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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:48 pm

So a little birdie, whom is a very reliable source of information within the airline industry has indicated that QR will announce their entry into OneWorld within the next week or so.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

I believe it will be a great addition to OneWorld and its current partners. Good luck to them.

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Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:50 pm

The rumor has been floating for awhile. I like it, but EK would bring more, and they are recalcitrant to join an alliance. Hopefully QR comes in, and EK JV's with AA, that would be pretty effective.
 
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:51 pm

Like I said, it has been decided. The announcement should be forthcoming within the next week or so.
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 1):
The rumor has been floating for awhile. I like it, but EK would bring more, and they are recalcitrant to join an alliance. Hopefully QR comes in, and EK JV's with AA, that would be pretty effective.

If QR joined OW and AA created a relationship with EK, AA will be a GREAT place to be a frequent flyer for both network and redemption options.
 
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:54 pm

If this comes true, all ME carriers are more or less connected to OneWorld.
Not consistent with the QF-EK joint venture. and also AB-EY doesn't fit in this scenario.
 
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:05 pm

Quite surprising I must say. I always thought they would end up in Star Alliance in the end. Would have made more sense with the EK and EY connections to oneWorld.
 
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:23 pm

Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Whilst I am implying QR is not joining Oneworld I am just curious as to QF's decision to jump i with EK instead.
 
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:37 pm

They're a bit late to the party -- the rest of the world has started moving away from these broad alliances in favour of more targeted (and far deeper) partnerships. Still, could be useful for OW, which lacks connections into northern Africa.

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Whilst I am implying QR is not joining Oneworld I am just curious as to QF's decision to jump i with EK instead.

While many of us think that QR could have been a very effective partner for QF, EK offers them significantly more than QR can right now. A partnership between QF and QR would have been a 10 year development of a new approach to the Kangaroo Route, but QF needed a network that was ready to go today. EK offers that, QR doesn't come close to (especially on this end, where they have no further rights beyond their MEL/PER flights).

EK would have trodden all over a QF-QR relationship, I think QF did the right thing. They would have known about these plans months and months ago (airlines don't just join an alliance overnight), and made their decision with all the facts.
 
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
What are your thoughts on the matter?

Old news that has been widely speculated on: http://airceo.com/?p=10966

After the EK-QF tie up there was some thought that this would not go ahead. Glad this is going ahead!

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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:47 pm

Wow...this would be surprising for me...

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 5):
I always thought they would end up in Star Alliance in the end

I would have to agree with you on that one.

Im also surprised that EK is partnering up with so many OW airlines, as I thought EY would be interested in partnering up with OW, since they own a large part of AB
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 9):
as I thought EY would be interested in partnering up with OW, since they own a large part of AB

People say that with virgin and their large SQ ownership.... ie that they should be in STAR but 10 years later... nothing!
 
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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:14 pm

Interesting. While I hope this goes through, IMHO the QF/EK alliance has diluted the value of OneWorld for QR. Not to the point they shouldn't join, but it does dilute the value.

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 1):
The rumor has been floating for awhile. I like it, but EK would bring more, and they are recalcitrant to join an alliance.

   What happened to the rumor that BA would codeshre with EK too?

Quoting laolao (Reply 4):
If this comes true, all ME carriers are more or less connected to OneWorld.

This will be an interesting twist. But I wonder if EY wouldn't then try for another alliance (despite AB)?

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Yes. QF needed the European connections and African connections. QF also benfits by blunting EK a little by partnering with them. QR was a good 2nd choice, certainly not the best for QF.

I will wait and see if this announcement happens.

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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:51 pm

I think EK would bring more to OneWorld than QR but EK has been very relunctant to join any alliance.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Whilst I am implying QR is not joining Oneworld I am just curious as to QF's decision to jump i with EK instead.

QF did have talks with QR at some point. In the end, they saw more value in an EK partnership than in a QR partnership.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
QF did have talks with QR at some point. In the end, they saw more value in an EK partnership than in a QR partnership.

