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What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:54 pm

I am guessing it had to be United, American or Eastern.

Now, I'm only talking about factory delivered aircraft, and this can be broken down into -100 or -200


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By the way, I can't find any Eastern 727 in the original livery. How many aircraft were delivered with that scheme?
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:04 pm

probably AA or United.
 
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Now, I'm only talking about factory delivered aircraft

Well if you are only talking about 727's delivered directly from Boeing:

United 230 (88 721, 38 721C, 29 722 & 75 722A)
American 167
Eastern 163
Delta 116

Keep in mind that allot US airlines augmented their 727 fleet with aircraft from other airlines ie AA got some from BN, DL operated 727s from quite a few other airlines ect..
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
Delta 116

Delta operated 116 -232s? WOW had no idea it was that high
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):
Delta operated 116 -232s? WOW had no idea it was that high

They actually flew quite a few more than that....those were just the ones delivered directly from Boeing.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):
Delta operated 116 -232s? WOW had no idea it was that high

DL operated a total of 184 727's, with 21 from NE (1972).

http://www.deltamuseum.org/M_Educati...ltaHistory_Aircraft_Boeing_727.htm
 
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:28 pm

DL was kind of late to the 727 game, weren't they? I think I first started seeing DL 727's around 1972 or so when most airlines had them by 1967 or so.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 6):
DL was kind of late to the 727 game, weren't they?

DLs first 727's came from the merger with Northeast...August 1st 1972...they didn't operate them prior to that time.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 4):
They actually flew quite a few more than that....those were just the ones delivered directly from Boeing.

Well, yeah, the Northeast, Western, Pan Am....etc...just didn't realize they had ordered that many from Boeing.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 6):
so when most airlines had them by 1967 or so.

United Air Lines: 29th October 1963
Eastern Airlines: 15th November 1963
American Airlines: 17th January 1964
TWA: 21st April 1964
National Airlines: 21st October 1964
Northwest Airlines: 12-Nov-1964
PSA: 06-Apr-1965
Pan Am: 22-Dec-1965
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:41 pm

Continental, Allegheny, Braniff??
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 8):
.just didn't realize they had ordered that many from Boeing.

Yup....they took delivery of their first 727 from Boeing on 23-Jan-1973 and their last on 12-Nov-1981.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 8):
Pan Am....etc

Actually most if not all of the 24 727s they acquired from PA were not originally ordered by PA...they came from a bunch of different operators.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 10):
Continental, Allegheny, Braniff??

Continental 51
Braniff 97

Allegheny just took a couple direct from Boeing...the rest were second hand or acquired via their mergers with PSA and Piedmont.

If you would like to know more Boeing has a wonderful tool on their website that lets you search for orders and deliveries.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...definedselection.cfm&pageid=m15527
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:38 pm

Didn't Pan Am get a couple of Ozark's 727s before Ozark ever operated them? Not sure I'd call those second hand since if memory serves me right they never operated a route for Ozark.
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:52 pm

How big was NW's 727 fleet? I doubt it was over 200, but it seemed pretty large.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
How big was NW's 727 fleet?

85 delivered direct from Boeing....I'm not sure if they took any second hand 727's
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:07 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):

NW picked up Republics in the merger
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
I'm not sure if they took any second hand 727's

I don't know any exact numbers, but NW got some through their acquisition of Republic 1. RC's 727s were a combination of aircraft delivered direct from Boeing and second hand from the merger with Hughes Airwest.
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 16):
I don't know any exact numbers, but NW got some through their acquisition of Republic 1. RC's 727s were a combination of aircraft delivered direct from Boeing and second hand from the merger with Hughes Airwest.

