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SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:01 am

John Wayne airport has called upon all the airlines that operate into SNA and asked if any airline is interested in operating to Hawaii from SNA. Southwest is possibly interested in this route with their brand new 737-800 ETOPS configured aircraft.

Read the Article:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/southwest-372553-hawaii-jwa.html

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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:04 am

I thought the 737-800 would have to take uneconomical weight restrictions (e.g. empty seats) out of SNA to Hawaii. Otherwise, AS might already have tried it. The 73G can do it, but neither AS or WN will have these ETOPS equipped.

Will WN be okay with blocking off 20-30 seats westbound?
 
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:04 am

I think it is very likely that LAX is added, not sure about SNA though.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
Will WN be okay with blocking off 20-30 seats westbound?

Probably not which is why I don't think this will happen.

[Edited 2012-09-27 17:05:47]
 
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
I thought the 737-800 would have to take uneconomical weight restrictions (e.g. empty seats) out of SNA to Hawaii. Otherwise, AS might already have tried it. The 73G can do it, but neither AS or WN will have these ETOPS equipped.

Will WN be okay with blocking off 20-30 seats westbound?

AirNav.com shows SNA to have two parallel runways. The longer of the two (1L/19R) is 5701 ft with a displaced threshold for landing. The other (1R/19L) is 2887 feet.

Considering SNA's rather extreme, NIMBY-inspired, noise abatement procedures, I can't see any 737 series plane getting off the ground at maximum fuel and load factor.   
 
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:20 am

FYI, this subject did get some discussion in this current thread:

SWA Flight Attendants Approve Hawaii (by hiloboy1 Sep 21 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:39 am

I don't see AS bothering with this unless there is some sort of subsidy from SNA to help cover the losses from the weight restrictions. Even with subsidies, AS may not even bother. Look at Adak service. They planned on dropping it, even with the subsidy. I am sure once there is a reasonable (notice I say REASONABLE) offer from another carrier, I'm sure Adak will be gone. So even though LA-Hawaii seems like a large gap in Alaska's Hawaii expansion, I think they have made it very clear that the market is simply too crowded and is unlikely to happen anytime soon. Plus, SAN is more than capable of serving the Alaska's SoCal-Hawaii needs!  

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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:03 am

How long ago did CO/UA pull out of this route? I believe they also went to OGG or another destination in Hawaii...I don't think it was daily.
 
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:26 am

I could see LAX, SAN, and OAK and PHX being the opening WN cities to Hawaii. I wish it would happen, but unless SNA lengthens their runways and lifts some restrictions, i don't see Hawaii in their futures.
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:40 am

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 7):
I wish it would happen, but unless SNA lengthens their runways and lifts some restrictions, i don't see Hawaii in their futures

that would be a tough one, with the 55 on one end and the 405 on the other end!
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 5):
I don't see AS bothering with this unless there is some sort of subsidy from SNA to help cover the losses from the weight restrictions. Even with subsidies, AS may not even bother

Well, we know that AS hasn't done anything with the route in the last few years (while growing Hawaii big time) so I would think it unlikely that they would, even it some $$ were offered by the local government.

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 5):
Plus, SAN is more than capable of serving the Alaska's SoCal-Hawaii needs!

I hope even more-so in the not-too-distant future...  

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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 8):

Not to be picky, but it's the 73 that's on one end with the 405 on the other end...
 
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:12 am

Quoting TommyBoy (Reply 10):
Not to be picky, but it's the 73 that's on one end with the 405 on the other end...

No worries, it's been awhile since I lived behind the Orange Curtain.

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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:15 am

Quoting TommyBoy (Reply 10):
Not to be picky, but it's the 73 that's on one end with the 405 on the other end...

Sorry! It's been awhile since I lived down that way.

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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 3):
Considering SNA's rather extreme, NIMBY-inspired, noise abatement procedures, I can't see any 737 series plane getting off the ground at maximum fuel and load factor.


AQ did run the 737-700 from SNA to OGG before they went under and from what I have hear it was profitable. Perhaps if AS fleet of 737-700, which they seem to run into SNA on a regular basis, shrinks to that the only run them into SNA maybe they might consider getting them ETOPS. That is a long shot.

Quoting TommyBoy (Reply 10):
73 that's on one end with the 405 on the other end.

The 73 is below ground level so the main runway could be extended over it, however, given that Newport Beach, aka NIMBY town, was given the say on extending the runway that is not going to happen any time soon.
 
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:33 am

I guess its AQ that can only make Hawaii to SNA successful. And they are belly up. I flew on CO's OGG-SNA once, it was an awesome redeye, but near empty. I'm certain they made a loss on it
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RE: SNA-Hawaii Services, Possibly WN

Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 7):
I wish it would happen, but unless SNA lengthens their runways and lifts some restrictions

None of that will happen. SNA should have been replaced by El Toro years ago, but NIMBY's killed that.

Quoting gmcc (Reply 13):
AQ did run the 737-700 from SNA to OGG before they went under and from what I have hear it was profitable.

Yep. It was pretty much the only trans-oceanic they did that was.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 14):
I flew on CO's OGG-SNA once, it was an awesome redeye, but near empty. I'm certain they made a loss on it

Because of a single experience? CO wasn't exactly a fan of non-hub mainline routes.
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