Yep and so do I. Reason. QF can't, without cutting other routes, start too many new services to the middle east in a FAST period of time. It has to wait for new aircraft and we know what happened there. Next, DXB is the premier hub in the region, much like SIN over KUL. QF wants the more desirable stop over, the place more likely to attract direct business traffic and the place offering by far the most connections. DOH is none of those, it just has a high quality carrier, and although its working on it, a massively constrained airport. Next, this puts QF back in the game virtually straight away and gives it an up in the corporate market over the likes of Singapore Airlines. And lastly, without a doubt DXB is going to be THE most important middle east hub for a time to come. Just because oneworld couldn't see it, doesn't mean QF should miss out. If anything (and i suspect it is sort of over BA's dead body) oneworld should have been courting EK. QF was just the one smart enough to think of it first, even though it did seem extremely unlikely.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:16 am

I think EK would be better to oneworld because of the JV with AA and their new partnership with QF.

When QR announced ORD, I thought it was just expansion to an untapped market. But since AA has a hub there, there my be some truth to this rumor after all. If QR adds MIA and DFW, then I would say for sure that they will join oneworld, along with SCL and SYD.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:03 am

Ok while I agree that EK might bring more has it occurred to anyone that oneworld approached EK and was rebuffed? Maybe QR is the next best option.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 14):
QF was just the one smart enough to think of it first

Seems AA may follow suit. At least some reports quoted on this site seem to suggest so.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:12 pm

If QR does join OneWorld, this would be very interesting as EK has signed a JV with OneWorld member' Qantas.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:25 pm

Does this move bode ill for the DOH-IAD flight? I have used it many times, though only when i could get some UA miles for flying it, and it was always full. Hopefully the IAD market is large enough to support QR without the UA through ticketing.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:56 am

Quote:

ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Qatar Airways has no plans to join the oneworld airline alliance, its Chief Executive Akbar al-Baker said on Sunday, dismissing reports that the airline had become the newest member of the group as "rumor."

Asked if the carrier would join oneworld, which includes British Airways, owned by IAG , Baker said: "No, we will not. It's all rumors."

Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/49229037
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:06 pm

Well, if true this would mean that my source was correct, but the announcement got somehow delayed (maybe because the EK-QR tie-up?).

Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement (by Markam Jul 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

As it already has been said, it would be indeed a great addition to Oneworld, I hope that we hear about it soon!   
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 20):
ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Qatar Airways has no plans to join the oneworld airline alliance, its Chief Executive Akbar al-Baker said on Sunday, dismissing reports that the airline had become the newest member of the group as "rumor."

Asked if the carrier would join oneworld, which includes British Airways, owned by IAG , Baker said: "No, we will not. It's all rumors."
Quoting Markam (Reply 21):

Well, if true this would mean that my source was correct, but the announcement got somehow delayed (maybe because the EK-QR tie-up?).

Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement (by Markam Jul 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

As it already has been said, it would be indeed a great addition to Oneworld, I hope that we hear about it soon!   

Given QR has already denied it, I think we can count them out. If QR were going to join OW, they would not blatantly deny it. Instead, they would simply not comment on it.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
This will be an interesting twist. But I wonder if EY wouldn't then try for another alliance (despite AB)?

A sign or not, but KLM CEO Hartman confirmed that AF-KLM is in final talks for a joint-venture with Etihad. It would first be for flights from AF-KLM to India and Asia, via Abu Dhabi and Etihad flights to North- and South-America via Amsterdam and Paris.

Maybe a tie-up with Skyteam is next?

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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 23):
It would first be for flights from AF-KLM to India and Asia, via Abu Dhabi and Etihad flights to North- and South-America via Amsterdam and Paris.

Maybe a tie-up with Skyteam is next?

