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Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:57 pm

Will us airways ever base the E190 in CLT, We used to have a lot of flights with the E190 years ago, to PIT,ILM,CHS,MYR,LGA,ATL,JAX etc...,.

I understand there acquiring 5 more from republic and 2 will be delivered in Q4 and the rest in Q1 of next year
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:17 pm

Last rumor was that they would take over all of the shuttle flying.

Then again I heard the short time and large amount of cycles the shuttle markets create are not good for the jungle jet.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:40 pm

I think, I'm so sure that there used to be an E190 base in CLT. With them acquiring E190s from F9/Republic, who knows what will happen.

Looking at the current flight schedule, I see an E190 (or E90 as US calls it) flying CLT-RDU, but thats it out of CLT.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):

We also get a E190 flys CLT-PHL on Saturdays

We used to have a base here years ago
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:41 am

Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt US give 190's to Republic as payment for regional flying a few years ago??
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:56 am

Quoting womenbeshoppin (Reply 4):
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt US give 190's to Republic as payment for regional flying a few years ago??

No, It was a sale when US was trying to raise its cash position. Now the role is reversed and RP would like to unload them.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:07 am

Quoting b757capt (Reply 5):
No, It was a sale when US was trying to raise its cash position. Now the role is reversed and RP would like to unload them.

RP gave US a 35 million dollar loan, I thought RP was applying the balance of the loan to the purchase of the aircraft and will assume the remaining debt on the aircraft.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:39 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 3):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):

Also, AWE1162 (CLT-DCA) is an E90 on Saturdays. I was booked onit on a Friday and was an a319. I wa kinda jealous  
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:26 am

The CLT E190 pilot base was only open a few years. It closed December 31, 2009 with the sale of the ten aircraft to Republic.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

BTW, I just noticed a flaw in my earlier post. It was flight 1062 not 1162.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:16 pm

A bit off topic, I know, but....is it within the realm of possibility that an E190 base could be opened up in PHX? There's a few markets out west that would be about perfect for that sized aircraft - SAT, FAT, BUR, SBA, ABQ, AUS, TUS, among others
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting b757capt (Reply 1):
Then again I heard the short time and large amount of cycles the shuttle markets create are not good for the jungle jet.

It's a regional jet - never heard this from any other airlines operating them.


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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:38 pm

Thats what the Mesa CRJ9s are for...
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting midex461 (Reply 10):
A bit off topic, I know, but....is it within the realm of possibility that an E190 base could be opened up in PHX? There's a few markets out west that would be about perfect for that sized aircraft - SAT, FAT, BUR, SBA, ABQ, AUS, TUS, among others

How would the E-190 perform in such a hot climate? I know F9 flies them to PHX but it's not that much. Just 1-2x a day. I think that's where the CRJ-900s shine.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
How would the E-190 perform in such a hot climate? I know F9 flies them to PHX but it's not that much. Just 1-2x a day. I think that's where the CRJ-900s shine.

They have no problem with the 321s at PHX, I don't think the E190 would have a problem.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
They have no problem with the 321s at PHX,

That's not completely true. US' a321s have been historically underpowered and have to cruise at low altitudes, especially in that area. Many of their a321 flights out of PHX cruise around 29,000 feet.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 15):
Many of their a321 flights out of PHX cruise around 29,000 feet.

Have you got some empirical evidence that 321s cruise lower ex-PHX? Let's look at today's PHX-CLT flights and their cruising altitudes:

300 (321): 37,000
302 (752): 29,000
304 (321): 35,000
306 (321): 35,000

Where are all the 321 flights cruising at 29,000?
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:44 pm

Several years ago I got an E90 flight on ORD-CLT, was a nice change from the B734s that they use now. As I fly US a lot on ORD-CLT-RSW, I wish they would go back to the E90 on the ORD-CLT leg.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:30 am

How did we go from E190 to 321s?? Ive seen the F9 190s here in phx just about twice a day and Midwests 190s it seems like once a week.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):

In the summer many a321 flights that in the summer, do to the heat and length of the flights, do cruise at low altitudes. I have friends that go to FAT through PHX three times a year and whenever they are on a321s from JFK to PHX they cruise at or around 29,000-30,000 feet.

Did a quick search and found a few....

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20120930/1326Z/KCLT/KDEN cruised at 30,000 feet
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20120930/2210Z/KPHL/KDEN cruising at 26000 feet
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20120930/2149Z/KPHL/KSFO still climbing, but filed 26,000 feet
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...9/history/20120930/2155Z/KPHL/KLAX cruising at 30,000 feet
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20120929/1150Z/KCLT/KSAN cruised at 30,000 feet
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...9/history/20120930/1330Z/KCLT/KSEA cruised at 30,000 feet
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A.../history/20120930/1524Z/KCLT/KPHX/ cruised at 30,000 feet
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20120930/1840Z/KCLT/KPHX cruised at 30,000 feet

But these are just a few...

[Edited 2012-09-30 17:43:57]
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:56 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 15):
That's not completely true. US' a321s have been historically underpowered

Wasn't that the early 100 model?

USAirways never owned them. They own the 200 model.

I've flown A321s all over the US and coast-to-coast in Canada. I don't know where people get this 'underpowered' stuff.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 19):
Did a quick search and found a few....

