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DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:05 pm

It appears that the interior mods might have begun in earnest as there are six aircraft that are no longer shown as having flown for four days or more;

N1200K......last flight 09/11-09/12
N1201P......last flight 09/17
N175DZ......last flight 09/05-09/06
N182DN......last flight ?
N199DN......last flight 08/15-08/16
N1602.........last flight 09/24

Can anyone confirm that any/all of these aircraft are at HAECO in HKG for interior mods or are one or more also out of service for heavy maintenance?

[Edited 2012-09-27 10:09:58]
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:11 am

A seventh aircraft, N173DZ, has disappeared from FlightAware, so it joins the other six already listed as aircraft that haven't flown recently. (Previously FlightAware would show aircraft that hadn't flown for days/weeks; now after just a few days of no activity, the last flights don't show anymore)

N182DN......ship 182
N199DN......ship 199
N1200K......ship 1200
N1201P......ship 1201
N1602........ship 1602
N173DZ......ship 1703
N175DZ......ship 1705
Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):


[Edited 2012-09-27 22:31:02]

[Edited 2012-09-27 22:32:51]

[Edited 2012-09-27 22:36:35]
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:52 pm

Last week there were four at HAECO
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:55 pm

Makes sense with the winter schedule pull-down and resulting excess capacity. N199DN has been OOS for several weeks now, so the others are probably more recent adds to the mod/HMV line.
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:58 pm

How long to complete one plane? When will they all be completed?
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 4):
When will they all be completed?

Somewhere on the DLNet, is is said that there will be MANY 767-ER mods completed by S13, but no number was given. It did indicate that there was a problem with the "GulfAir" planes related to the 2nd door and the new interiors.
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:55 pm

Ships 187-199 will be converted to 76Z 26BE/200YC
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:08 pm

More than 50% of the international widebody fleet is supposed to be complete or in mods by the end of 2012, which means that there should be 18-20 763ERs either done or in progress by the end of this year. There are currently 8 763ERs which have been completed and back in service (Seven of them are 76Ts, and one is a 76L).

76T = 36J 172Y; with pilot and FA crew rest bunks

76L = 35J 175Y; pilot takes one J seat as rest seat; FAs have bunks
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 7):
76T = 36J 172Y; with pilot and FA crew rest bunks

76L = 35J 175Y; pilot takes one J seat as rest seat; FAs have bunks

Which ones get the TTF bulk cargo area crew rest?
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:31 pm

Can someone provide a breakdown on how many aircraft will be 76T, 76L, and 76Z? Thank you in advance.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting CV880 (Reply 5):
omewhere on the DLNet, is is said that there will be MANY 767-ER mods completed by S13, but no number was given. It did indicate that there was a problem with the "GulfAir" planes related to the 2nd door and the new interiors.

All *should* be done by YE 2013. Then the 330s will start mods and be done by S14.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting widget1580 (Reply 18):
Just a tad off topic but does anyone know how the 763's are coming along?

One additional, ship 199, seems to have been finished for a total of 9

[Edited 2012-10-05 07:41:32]
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:28 pm

Evidently 6 mod lines and. ALL 76's should be done summer /13. Then start on A330 fall of /13
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting CV880 (Reply 5):

I had heard internally that the 76G's were probably going to a low-density BE and high-density coach config, primarily because of the door 2 issue. The reasoning was that they could be used in markets where there is little BE traffic and higher economy traffic.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting pqdtw (Reply 13):

So the configuration will probably be 26J/200Y then.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:54 pm

Quoting pqdtw (Reply 13):
I had heard internally that the 76G's were probably going to a low-density BE and high-density coach config, primarily because of the door 2 issue. The reasoning was that they could be used in markets where there is little BE traffic and higher economy traffic.
Quoting audidudi (Reply 14):
So the configuration will probably be 26J/200Y then.

As stated by Coke already, the ships that will be 76Zs are ships 187 - 199. One will EIS this month.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):

I thought the aircraft with the door 2 issue (76Gs) are ships 1501-1506, the ex-Gulf Air ships. Am I missing something here?

