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Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:56 pm

First- Does anyone know if this is true, as this article from flight global incidates, and if they did, does anyone know from whence these ATR-42's are coming from?

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...waiian-buys-two-turboprops-376101/
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:05 pm

Thread about it here...

Hawaiian Air To Purchase Turboprops...

and here...

Island Air New ATR 72 Ferry Tracking Today To HNL

[Edited 2012-09-29 16:08:47]
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:22 pm

I think I remember seeing one of our old ATRs heading out that way. (American Eagle)
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:46 pm

Quoting jetMARC (Reply 1):
Thread about it here...

Hawaiian Air To Purchase Turboprops...

and here...

Island Air New ATR 72 Ferry Tracking Today To HNL

Actually those threads talk about Hawaiian Air Acquiring turboprop aircraft, after HAL made an announcement that they intended on doing so. The aritcle above, states they have leased ATR-42's for their new Interland TurboProp operation.
My question is does anyone know where these ATR42s that the article specifically mentions are coming from.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:26 am

things are about to get interesting in Molokai & Lanai...
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:15 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 4):
things are about to get interesting in Molokai & Lanai...

I'm sure Lana'i is already interesting since the island was sold recently. It will be interesting to see ATR's in HA color scheme. I haven't seen one since I flew one of their Dash 7's from OGG-HNL.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:59 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 4):
things are about to get interesting in Molokai & Lanai

I have flown just about everything there is to fly in and out of MKK, including 3 types on HA alone, SD330, Dash7, D95
AQ (but then TS) 73S, the numerous Air Molokai flights and aircraft, I guess what I'm saying is that it is getting back to normal, HA even ran 21 DC9's a day when the props last left the fleet routed HNL-MKK-LNY-OGG.
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Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):
AQ (but then TS) 73S, the numerous Air Molokai flights and aircraft, I guess what I'm saying is that it is getting back to normal, HA even ran 21 DC9's a day when the props last left the fleet routed HNL-MKK-LNY-OGG.

The difference is that the exit of Molokai Ranch led to the closure of Molokai's two former Sheraton hotels, leaving no mainstream hotels at all on the island.

I would argue that Molokai has gone backwards from the 1950s to the 1930s in the last five years. Even ATR-42s might be too big.
 
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Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
The difference is that the exit of Molokai Ranch led to the closure of Molokai's two former Sheraton hotels, leaving no mainstream hotels at all on the island.

I would argue that Molokai has gone backwards from the 1950s to the 1930s in the last five years. Even ATR-42s might be too big.

That's too bad. But there are several smaller hotels along the south shore of Molokai.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:51 pm

Does anyone know when they will start hiring for this service?
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):
HA even ran 21 DC9's a day when the props last left the fleet routed HNL-MKK-LNY-OGG.

HA never had 21 daily DC-9 flights to MKK or LNY. You must have meant 2 daily flights. One was in the morning and one in the afternoon.
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
The difference is that the exit of Molokai Ranch led to the closure of Molokai's two former Sheraton hotels, leaving no mainstream hotels at all on the island.

I sure liked the Kalua Koi Hotel, I stayed there again when it was an Aston, and it was not the same at all. My folks used to have a condo at Wavecrest on the ball of the foot of the Island.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):
HA even ran 21 DC9's a day when the props last left the fleet routed HNL-MKK-LNY-OGG.

I did mean 2 not 21, 21 would be an absurd amount of flights to MKK from anywhere.

Quoting ha763 (Reply 10):
HA never had 21 daily DC-9 flights to MKK or LNY. You must have meant 2 daily flights. One was in the morning and one in the afternoon.

Yes that is exactly what I meant, just added an extra 1 to that two. Yes morning and later afternoon runs, I used to take to LNY and stay at Manele Bay for the weekend. The flight on a DC9 from MKK to LNY is awesome, 10 mins wheels up to wheels down. very cool.
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:37 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
The flight on a DC9 from MKK to LNY is awesome, 10 mins wheels up to wheels down. very cool.

It's probably how our one of our former DC-9's (669HA) racked up the largest amount of cycles for a DC-9-50...
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:51 am

The ATR42 is a nice looking plane and a nice plane to fly in.

I have also been on Short 360. Now that was a funny looking plane and very noisy.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:03 am

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 13):
I have also been on Short 360. Now that was a funny looking plane and very noisy.

I've not been on one (though there are a few on the other side of the field in HNL) and they are, as I've heard them described, "packing crates with wings"

I assume the ride was just as comfy as you say  
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:59 pm

I've been thinking about this, and I don't think that this is about Molokai at all. If the aircraft ever go to Molokai it will be because they have some downtime between services from Honolulu to Kapalua and Lanai.

The enforced exit of Molokai Ranch a few years ago really marked the end of Molokai as a market for tourism and aviation. The island is left dominated by people who object to any form of development on principle, believing that it will introduce a class system in which people who don't want a western-style job will be second class citizens, below "rich" people - by which they don't in fact mean the visitors, but rather fellow Molokai residents with a job. In their minds you can go to live on Maui or Oahu if you want a job or for your kids to get educated: Molokai is "their" island where they should be able to live a subsistence lifestyle without having to encounter anyone who chooses another way of life. Kind of like Ni'ihau, but they'd have to learn to speak Hawaiian to live there, and they couldn't have their cars if they moved there!

A benevolent investor could seek to build a state-of-the-art environmentally-friendly sixty room authentically Hawaiian styled boutique property on Molokai and the activists would block that too, fearing that they would lose the ability to park their ancient jalopies directly in front of the post office if the island had more residents who had jobs and could afford cars, and that they would feel poor when the stores started stocking things which only tourists and people with jobs could afford.