Forgot about them....if the tool on Boeing site is right that's around 20 frames so NW operated over a hundred at one point.
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:19 pm

I'm not sure what the total number that we had at DL was, considering the factory fresh ones, the ones from NE, WA and PA and not counting the -95s from NE, but I seem to remember that ship #546 was the 1000th one that was delivered to any airline from Boeing. It seems that there was another milestone 727 that we took delivery of, but not really sure about that.
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 6):
DL was kind of late to the 727 game, weren't they? I think I first started seeing DL 727's around 1972 or so when most airlines had them by 1967 or so.

And, in true Delta fashion, the last operator of the type in passenger service in the US (well, counting the majors, not guys like Champion Air). They were still flying 727's in the early 2000's  
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 17):
Quoting 4everRC (Reply 16):
I don't know any exact numbers, but NW got some through their acquisition of Republic 1. RC's 727s were a combination of aircraft delivered direct from Boeing and second hand from the merger with Hughes Airwest.

Forgot about them....if the tool on Boeing site is right that's around 20 frames so NW operated over a hundred at one point.

Republic took delivery of 7 new 722s from Boeing. They also inherited 8 from the merger with Hughes Airwest, plus 3 originally delivered to Ansett Australia and were operated by Wien Air Alaska before going to Republic.

Looks like all 18 of those aircraft went to NW as part of the Republic merger, but NW appears to have leased out the 3 ex-Ansett aircraft and they had many subsequent operators. Not sure if they were ever operated by NW.

NW also acquired 9 ex-Eastern 722s in 1992 after Eastern went bust, and 4 ex-Braniff in 1982-83 after their demise.
 
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:50 pm

How many did AS take and or operate?
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:59 pm

Sad, isn't it, that many of the above mentioned airlines are no longer with us, and those who are no longer operate the mighty 3-holer beauty.

Ah well, at least I've got a jumpseat on one a couple of days from now, going into somewhere hot and dusty and the flying is a bit more ..... inspired  
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 21):
How many did AS take and or operate?

7

Most of these types of questions can be answered at:
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...definedselection.cfm&pageid=m15527

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 23):
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 21):
How many did AS take and or operate?

7

The question was how many did they take and/or operate. While they only took delivery of 7 new 727s directly from Boeing (3 -100C combis and 4 -200s), they operated a total of 57, acquired from a wide variety of other carriers.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 6):

You can say that again. The widget had an aversion to Boeing until they took over Northeast and inherited their "yellow birds" It wasn't really an aversion but their President/CEO had a "gentlemen's agreement" with Douglass/McDonnal Douglass. They considered Lockheed Electras but opted out due to delivery issues. DL actually had their L1011's in service before they got hold of Boeing metal.

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 6):
DL was kind of late to the 727 game, weren't they?

DLs first 727's came from the merger with Northeast...August 1st 1972...they didn't operate them prior to that time.

As a sidenote, Northeast was the launch customer and first operator of the 727-200.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):

I'm not sure what the total number that we had at DL was, considering the factory fresh ones, the ones from NE, WA and PA and not counting the -95s from NE, but I seem to remember that ship #546 was the 1000th one that was delivered to any airline from Boeing. It seems that there was another milestone 727 that we took delivery of, but not really sure about that.

Don't forget Delta also received some 727''s from EA around '91
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:33 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 25):
DL actually had their L1011's in service before they got hold of Boeing metal.

Actually, they didn't........DL started service with the 747 in 1970 and we were flying 727s, both -95s and -295s from NE in 1972, but didn't start flying the Tristars until about '73.


And while they were predominantly a "Douglas" user, they also used Convair 340s/440s before they were replaced by the DC-9s.....they also used Lockheed 10 Electras in the 30s as well as Connies in the 50s. When DL really started buying Douglas products, in the 40s, Boeing really didn't have a good competitor for the DC-3 and really didn't have the extensive product offerings that Douglas did, until the jet age. By the time jets came along, DL had a pretty good fleet of Douglas products and liked them, pretty well. What DL bought from Douglas, fit their route structure pretty well, until the NE merger when the route system started to expland.

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:44 pm

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And while they were predominantly a "Douglas" user, they also used Convair 340s/440s before they were replaced by the DC-9s.

