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Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:23 am

With the end of Comair coming up soon does anyone know what the last flight will be for them?
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:53 pm

Last inbound to OH operated flight to CVG is 3205 IAH-CVG on 28th. Last CREW to come home is DH on 3834 (9E) DTW-CVG at 1641 on 29 Sept. I don't know what the last crews flight into DTW is sked to be.

There will be people at the airport both days to welcome the crews/flights home to for the last "brakes set."
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:06 pm

the only commuter that refused meager fees for their services, and look what happaned..

the others followed Mesa's lead, they took whatever the legacies gave them and they're still alive.

My respects to Comair
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:29 pm

"My respects to Comair"

Agreed. Hats off to Comair employees.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
My respects to Comair

Here here.

Comair was a greatly run company from a people perspective. Working there, you really did feel like part of a family. They may have made some bad decisions (being acquired by DL way back when was probably the worst), but it was a great company with a great history, and they'll be missed.
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:49 pm

Wow it's really the end. They did a great time taking me back and forth on ATL-BUF-ATL. They will be missed.

Good luck to the pilots. I know DL's a business and this wouldn't make any business sense, but I did wish DL did something with the employees instead of dump them off...
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:07 pm

I didn't look too hard, but I think the last revenue departure is 3002 from GRR to DTW on the 28th. Dep 745p.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:42 am

Wonder if we'll see any pic's from the last flight?
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:44 am

What about flight 3200 JAX-MSP on the 29th?
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting michman (Reply 8):
What about flight 3200 JAX-MSP on the 29th?

Yes, that's the last scheduled Comair revenue flight.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:03 am

I really feel for the employees. I flew OH when I was a nonrev, and even to little 'ol me, they were great. A true class act is no more, sadly.

Also, on a semi-related note, does anyone know the tail/fleet numbers of the aircraft operating these historic flights?
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
Good luck to the pilots. I know DL's a business and this wouldn't make any business sense, but I did wish DL did something with the employees instead of dump them off...

They could easily bring them to Delta if they wanted. With the 717s coming they are going to have to hire mostly every where(ok talking frontline here)
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:14 am

#3025 IAH-CVG tonight was 10025...a -700. Over 300 people on the ramp/gatehouse for them. Beautiful! Water Canon and all...I bid off this weekend to be there. Loved it!
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:14 am

Well, I'm truly sorry to the OH folks, they ran a classy operation, good luck to them.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:49 am

Looks like OH 3200 (JAX-MSP) is actually the last revenue flight for Comair.

I worked for this airline from 2006-2009 and thoroughly enjoyed the company. They treated us like humans instead of liabilities and family instead of cheap labor. Back then I'd say staff morale was pretty good and most people genuinely enjoyed coming to work everyday. Shame it had to end...

Best of luck to the great folks at Comair as they embark on new adventures!
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
They could easily bring them to Delta if they wanted. With the 717s coming they are going to have to hire mostly every where(ok talking frontline here)

Not really, right now with the new contract, they temporarily have a surplus of pilots since the contract makes the pilot group more productive (not quite to the NW level, but closer). Also the first 717 isn't showing up on property until August 2013, plus you have flow through agreements with others, specifically Compass.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:23 pm

Can someone remind me where the CRJ 700 & 900s are going now? I assume the CRJ 200s are being ditched completely but what company gets the 700 and 800s?
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:40 pm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COM3236

I noticed this flight is on its way to ATL. I'm assuming going to ExpressJet as several OH 900s have been coming in the last week or two for transition into the ASQ fleet.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:45 pm

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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:28 pm

It is kind of sad as to where the business has gone. Back in the day there were 4 Delta Connection carries...now only one of them remains... Skywest...
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
They could easily bring them to Delta if they wanted. With the 717s coming they are going to have to hire mostly every where(ok talking frontline here)

I think a big concern would be the problems they'd bring. If you kept their years of seniority that would cause a lot of problems (and their pay would be higher) but if you put them on the bottom they'd be pissed they lost their seniority. Business-wise, it makes sense just to cut ties with them
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:20 pm

Folks, that was the last revenue flight INTO CVG. I was pretty clear on that. I said there would be another flight with a DH today.
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:33 pm

I've admired the Comair crews for a long time. When I was at XJ, I always enjoyed visiting with them. They were really a class act. Thanks guys and gals for being among the best in the business right up until the very last day. I hope you all get other jobs quickly so the industry can continue to benefit from your professionalism.
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 17):
Can someone remind me where the CRJ 700 & 900s are going now? I assume the CRJ 200s are being ditched completely but what company gets the 700 and 800s?

IIRC:

(3) -700's going to ExpressJet
(6) -900's going to ExpressJet
(10) -700's going to GoJets
(2) -700's going to SkyWest
(7) -900's going to Skywest
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:48 pm

Comair will be missed they allowed me to go to school to get my dispatch license as well as I worked on the ramp for them for a number of years they will be missed
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21), "if you put them on the bottom they'd be pissed they lost their seniority."