There are now two rotting former Sheraton hotels, and the tentalows of the third, beachfront Sheraton have, I believe, been sold to a property in French Polynesia.

I can't see why Hawaiian would want to have a piece of Molokai's (in)action. But I can certainly see why they would like to be the airline transporting tourists to Kapalua en route to their stays at the 3 Westins, Marriott, Hyatt, Sheraton and Ritz-Carlton. And to Lanai for the two Four Seasons hotels.

But Molokai? I don't think so.
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:26 pm

The neighbor island business is about more than tourism. It's also about connecting the residents of the State, transporting sports teams, taking people to medical care in Honolulu, commuters going to another island to work etc... Serving all of the people in Hawaii is important to HAL, wether or not MKK is as glitzy as HNL. The neighbor islands are simply the rural parts of the State with the small towns and the simple life they provide. Yes, tourism is the life blood of the States economy, but people should never forget (HAL certainly doesn't) about the importance of the basic core of the neighbor island business: the locals.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:20 pm

I take your point, but it is still an island of only 7,000 people, with 12% unemployment and another airline already offering service.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:59 pm

let alone shuttle service on Mokulele, with exceptions of Lanai.

Just saw Mokulele is up to 13 flights a day between Kona & Kahului... I don't think anyone has ever had that many flights, and at 5 between Molokai and Kahului.
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:04 pm

Yes, a small population and high unemployment. But Hawaiian Airlines has been a fixture in the State for over 80 years. There's something to be said for the brand recognition within the State as well as the tremendous amount of community service HAL does. HAL will have no problems reconnecting with the previously served markets of MKK, LNY and JHM, even with the current service provided by WP, PacWings and Mokulele.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:14 am

A possible candidate is currently departing Europe.

Former CSA ATR42-500 OK-JFL was reregistered N801HC to a Honolulu based company, and is enroute PRG-KEF as I type.

[Edited 2012-10-14 04:14:26]
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:44 am

Guys .. to see a HA ATR42-500 livery draft have a look:
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00015422
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:48 pm

Looks like the officers of HA are also the officers of the corporation, which owns N801HC. HC stands for Hawaiian Connection?
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:55 pm

I'm not sure if I can post the link, but another website is reporting OK-JFL as "stored" and part of the Hawaiian Airlines fleet. It was operated by CSA with SkyTeam colors.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting usxguy (Reply 4):
things are about to get interesting in Molokai & Lanai...

After a long absence, HA returns to MKK & LNY, not huge news, but good news for sure. HA is bringing more options to the local population of the state and that is good.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 12):

It's probably how our one of our former DC-9's (669HA) racked up the largest amount of cycles for a DC-9-50...

It was quite a journey, HNL-MKK-LNY-OGG and OGG-MKK-LNY-HNL

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 16):
The neighbor island business is about more than tourism. It's also about connecting the residents of the State, transporting sports teams, taking people to medical care in Honolulu, commuters going to another island to work etc... Serving all of the people in Hawaii is important to HAL, wether or not MKK is as glitzy as HNL. The neighbor islands are simply the rural parts of the State with the small towns and the simple life they provide. Yes, tourism is the life blood of the States economy, but people should never forget (HAL certainly doesn't) about the importance of the basic core of the neighbor island business: the locals.
Quoting usxguy (Reply 18):
and at 5 between Molokai and Kahului.

Keep in mind, Molokai and Lanai are in Maui county, if you live on either of those two islands and need to do county business you travel to Kahalui, if it's state business, then you are off to Honolulu. If you want anything but basic groceries, you take a journey to one of the bigger Islands and ship back your, tires, appliances, etc.....
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:48 am

Also, the address given for the company that owns N801HC, is the address of Hawaiian Airlines HQ. Even the suite number matches.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:48 am

They have also reserved N804HC, so probably the next aircraft thereafter. From what we understand it will also be an ex-CSA aircraft: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-atr-42-500-for-regional-operation
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
I think I remember seeing one of our old ATRs heading out that way. (American Eagle)

Oh, Lord! Hopefully NOT!
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:40 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
I think I remember seeing one of our old ATRs heading out that way. (American Eagle)

Oh, Lord! Hopefully NOT

No, the ex-Eagle ATRs are for Island Air to replace the Dash-8s.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:16 am

I'm not sure if this will really help Island Air... isn't Eagle's main reason for getting rid of the ATRs was because they have become such maintenance issues? Island Air's big problem (and the reason HA is getting their own props) is that their reliability is in the TOILET....
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:00 pm

Quoting werdud (Reply 21):
Guys .. to see a HA ATR42-500 livery draft have a look:
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00015422
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting usxguy (Reply 29):
isn't Eagle's main reason for getting rid of the ATRs was because they have become such maintenance issues?

I'm not sure that was the reason - but those planes always did have mx issues.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:16 pm

Does anyone have any idea when this turbo prop service is going to start? I have been watching the hawaiian job site and there hasn't been anything about a turbo prop pilot on the site.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:16 am

Should start flying early next year, serving MKK and LNY. The branding Nd identity will be separate from Hawaiian Airlines. Hawaiian also stated they expect th complete the purchase of the other aircraft next month.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...eaking/174679751.html?id=174679751
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:54 pm

What will be the name of the new division or company? N801HC could stand for Hawaiian Connect or Hawaiian Commuter...
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting cruiseshipcrew (Reply 30):
What a beautiful looking bird!!

Meh. The livery is nice but the ATR always looks a bit dumpy compared to the Dash-8.
 
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RE: Hawaiian And ATR-42's For Turboprop Ops

Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:45 pm

The name for the ATR operation has not been announced.