Plus 17 Convair 880s.between 1960-62 and 1973-74.


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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
Plus 17 Convair 880s.between 1960-62 and 1973-74.

Actually, it was between 1960 and 1973.........no gap inbetween



Here's a chart of DL's a/c that they've had, over the years (no fleet numbers) but it does show the years they were operated.


This is from the Delta Heritage Museum website:


All Aircraft
Manufacturer & Model Type Service Dates
Airbus 310 Jet 1991-1995
Airbus 319 Jet 2008-present
Airbus 320 Jet 2008-present
Airbus 330 Jet 2008-present
Boeing 727 Jet 1972-2003
Boeing 737 Jet 1983-present
Boeing 747 Jet 1970-1977, 2008-present
Boeing 757 Jet 1984-present
Boeing 767 Jet 1982-present
Boeing 777 Jet 1999-present
Convair 340 Propeller 1952-1970
Convair 440 Propeller 1956-1970
Convair 880 Jet 1960-1973
Curtiss C-46 Propeller 1957-1966
Douglas C-47 Propeller 1946-1957
Douglas DC-2 Propeller 1940-1941
Douglas DC-3 Propeller 1940-1960
Douglas DC-4 Propeller 1946-1953
Douglas DC-6 Propeller 1948-1968
Douglas DC-7 Propeller 1954-1968
Douglas DC-8 Jet 1959-1989
Douglas DC-9 Jet 1965-1993, 2008-present
Fairchild-Hiller FH-227B Turbo-Prop 1972-1974
Huff-Daland Duster Crop duster 1924-ca.1948
Lockheed 5C Vega Propeller 1935-1937
Lockheed 8A Sirius Propeller 1935-1937
Lockheed 10 Electra Propeller 1935-1942
Lockheed Constellation Propeller 1953-1958
Lockheed L-100 Turbo-Prop 1966-1973
Lockheed L-1011 Jet 1973-2001
McDonnell Douglas DC-10 Jet 1972-1975, 1987-1988
McDonnell Douglas MD-11 Jet 1991-2005
McDonnell Douglas MD-88 Jet 1987-present
McDonnell Douglas MD-90 Jet 1995-present
Stearman C3B Crop duster 1934-1937
Stearman PT-17 Crop duster 1945-1967
Stinson A Propeller 1935-1938
Stinson T Propeller 1934-1937
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Travel Air S-6000-B Propeller 1929-1930
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:13 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 30):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
Plus 17 Convair 880s.between 1960-62 and 1973-74.

Actually, it was between 1960 and 1973.........no gap inbetween

Sorry, I didn't intend to show that there was a gap, just that they were delivered between 1960 and 1962 and disposed of in 1973/74.

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
I seem to remember that ship #546 was the 1000th one that was delivered to any airline from Boeing. It seems that there was another milestone 727 that we took delivery of, but not really sure about that.


546 was the final factory delivery......474 was the "1000th." In 2000, we used the wingtip of 474 to repair this plane:

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...ef.aspx?ev_id=20001212X20664&key=1


The other DL milestone a/c was ship 306, the "1000th" 737 delivered.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 32):

Did #546 have a plaque on the bulkhead, next to the cockpit door, that stated this? I seem to remember that, there.
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:49 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 33):
Did #546 have a plaque on the bulkhead, next to the cockpit door, that stated this? I seem to remember that, there.

I never saw a plaque on 546, but 306 had a nice one from the factory stating "1000th" 737 delivered.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:59 pm

I thought the final factory delivered passenger 727 went to USAir. Did this plane make its way to Delta?
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:39 pm

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I thought the final factory delivered passenger 727 went to USAir. Did this plane make its way to Delta?

No, never operated by DL.


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Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 32):
546 was the final factory delivery
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 35):
I thought the final factory delivered passenger 727 went to USAir. Did this plane make its way to Delta?