[Edited 2012-10-05 10:02:36]
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 16):

Yeah, you are  

It was ASSUMED (I don't know why) that those were the a/c that will get the high density Y seating but in fact, it's ships 187 - 199 that will be 26BE(only 25 sellable) 29EC 171YC. 199 will return to service this month as planned.

Don't forget that the current configuration for the 76Gs is 30BE(29 sellable) 38EC 140YC. With those a/c not only will they have a small front cabin but also a relatively small Y cabin (because of L2/R2. Wouldn't make any sense to further reduce the J cabin when it's the front that carries most of the weight (yield that is).

Again, it was just assumed on here that the 76Zs will be coming from the 76Gs but they are not. The 76Gs will most likely have the same count up front at 30BE going flatbed.

There's another big fleet addition (sort of) coming soon but I won't let that cat out the bag just yet.

[Edited 2012-10-05 10:15:13]
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 16):

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):

I thought the aircraft with the door 2 issue (76Gs) are ships 1501-1506, the ex-Gulf Air ships. Am I missing something here?

Yeah, I don't understand either. What does the G have to do with those ships? I thought those were L's or U's.
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
There's another big fleet addition (sort of) coming soon but I won't let that cat out the bag just yet.

So are we talking about addition to on board products or more flying widgets and if its the later how many widgets are we talking bout?  
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
There's another big fleet addition (sort of) coming soon but I won't let that cat out the bag just yet.

Oh that's so unfair, you know we're all dying to know  
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 19):
So are we talking about addition to on board products or more flying widgets and if its the later how many widgets are we talking bout?

I don't know how many frames but mroe widgets.

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 20):
Oh that's so unfair, you know we're all dying to know

Well, I did hint it a couple weeks ago but no one picked up on it. Like I said, not really a huge deal but a nwe add.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 21):
I don't know how many frames but mroe widgets.

Widebody or narrowbody? If narrowbody, could it be a 737 MAX order, perhaps to replace some MD-88s?

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 22):



Narrowbody.

Again, let's not get too excited nothing earth shattering but sort of left field.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):

The G model 767's will also be converted to 26 J 200Y
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
Narrowbody.

Again, let's not get too excited nothing earth shattering but sort of left field.

Here is a list of possibilities:
  • A 737 MAX order
  • An A320neo order
  • Purchase of the Saudia MD-90s
  • More 737NGs
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
Again, let's not get too excited nothing earth shattering but sort of left field.

Is the "fleet addition" going to be the entire AS fleet? Is that what this "Big Announcement" is for Monday?   
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 12):
Evidently 6 mod lines and. ALL 76's should be done summer /13.

I also heard that they will be doing 6 at a time, but that about 40-50 of the 58 will be done by summer 2013; the rest between Sept and Dec 2013.

The ones currently in mods are ships 199 (to be the first 76Z; supposed to be back in service mid-October), 182, 1200, 1201, 1602, 1705 (all to be 76L).

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Again, it was just assumed on here that the 76Zs will be coming from the 76Gs but they are not. The 76Gs will most likely have the same count up front at 30BE going flatbed.
Quoting papatango (Reply 24):
The G model 767's will also be converted to 26 J 200Y

I had been told that the 76Gs will also be converted to the 76Z (in addition to the 13 76U ships 187-199)...for a total of 20 76Zs (ships 187-199, 1501-1506, and ship 1521 (N394DL)).
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
Narrowbody.

Again, let's not get too excited nothing earth shattering but sort of left field.

Given another thread on a AS/DL announcement in SEA on Monday, I wonder if this is going to be a number of AS aircraft flying in DL colours? Sort of franchise type deal?
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):

OK, we give...
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 28):
Given another thread on a AS/DL announcement in SEA on Monday, I wonder if this is going to be a number of AS aircraft flying in DL colours? Sort of franchise type deal?

Or a merger...? Although I doubt the DOJ would allow DL to swallow another airline given that it hasn't even been three years since NW...
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 28):
aircraft flying in DL colours? Sort of franchise type deal?

