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Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:08 am

Hello Turkish Aviation Fans,
Welcome to October 2012 edition;


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Photo © Mehmet Mustafa Celik


A beautiful night shot of this TK333.

Few updates here;
-TK still thinking about ordering 6 VLAs
-3rd TK 332F is about to join the fleet Oct.9th. 2 more to join, one plane in 2013, another in 2014.
-Dublin to go up to 10 x weekly, and TLV is going 32 X weekly starting Oct 1st.
-There is a very interesting thread on TK's African expansion;
TK Starts Kilimanjaro/ Mombasa (by leftyboarder Sep 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)
-Can someone tell us, if TK 343's got new interiors matching the 333/77W fleet? Thanks.
-Is there any truth that TK is about to sell another 30% shares?

Thanks for participating for all these years,
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:48 am

Per British Airways Turkey regional manager, LHR-IST will see 787 deployment in 2014.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:14 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-TK still thinking about ordering 6 VLAs

If I remember correctly one destination that could warrant a VLA aircraft is Bangkok, which other ones?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:53 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 2):
If I remember correctly one destination that could warrant a VLA aircraft is Bangkok, which other ones?

LAX could use I suppose, PEK and PVG as well. China bilateral limits have been reached (21 weekly freq). I assume JFK too; they could reduce summer freq from 21 to 14 with 1 A380 and 1 A333 daily.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:09 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):

Thanks for that. However, are the loads that strong to warrant such a large increase in capacity?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:12 am

Hi TK787 and thanks for a new thread  
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Dublin to go up to 10 x weekly

Thats great news indeed. The number of connections TK are now offering from DUB is great. Some colleagues of mine just booked on my recommendation. They booked online but then needed to make a change. They had to drive 50mins to Dublin Airport to the ticket desk to get re issued . Not a big deal for them but I wonder when they will not need this requirement anymore.

Good news for me is that DUB-IST-ATH is producing some excellent fares and connectons  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:41 pm

TK is looking for IT staff;
One of the responsibilities of the candidate;
"Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak";
Meaning,....to prepare and "run"....?????
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Per British Airways Turkey regional manager, LHR-IST will see 787 deployment in 2014.


Silly me. I misread your post in my initial response.

It'll be interesting to see what configuration BA will offer on the 787 for IST.

Is LHR-IST primarily a leisure route or business route?

[Edited 2012-10-01 13:07:33]
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:57 pm

There are some gossips which says TK bargaining for a 200 aircraft order, but not including VLA. This is to happen in first half of 2013. Anyone heard about it?
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 7):
Is LHR-IST primarily a leisure route or business route?

My humble opinion, more business than leisure.

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 8):
TK bargaining for a 200 aircraft order

Now that's what I call a good rumor.
Most of TK's single aisle aircraft is new, so this won't be for replacement. Maybe TK is banking on the opening of the new airport in 3-4 years time and ready for a giant expansion with NEOs.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 8):
There are some gossips which says TK bargaining for a 200 aircraft order, but not including VLA. This is to happen in first half of 2013. Anyone heard about it?

Wow... This would be crazy. Maybe one of the biggest orders ever in Europe. Maybe for substituting 20-30 of the oldest 738s plus massive growth. With this fleet in one single airport TK could dominate European traffic and make the 3rd airport challenge PEK and ATL.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:13 pm

Need more 333/77W accoding to Kotil. I think we will hear that one first.
Here is pic of the wet-leased 332;
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=8035
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:36 am

For the African routes which might see good loads, what is more likely to see from Turkish Airlines, additional frequencies or upgauging?

I also wonder if Turkish Airlines might order more B737-900s and use the African strategy but in Asia. I am sure they could open a lot of secondary airports in India like that. Or am I saying nonsense?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:30 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 12):

I wonder if India or Pakistan would ever let them. No word on additional points in India still and unable to add Lahore in Pakistan so far. Central Asian republics are also very restrictive. Iran alone can only go so far in filling the planes.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:01 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
"Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak";
Meaning,....to prepare and "run"....?????

Nothing wrong with that, "kosmak" is the IT term used when you "run an application". Both legit in Turkish and English.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:31 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 13):

Then I guess TK is lucky enough to have such easy access when it comes to Africa.

If Turkish Airlines does place an order for 200 aircraft I am sure it will only happen when the plans for the airport are finalized. Imagine the nightmare if they start arriving and the airport is not ready.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:28 am

Hello folks, just flew the leg from CAN-IST today, China market seems to be booming we were full in Y class and had 25 B class, not bad for an A340   Weather was great all the way too. Aircraft was TC-JIH
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:43 am

SAGA AIRLINES (first?) A310 left IST for delivery to Iran Air Tours- so is the A310 fleet fixed (I thought it was in long-term storage)?

TURKISH AIRLINES A330 EI-EZL will be only short leased for Hajj-ops or for long term lease? Which routes will it serve?

ex TURKISH AIRLINES A340 TC-JIK has been delivered to AIR BLUE Pakistan as AP-EDF; will we see the a/c soon on the ISB-SAW-MAN route?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:38 pm

Hi Aydın;

When are we gonna see you on a 777?  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:45 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 14):
"kosmak" is the IT term used when you "run an application"

Thanks for that, just sounded strange.