But those "spot checks" tell us nothing. Where is other equipment on the same route cruising? I've cruised at 25,000 feet on a WN 73G with 20 passengers. Obviously, that has nothing to do with the airplane's capabilities.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:21 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):

I checked for all those routes and the other flightsmwere cruising at normal altitudes (34,000-37,000 feet), or else I would have posted them. You can check for yourself. I started a thread about this a few months ago and I am going off what I was told by multiple people told me. I'm not saying that they were all correct, but when numerous people say the same thing, I tend to think that something is probably correct.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 22):
I checked for all those routes and the other flightsmwere cruising at normal altitudes (34,000-37,000 feet), or else I would have posted them.

All right. Why is PHX-CLT so much different? When I check that route, I see what I posted. I don't think flightaware can settle this argument. There are too many other variables.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 17):
Several years ago I got an E90 flight on ORD-CLT, was a nice change from the B734s that they use now. As I fly US a lot on ORD-CLT-RSW, I wish they would go back to the E90 on the ORD-CLT leg.

Not sure when the last time you flew US on ORD-CLT was, but the route is almost exclusively 321s nowadays - seven out of eight flights to be exact with some exceptions on Saturdays.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:28 am

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 24):
Not sure when the last time you flew US on ORD-CLT was, but the route is almost exclusively 321s nowadays - seven out of eight flights to be exact with some exceptions on Saturdays.

It has been about a year, maybe two since I last flew US ORD-CLT. My last flight was a B734, I know that much because I was thinking it might be my last B734 flight. I briefly looked at US when planning my flight to RSW for Christmas, but the over $1000 ticket price made me look elsewhere, ended up using my Aadvantage miles for a flight.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:25 am

Once in a blue moon you will see an E90 on the CLT and PHL to NAS route. And I believe I saw one on a PHL to MBJ route the other day. Nice little aircraft, but horrible to cargo load.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):

Where were you getting your information? Flightaware and a realtime PlaneFinder app are the only resources I have so if you have a better one I'll be happy to concede my previous statements
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:12 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
I think, I'm so sure that there used to be an E190 base in CLT. With them acquiring E190s from F9/Republic, who knows what will happen.

Looking at the current flight schedule, I see an E190 (or E90 as US calls it) flying CLT-RDU, but thats it out of CLT.

The E190 is a rare visitor to CLT. Based on the October 2012 flight schedule, it is operating the following number of departures from CLT this month to only four destinations:

RDU - 27 (~1 daily)
PHL - 8
BWI - 4
MHT - 4

Would guess the less than daily frequencies are Saturday-only or other schedule adjustments when the E190 fleet is not so heavily utilized on BOS-PHL and BOS-LGA.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting womenbeshoppin (Reply 26):
Once in a blue moon you will see an E90 on the CLT and PHL to NAS route. And I believe I saw one on a PHL to MBJ route the other day. Nice little aircraft, but horrible to cargo load.

US flies them PHL-MBJ, and occasionally places them on PLS-CLT/PHL.
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 27):
Where were you getting your information?

Flightaware.

Today's flights . . .

680 (320): 35,000
300 (321): 35,000
302 (752): 37,000
304 (321): 35,000
306 (321): 33,000
1550 (321): Filed for 35,000

Again, where's the "disadvantage" for the 321?
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:53 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):

Ok, I see I was wrong to say that the a321s have disadvantages. But in the summer you do see a lot of them flying lower, probably due to the heat. You are right, though because most of the time they cruise at normal altitudes. I apologize.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:38 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 31):

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):

Ok, I see I was wrong to say that the a321s have disadvantages. But in the summer you do see a lot of them flying lower, probably due to the heat. You are right, though because most of the time they cruise at normal altitudes. I apologize.

Is there a difference between the East US and the ones acquired for the West operations?

Also, yes the YV CRJ-900s work well in hot/high temps. But how well is the E190? Before I left ABQ, Embraer brought both the 170 and 190s in for High Altitude tests. The first time I spotted one I thought it was some new Mini-Airbus. Then when got a good look at one, it had the Embraer logo.

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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:45 am

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 32):

Is there a difference between the East US and the ones acquired for the West operations?

The older East 321s with the 1xx ship numbers have CFM engines are are generally the aircraft that tend to have an issue at times. The West and new East 321s with 5xx ship numbers have the IAE engines and perform much better in the heat.
 
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RE: Will US Ever Base E190 In CLT

Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:43 am

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 33):
The older East 321s with the 1xx ship numbers have CFM engines are are generally the aircraft that tend to have an issue at times. The West and new East 321s with 5xx ship numbers have the IAE engines and perform much better in the heat.

This is correct. It's a bit more complicated for the A321s operated on the east side of the airline. Boberito is correct that the initial A321 delivered in the early 2000s to US were equipped with CFM engines and are registered N1xx. However, five additional A321s with a slightly differenet variant of the CFM engine arrived between summer 2008 and summer 2009 to the east side (N193UW - N197UW). During this same period the west side of the operation received its first A321s with IAE engines.

Since those five aircraft in 2008-09, all deliveries, no matter which side of the operation they belong to, have been with IAE engines.

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