No, they wouldn't. That's the way it works in the airline industry. Pilots understand this and accept it.

The Comair pilots would be grateful to have a flying job.

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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting e38 (Reply 26):
The Comair pilots would be grateful to have a flying job.

Maybe most, but you could bet there'd be some bellyachers.
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:17 am

My best wishes to the employees of OH, especially my Uncle, who has worked with them for quite some time.

Quoting e38 (Reply 26):
The Comair pilots would be grateful to have a flying job.

From what I have heard, the OH pilots who suffered most were the ones who were trained on the 50-seaters. Some of them may be transferred to OO, but most will be laid off. The ones on the larger OH airplanes which are being sold to the other airlines may be (don't quote me on this) transferred too, but that hasn't been all set up. Some of the people working for OH's office also got transferred to various regional airlines.

Rumor circulating too that OH's former corporate headquarters will either be shut down and demolished or will house offices for OO or some other regional airline. I would like someone to elaborate more on this for me, if that's possible.

Always OH has been able to take me to places far away from the dump of my hometown (GO REDS!), but I guess in the last 15 or so years the love-hate relationship with DL has finally taken its toll. Fly high, Comair   


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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:24 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
the only commuter that refused meager fees for their services

Atlantic Coast employees will disagree.


Best wishes to all Comair folks.
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:38 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):

Rumor circulating too that OH's former corporate headquarters will either be shut down and demolished or will house offices for OO or some other regional airline. I would like someone to elaborate more on this for me, if that's possible.

the 'new' building supposedly will see some use by Southern Air (cargo) and other offices. the offices attached to the hagars (along with the hangars) are being occupied by the remaining Comair staff and Pinnacle who is opening a mx base at CVG.
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):

From what I have heard, the OH pilots who suffered most were the ones who were trained on the 50-seaters. Some of them may be transferred to OO, but most will be laid off. The ones on the larger OH airplanes which are being sold to the other airlines may be (don't quote me on this) transferred too, but that hasn't been all set up. Some of the people working for OH's office also got transferred to various regional airlines.

Doesn't work that way. If any former OH pilots (or any other job description) come to OO, or any other regional, they will more than likely get preferential interviews, but they won't just be "transferred." They will start at the bottom of the seniority list, like anyone else "off the street."

As for the aircraft, well, Delta owns those. They aren't being sold to anyone. They can use them as whipsaw (unfortunately...)

Quoting PITrules (Reply 29):
Atlantic Coast employees will disagree.

And SkyWest will disagree as well. (The airline may still be around, but from what I hear, they not only said 'no,' but 'Hell No!" to a major when asked to fly at Colgan rates.
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
where is the operating certificate going?

It'll probably sit in a filing cabinet in ATL. IIRC the FlyI certificate fetched about $2m, because NW needed it to launch Compass quickly, rather than certify the new carrier from scratch. Once all recall rights at Comair have expired, Delta can use the certificate as "cost insurance" in case the regionals in the future decide not to race to the bottom. If the regional flying gets too expensive to outsource, they could pull it out, rename it, and move aircraft to that ticket.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 31):
It'll probably sit in a filing cabinet in ATL. IIRC the FlyI certificate fetched about $2m, because NW needed it to launch Compass quickly, rather than certify the new carrier from scratch. Once all recall rights at Comair have expired, Delta can use the certificate as "cost insurance" in case the regionals in the future decide not to race to the bottom. If the regional flying gets too expensive to outsource, they could pull it out, rename it, and move aircraft to that ticket.

While I agree, there has to be at least 1 airplane on the certificate and a management staff to run said certificated airline. If not, the certificate will be revoked.

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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting 727forever (Reply 32):
While I agree, there has to be at least 1 airplane on the certificate and a management staff to run said certificated airline. If not, the certificate will be revoked.

What was the airplane on the FlyI ticket? NW pulled 2 CRJ-200's from XJ to launch Compass. Since FlyI returned all aircraft, was there a plane left to keep on the ticket? I don't doubt what you are saying, it makes sense. Just curious.
 
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 33):
What was the airplane on the FlyI ticket?

As I recall it was one CRJ-200 previously of the XJ certificate. What I don't know is how long a certificate can go without an airplane before it will be revoked. All of the flyi folks who went with the certificate maintained qualification on the lone CRJ even though the airplane was never intended to fly a single revenue flight at Compass.


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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:21 pm

last i heard, both the 121 and 145 are supposed to be surrendered to the faa by the end of the year
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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:49 pm

It all depends how busy a FSDO is. Sometimes they'll let an operator slide a bit if they know the certificate holder is actively looking to sell or acquire another aircraft. Some will axe it the moment the last plane is gone and payroll ceases.

Its all political. The more certified scheduled air carriers a FSDO has, the more money the POI/PMI/PSI make.

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RE: Comair's Last Flight? (DL)

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:49 pm

errr... PSI is now TSA... my bad.
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