Jeez, I can hear the Delta pilots moaning now
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:53 pm

EIS in December.

Quoting panamair (Reply 27):

I also heard that they will be doing 6 at a time, but that about 40-50 of the 58 will be done by summer 2013; the rest between Sept and Dec 2013.

The ones currently in mods are ships 199 (to be the first 76Z; supposed to be back in service mid-October), 182, 1200, 1201, 1602, 1705 (all to be 76L).

Okay, thanks.
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
EIS in December.

That rules out any A320neo or 737MAX order.

Could it be that some of the AS aircraft on order will be transferred to DL?

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:14 pm

You guys are guessing way too big on the fleet addition. I hate to be the buzzkill but its not that exciting. Interesting maybe but not exciting.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:19 pm

So, can we distill this thread down to a consensus??
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting pqdtw (Reply 18):
I thought the aircraft with the door 2 issue (76Gs) are ships 1501-1506, the ex-Gulf Air ships. Am I missing something here?

Yeah, I don't understand either. What does the G have to do with those ships? I thought those were L's or U's.

They are called 76G's because they are all original Gulf Air aircraft

There is one more 76G - ship 1521 - N394DL - originally built for CO

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 34):

So that comes down to 10-15 used 717, or maybe some rumored md88 from SAS. As much as I would like to see them pick up all the MD90's from Saudi, but I don't think that will happen.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting deltacto (Reply 36):

Lol, thanks! I know that already... I work them every week... I meant the response. I was confused because we were talking about the G's, and somehow the answer to that was regarding non-G ships. Anyway, that's now cleared up, except

Quoting panamair (Reply 27):

If the G's are being converted to Z config, how will that happen with the 2 doors in the way. I'm sure there will be another alphabet letter added to the 76ER fleet to differentiate the subtle difference that ship will have with seating, jumpseats and lav location.
 
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RE: DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting pqdtw (Reply 38):
If the G's are being converted to Z config, how will that happen with the 2 doors in the way. I'm sure there will be another alphabet letter added to the 76ER fleet to differentiate the subtle difference that ship will have with seating, jumpseats and lav location.

Perhaps 76H (next letter after G) or 76Y (previous letter before Z).
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting deltacto (Reply 36):

There is one more 76G - ship 1521 - N394DL - originally built for CO

If it was originally built for CO, did it actually fly for them and if so what was the reg. # ? It last flew for Asiana as HL7505 and was delivered to DL on 04/21/1998.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:59 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 34):
You guys are guessing way too big on the fleet addition. I hate to be the buzzkill but its not that exciting. Interesting maybe but not exciting.



Yes, very interesting. I still don't think it makes sens but oh well.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:29 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 40):
If it was originally built for CO, did it actually fly for them and if so what was the reg. # ?

CO never flew any 763ERs. All 763ERs ordered by CO went straight from PAE to other operators.

CO also ordered 343s as well. IIRC, these birds went straight from TLS to CX.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 39):
Perhaps 76H (next letter after G) or 76Y (previous letter before Z).

There will be a code for the mod transition but once complete it will most likely revert back to 76G.

The M8R/M9K codes are going away next month. The 32R code will be reverting back to 320.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting FlyASAguy2005 (Reply 41):
Yes, very interesting. I still don't think it makes sens but oh well.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess some used A319s based on you guys' reaction and on what might currently be priced right for an opportunistic acquirer.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 43):
The M8R/M9K codes are going away next month. The 32R code will be reverting back to 320.

Will the 76D revert to 764, considering that is now the only 764ER configuration?
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 45):
Will the 76D revert to 764, considering that is now the only 764ER configuration?

All the sub codes will eventually go away (that are no longer needed). 76D, M8R, M9K (both gone this month), 32R (already gone), 76U (everything's going back to 76L), 74S, etc.

There are no more "75Us" all 757 gates systemwide have been converted to park 757s w/winglets.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:28 am

Are the overhead bins being modified?
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:16 am

possible new subfleet for transcon service and possible expansion of transcon to include SEA...
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:30 am

Quoting questions (Reply 47):

yes.
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