as saying: “What we know is that for some time security has been watching the traffic that comes via Panama and the connection to human smuggling that goes on."

And in other (more positive) news, Jamaican officials seem quite pleased with the significant increase (102% by their own estimates) in pax traffic from South America, thanks in part to the resumption of CM flights to MBJ.. "This has been very good for growth, especially Chileans, Colombians and Brazilians (...) It's a market we are taking very seriously" said the chairman of the Jamaica Tourist Board.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 25):
Is this being done to correct some sort of historic blunder in that the azimuth angle was originally miscalculated?

This is done due to the magnetic drift that changes over time. Right now if you're lined up on RWY 09, your compass will indicate 98-100, hence the change in the number.
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Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 27):
This is done due to the magnetic drift that changes over time. Right now if you're lined up on RWY 09, your compass will indicate 98-100

Thanks for the explanation.. I wonder if DGAC/MOPT down here is monitoring this shift in the magnetic north pole in order to update runway designations at LIR and SJO accordingly if needed.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 28):

Thanks for the explanation.. I wonder if DGAC/MOPT down here is monitoring this shift in the magnetic north pole in order to update runway designations at LIR and SJO accordingly if needed.

I'm pretty sure they are. Cocesna also has an airplane that goes to all stations in Central America, calibrating and fine tuning all VORs, ILSs. They do this at least two times a year in each station, so they will also know when this varies.
Keep in mind that the magnetic north pole keeps changing over time.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

Any comments?

The airline is clearly not using it's "powers" given by chpt 11, here "down under" we're also suffering with both AA and pax rioting! MAO was the hell this past week with ALMOST daily cancelled or "maintenance delay".... I'll play the bad CEO guy, just cut the staff, and downsize it if you can't cope! jesus.....

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
The VFR traffic to GUA is very price sensitive (as many have found out) and doable by road.

you mean PTY-GUA? yeah but it's not nice to spend 2 days on the road? if it's BZE GUA then it's ok.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 20):
The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown

It's all about the thriving Brazilian economy (aka samba surge) and increased middle–class tourism from Brazil.

economy is backtracking here now, govt is forcing banks to keep taxes down, the USD is skyrocketing! I'm paying a visit to central america this summer (JAN-MAR) and am holding tight both my USD's and my breath, Dilma Roussef what are you doing?  
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 30):
if it's BZE GUA then it's ok.

BZE GUA is the VFR.....BZE-PTY is much more business oriented
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:17 am

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 29):
Cocesna also has an airplane that goes to all stations in Central America, calibrating and fine tuning all VORs, ILSs. They do this at least two times a year in each station

Well now, that's an interesting little tidbit.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 30):
economy is backtracking here now

There has been a slowdown but CEPAL (aka ECLAC) is estimating 4% growth next year (up from 1,6% this year).
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:48 am

Looks like arriving Copa flights will continue to come under increased scrutiny at NAS.. after reading some more of the Bahamas Tribune, it becomes apparent that law enforcement over there believe organized crime appreciates the convenience of nonstop air service from the Hub de las Américas in smuggling U.S.–bound immigrants and narcotics..

“The police have been vigilant with people coming in from Panama. We are watching trends and we saw a pattern. So over the last few months you would have seen increased interdiction from persons coming in from Panama on that airline” — those remarks are credited to an assistant commissioner of the Royal Bahamas Police Force.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 33):

I SWEAR I could see that coming! The Bahamas although a wealthy nation was known in the 80's as a strong stop over for mules on their way to the USA, I believe simple questions as "list the places you're going to visit while here" should redflag suspects immediately.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 33):
Looks like arriving Copa flights will continue to come under increased scrutiny at NAS

CM PTY-NAS is 6x weekly nowadays.
From December 20th, the airline will offer their 6x weekly departures out of Panama City at 07:46 and 11:18.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
BZE GUA is the VFR.....BZE-PTY is much more business oriented

Don't forget how the direct BZE-GUA is currently attended by small planes.
Is the PM BZE-FRS plus TAG [FRS-GUA] agreement still in service?
I'm a believer of CM in Belize, but that won't imply a flock of passengers in these flights. The existence of the daily TA SAL-BZE and connections is another fact against healthy results on the fictitious CM PTY-BZE. They would probably match their mutual fares in the future. I don't expect cheaper fares at BZE later.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 26):
Jamaican officials seem quite pleased with the significant increase (102% by their own estimates) in pax traffic from South America, thanks in part to the resumption of CM flights to MBJ.. "This has been very good for growth, especially Chileans, Colombians and Brazilians (...) It's a market we are taking very seriously" said the chairman of the Jamaica Tourist Board.

CM PTY-MBJ will indeed rise their frequencies from 2x to 4x weekly; starting on December 17th.