Skyteam has to be hungry for a better connection to India/SE Asia. If QR is not flirting with them, than Skyteam should wink at EY.

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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 23):
A sign or not, but KLM CEO Hartman confirmed that AF-KLM is in final talks for a joint-venture with Etihad. It would first be for flights from AF-KLM to India and Asia, via Abu Dhabi and Etihad flights to North- and South-America via Amsterdam and Paris.

Maybe a tie-up with Skyteam is next?

There have been such rumours since last Spring, but at every occurance came an official denial.

Should EY join Flying Blue in full (i.e. with bonus award miles for higher tiers, qualifying status flights and status miles), I would certainly consider them when travelling to ME and Asia, whereas I now tend to focus on TK, LX, TG (+BR once thew join Star).

For Easter 2013, I"d like to spend a week in BKK and around (possibly with an extension to MFM, flying Thai Smile), and I really don't know how to fly to BKK from Europe on Skyteam in a way which I will enjoy. EY would be the best answer..

Still, a great pity that AF vetoed MH application for Skyteam membership, regardless al the years of cooperation which MH and KLM haf forged together. Even though MH is in trouble now, it would have been a superb extension of ST.

Should EY join ST, we can reasonably expect downgauges on KL and AF direct flights to South Asia...
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:40 pm

The Financial Times is now reporting that QR is joining oneworld. The article is for subscribers, but some of it appears to be available via a Google search on "Qatar Airways joins oneworld alliance" (without quotes).
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:07 am

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/18b19...d8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz286uQkv44

I was able to open it and read it all without a subscription.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:13 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Given QR has already denied it, I think we can count them out. If QR were going to join OW, they would not blatantly deny it. Instead, they would simply not comment on it.

It has been publicly addressed today that QR are confirmed to be joining OneWorld. Don't always believe everything you hear in the media! CEOs do often deny rumours because they don't want to give any competitors an advantage prior to it being announced to everyone.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:58 am

Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 28):
It has been publicly addressed today that QR are confirmed to be joining OneWorld

Any reference to this public address?
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:03 am

If The Financial Times is reporting that Qatar is joining Oneworld then (barring any last minute contractual problems) it's probably safe to say that it is happening. The FT's track record on IAG stories is very good.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 29):
Any reference to this public address?

Financial Times has it as an article today. Scroll up for the link.

QR's joining of oneworld will be officially** announced most likely on Monday, if not before.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:37 am

I wonder if this is the reason why QR first said they will open DOH-HEL in the and of 2012 and then total silence... I'm afraid this means no new route, just codeshares with AY  

[Edited 2012-10-02 04:50:52]
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:14 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 32):
I wonder if this is the reason why QR first said they will open DOH-HEL in the and of 2012 and then total silence... I'm afraid this means no new route, just codeshares with AY

[Edited 2012-10-02 04:50:52]
Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 31):

Financial Times has it as an article today. Scroll up for the link.

QR's joining of oneworld will be officially** announced most likely on Monday, if not before.

Akbar Al-Baker denied this AGAIN just moments ago in a speech at Carnagie Mellon University, Qatar. Interesting to see if they WILL or WILL NOT.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 28):
CEOs do often deny rumours because they don't want to give any competitors an advantage prior to it being announced to everyone.

That might not be devoid of consequences though. If the company in question is publicly-traded, by giving information to the public that is misleading, erroneous or false, the officer who denies something that is actually happening might be violating securities laws or the rules of the stock exchange where the shares of the company are listed. The rule is that any important developments in connection with a public company need to be disclosed to the public as soon as they happen. Companies can defer the disclosure of an important event until the same is actually consummated, so long as there are no leaks to the public or the media, and there are no major movements in the price of its stock. In other words, if the media knows, the company in question needs to come clean and inform the public what it is up to. Otherwise, it could create a situation where a few informed people could benefit from insider trading or selectively inform others who might benefit.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 33):
Akbar Al-Baker denied this AGAIN just moments ago in a speech at Carnagie Mellon University, Qatar. Interesting to see if they WILL or WILL NOT.