Sorry, I should have clarified...


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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:57 pm

Ah, understood. Thanks for the clarification. I remember the DL 727s well; I flew them frequently SFO-DFW back when I was commuting between SFO and FLL. Interestingy, the SFO-DFW leg always seemed to be a 72, while we generally got a bigger plane (usually a 762) between DFW and FLL. The best was having a compressor stall on departure from SFO, other than the loud bang everything proceeded normally on the takeoff.
 
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:11 am

On the international side I remember Mexicana used to boast they had the largest 727 fleet outside of the United States. Looking at the Boeing site I count 39 727s ordered and delivered (4 727-100s and 35 727-200s). Now maybe by the early 90s that might have been the case but I see Lufthansa had 53 727s delivered. Of note Air Canada had 39 and Iberia 37, both only ordered the 727-200.

So outside the US the largest were:
Lufthansa - 53 (16 -100s, 11 -100Cs, 26 -200s)
Air Canada - 39 (All -200s)
Mexicana - 39 (4 -100s, 35 -200s)
Iberia - 37 (All -200s)
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:59 am

I am being dense on this one - more dense than normal - how would FedEx stack up?
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 40):

I am being dense on this one - more dense than normal - how would FedEx stack up?

Directly from Boeing they only took 15 new ones...everything else was second hand.
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 40):
I am being dense on this one - more dense than normal - how would FedEx stack up?

I doubt that any of the 727s that FedEx had were new, but used and converted to freighters.
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:11 am

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I doubt that any of the 727s that FedEx had were new, but used and converted to freighters.

Oddly enough, the first factory produced 727-200Fs were the only factory delivered 727s to FX and the last 727s off the line. I've seen one up close, they look odd without any plugged windows.
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:14 am

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I doubt that any of the 727s that FedEx had were new, but used and converted to freighters.

They had them delivered directly from Boeing, including the last off the line if I am not mistaken. Most were conversions second hand though.
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:14 am

I forget, but didn't Delta also get some ExEAL 727-200adv during the fire sale that got us the L-1011s. I could have sworn the EAL 727 had the 3 step fuel lever, with enrich. while the rest of the fleet had 2 pos fuel lever. Or maybe they were the ExPAA German fleet 727s. Its been a long time  
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:15 am

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Connies in the 50's? Never could find a picture of a DL Conny. I believe I learned from A-Net that DL was going to lease or buy used Connies from Pan Am but, they were so roached out (worn) that DL never put them in revenue service hence the literal non-existance of pictures. However if I'm wrong please correct me and post pictures.  
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:21 am

Quoting n901wa (Reply 45):
I forget, but didn't Delta also get some ExEAL 727-200adv during the fire sale that got us the L-1011s. I could have sworn the EAL 727 had the 3 step fuel lever, with enrich. while the rest of the fleet had 2 pos fuel lever.

Yes, the -225s had the three position start lever and a different fire warning system (Systron Donner?).

The real oddball was the DL shuttle -243 with nosewheel brakes and composite hard panels (non velcro) in the airstair area.
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 12):

PA did indeed take the 2 727s that Ozark ordered direct from Boeing. At least one was painted in full Ozark colors and it looked good.
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RE: What Airline Ordered The Most 727s?

Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:41 am

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 39):
On the international side I remember Mexicana used to boast they had the largest 727 fleet outside of the United States. Looking at the Boeing site I count 39 727s ordered and delivered (4 727-100s and 35 727-200s).


I seem to recall when I worked for MX that they flew around 50 727-200s, including the leased birds, at one point in the mid to late 80s.

I remember 4 examples that came from EA, with brown tray tables and built in forward air stairs, an ex VASP bird as well as two that came from LACSA and one from Aerolineas Argentinas.... just to name a few of the "oddballs" in the fleet.

I dearly miss the 727-200. I did weight and balance on them for 20 years. Load it up, max it out, and it would fly!

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When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward -Leonardo DaVinci

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