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Copa Airlines will increase their services in Cancun from 28x to 35x weekly.
New flight below:

CM 208.........PTY 08:04.........CUN 09:45.............Daily..........73G
CM 209.........CUN 11:10........PTY 14:40..............Daily..........73G
Effective: December 04th


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:26 am

Wow, CM is really making their hub in PTY meorable haha. How many daily flights will they have by year end? Are they putting the new interiors into the old fleet as well?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:47 pm

Today, Tropic Air announced a daily BZE-CUN effective November 12, and a daily SPR-MYF and BZE-MYF (San Ignacio, Belize) effective Dec 10. The latter is the second largest muncipality in Belize and this is its first air service. Tropic Air are building a terminal at the new airstrip there.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
CM PTY-MBJ will indeed rise their frequencies from 2x to 4x weekly; starting on December 17th.

Strange CM wouldn't add one frequency to both MBJ and KIN instead of adding 2 to only MBJ.
At least there'lll be flights 6 times per week between PTY and Jamaica. Who knows that frequency needed to complete daily PTY-Jamaica may go to KIN.

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Copa Airlines will increase their services in Cancun from 28x to 35x weekly.
New flight below:

CM 208.........PTY 08:04.........CUN 09:45.............Daily..........73G
CM 209.........CUN 11:10........PTY 14:40..............Daily..........73G
Effective: December 04th

I still can't believe PTY-CUN up to 5 times per day.
IMHO, PTY-CUN at 5 daily means the chances of CM ever flying to CZM and/or MID are almost none by now, but in that area of Mexico, chances are HUX one day could get CM.
And I could bet a future CM PTY-PVR route (as Mexican Government request) more than 3-4 times per week will be far too much capacity, even for PTY Hub of The Americas..
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:17 pm

Is this flight operated by a Caravan also? or are they planning to add bigger planes.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 37):
Today, Tropic Air announced a daily BZE-CUN effective November 12,
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting juanchito (Reply 39):
Is this flight operated by a Caravan also? or are they planning to add bigger planes.

Yes, for now until they see what the traffic levels will be like.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:18 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 40):
Is this flight operated by a Caravan also? or are they planning to add bigger planes.

Yes, for now until they see what the traffic levels will be like.

What would the flight time be for this? Seems like a long haul in a Caravan. Especially with no loo.


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 38):
PTY-CUN up to 5 times per day.

CM PTY-CUN will be soon in the same level of both CM PTY-HAV and CM PTY-SDQ which are offering 35x weekly frequencies.
Copa Airlines is also pursuing the protectionism of that market given the incursion of LP LIM-CUN 7x weekly and others.

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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:02 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 42):
Copa Airlines is also pursuing the protectionism of that market given the incursion of LP LIM-CUN 7x weekly and others.

CM actually stimulates demand for more non-stop flights from destinations such as CUN, MCO, PUJ, etc. to certain South American cities.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:04 pm

Quoting LAXLocal (Reply 41):
What would the flight time be for this? Seems like a long haul in a Caravan. Especially with no loo.

1:20 ....currently they run BZE-SAP at 1:05 with no issues...just remember to use the loo first. And remember that these are the new 208s that they are using for the SAP and CUN with the softer seats, AC etc.

I suspect that they are trying to build up a little regional operation with enough routes and demand to justify a twin engine eqp.

They don't want the make the same mistakes that MW did and plunge right into ATRs and then take a bath.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:07 pm

OK kids.. so i am looking flights to SDQ for myself and colleges for later this month.

Here are CM's Fares:

ORD-PTY-SDQ: $440
SAL-PTY-SDQ:$877
GUA-PTY-SDQ:$807
TGU-PTY-SDQ:$920

I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):
I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?

Nop they are not an airline of low prices they have good service but not in Central America flights.

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Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):
I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?

I have never heard CM and low price in the same sentence.

Did you try SDQ via MIA?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 47):
I have never heard CM and low price in the same sentence.

Well to SDQ from ORD is great deal. $470 (not $440; my mistake). At least $70 cheaper than AA thru MIA; and i trust that CM's seats do not fall off, and avoid the hell on earth that is MIA.

Now, the CM rep said that the reason that the Central America flights were so high was due to "High Season". I never heard people from Northern Central America go to Panama during the last week of October.. High Season my "eggs" (you can translate that last word  )

With these ridiculous prices you should pray the CM never comes to Belize.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 47):
Did you try SDQ via MIA?

Sure did - about its about the same..

So, now that TACA has become irrelevant - can we start hating CM as group now?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):
OK kids.. so i am looking flights to SDQ for myself and colleges for later this month.

Here are CM's Fares:

ORD-PTY-SDQ: $440
SAL-PTY-SDQ:$877
GUA-PTY-SDQ:$807
TGU-PTY-SDQ:$920

I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?

CM low fares in Central America?? Yes, I you never stop checking CM website and promotional emails for bargain fares..
Better your colleges use miles to fly between Central America and SDQ.
Did you check the fares to PUJ and STI? Perhaps flying to PUJ or STI and land transfer to Santo Domingo would be worth saving hundreds of USD.
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