Now this is really interesting! I guess we'll have to wait and see on Monday.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 34):
If the company in question is publicly-traded

I believe that QR is owned 50% by the Qatari Government and 50% by private shareholders. As far as I can ascertain it is not listed on any stock exchange so the rules on disclosure of information that might apply to a company listed for example in the USA or the EU shouldn't trouble the QR spokespersons. However for the CEO to categorically deny this is about to happen if it is in fact true would not seem very sound business practice. But we will have to wait and see what transpires.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:35 pm

Thanks Jumpjets. Agree with you.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:38 am

It is very odd indeed that Al-Baker is so emphatically denying this. It will be interesting to hear him speak on Monday at the joining ceremony in New York.
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:28 am

Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 38):
It is very odd indeed that Al-Baker is so emphatically denying this.

I think it may reflect different approaches to dealing with the media. In the UK, relations between PR officers and the media are quite close (people frequently move between both industries) and it's not all unusual for the same source to brief the press off the record whilst giving out an official "No comment" statement. Al Baker may not be used to this kind of approach, hence the very blunt denials in advance of any official announcement.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:42 pm

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 25):
There have been such rumours since last Spring, but at every occurance came an official denial.

KLM CEO Hartman said it out loud last month during a Q&A session with the press. It was reported here in The Netherlands on trustworthy newsoutlets as Nu.nl and Financieel Dagblad (Financial Times).

Hartman said that the talks would continue over the next months, but AF-KLM hopes to ink a deal in December.

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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 38):

It is very odd indeed that Al-Baker is so emphatically denying this. It will be interesting to hear him speak on Monday at the joining ceremony in New York.

So you are saying that QR is joining OW for sure?

Maybe he is emphatically denying this because he is irritated at the fact that his nemesis EK is increasing cooperation with OW members (maybe he lost out to competition   ), and instead QR is being rumored to join!!! Who would want to hear such rumors being propagated more and more ...
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:36 pm

It is not uncomon in business in Qatar to say one thing publicly, to say something else privately, and in the end to do what the government thinks should be done. Especially when the company in question is not listed on any stock exchange. And Al Baker being very explicit and categorical in his statements and declarations is something we have become used to, no?

Privately I hope that QR will join oneworld, the sooner the better.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:02 pm

I really wonder why they would lean in favour of OW rather than Star. Afterall, QR has some (limited) cooperations with LH.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:02 pm

So, it looks like Al-Baker changed his mind over a fortnight... or that he wanted the announcement to actually be a surprise for greater PR effect. In any case, it is a done deal, according to Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...qatarairways-idUSBRE8910A220121002

I will give my Qatar source a B on this one, if only for the 3 week delay! Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement (by Markam Jul 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 43):
I really wonder why they would lean in favour of OW rather than Star

I doubt that LH would be interested in any further partnership, but even if they did I'm sure AC would veto it.

Star has publicly stated that they're not interested in any "artificial hubs in the desert"
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting Markam (Reply 44):

QR's position seems to have gone from "no no no no no" to "decline to comment". Interesting
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 43):
So, it looks like Al-Baker changed his mind over a fortnight... or that he wanted the announcement to actually be a surprise for greater PR effect. In any case, it is a done deal, according to Reuters:

The Reuters article is dated Tuesday of this week - the same day according to reply 33 on this thread that Mr Al-Baker once again denied that QR were joining OW in a public speech in Qatar - so enough confusion to keep us guessing over the weekend . It wont be long until Monday now chaps/ladies.
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 45):
Star has publicly stated that they're not interested in any "artificial hubs in the desert"

Think that will come back to haunt them
 
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RE: Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 48):
Think that will come back to haunt them

Oh I agree 100%. I don't see why the greater good of the alliance should be held hostage by two airlines stuck in the 1970s
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