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 16):
Hello folks, just flew the leg from CAN-IST today,

Longtime no see, thanks for the update.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting debonair (Reply 17):
ex TURKISH AIRLINES A340 TC-JIK has been delivered to AIR BLUE Pakistan as AP-EDF; will we see the a/c soon on the ISB-SAW-MAN route?

If I remember correctly, it will become a direct flight
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:03 pm

The title for 'Overall Carrier Of The Year' goes to Turkish Cargo at the Payload Asia awards in Singapore.

Link: http://www.payloadasia.com/article/i...awards-2012-winners-announced/7336

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 16):
China market seems to be booming we were full in Y class and had 25 B class, not bad for an A340

Nice to see you back; TK is perfectly positioned to offer various connections to the Chinese, especially with the expansion in Africa.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:26 am

Full page ad from TK about an announcement on all TV channels at 9pm Turkish time and facebook at 8pm. Anyone has a guess ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):

A new order maybe?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:32 am

I've had a very busy summer, flying many short, medium and long haul routes. No matter what anyone says, I believe the A330 and 340 really is the backbone of turkish operations during the summer time, be it the high density europe flights, hadj or the transcontinentals. The narrow body guys have worked HARD this summer at TK to keep the schedule alive.

As far as Turkish aviation goes, we need regional and general aviation..without it, the safety of aviation in turkey will diminish. There needs to be a platform for young kids to gain experience before they hit up complicated airlines.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:05 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):
A new order maybe?

Maybe to find shareholders for further privatization.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:15 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):

Full page ad from TK about an announcement on all TV channels at 9pm Turkish time and facebook at 8pm. Anyone has a guess ?


Most probably a marketing gimmick, like a new ad that involves Kobe Bryant and maybe Messi...

See: http://www.airnewstimes.com/thy-nin-...adigi-surpriz-ne-17581-haberi.html (Turkish)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:21 pm

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 24):

I totally agree about small scale aviation before working for TK.
I just did LGA-DEN last night on DL First.
After 4 flights of Comfort on TK I must have forgot this.
Totally calm, polite, confident 30 some young lady serving a full F section in 3.5 hours of flight.
Not missings a beat, refills, small talk, sming face, in charge.
And she had all the time to read her magazines also.
It is a flying culture that starts early. I am sure she started early with props in a local market first. And appreciates the big leagues.
Bahadir can comment on this one I am sure.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:34 pm

Yes Kobe was in Turkey two weeks ago so shoot a new commercial.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:24 pm

TK-PIA cooperation rumor on again, lets see if its true, also TK interested in going daily to ISB and KHI, pending appproval.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):

I also thought the same at first but they are using buzz words like pride and flying the flag so I am thinking it could be a cooperation - like with PIA - or a Turkish flag logojet!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:54 pm

Here it is, no Kobe or Messi though...

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpCjspeUYY
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):
link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpCj...peUYY

I have to admit I love this ad. It definitely doesn't appeal much to foreigners but indeed makes me proud. Probably much better than a basketball star bouncing balls inside a plane.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):

I like it too, shame that it is in Turkish. Is there an English version? This is much better than that stupidity Wingo.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 33):

Unfortunately not as far as I can see. I can understand that, as the national anthem wouldn't ring any bells for most non-Turks.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):

liked it!
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:39 pm

I definitely liked it.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 33):
Is there an English version?

music is national anthem
English translation;
We became an airline, flying to maximum number of countries in the world..
Pride for Turkey...
Pride for all of us...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:55 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 19):
Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 14):
"kosmak" is the IT term used when you "run an application"

Thanks for that, just sounded strange.


Because it is strange. "Kosmak" can't be a legal Turkish IT term. It just can't be, well it shouldn't... but it's TR... anything can happen  

"run an application" can easily be translated as "Uygulumayi calistirmak".

In the job description it states "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak". I'm 101% sure they meant "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve calistirmak". In my opinion even Google Translate would do a better job.

You'd expect they could express themselves better in Turkish, however that job description is poorly translated from English. They went from 'poorly translated to English' to 'poorly translated to Turkish'. Amazing!

If the moto is "Globally Yours" they should really try harder to be "Globally Yours". In my opinion, TK is still having problems keeping up with their image. Especially on the language, technology, and customer service end. Buying new planes will not cut it. There are other areas crying for investment.

As much as I'm being critical, I'm proud of how far TK has come. Especially after experiencing flights with AC and AA.

My very first post after almost 2 years of wondering around on a.net. Well, I guess, Hello all  
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:38 am

Quoting TK748 (Reply 36):
music is national anthem
English translation;
We became an airline, flying to maximum number of countries in the world..
Pride for Turkey...
Pride for all of us...

Cool, thank you for that. They certainly are the pride of Turkey, whoever I speak to they love Turkish Airlines and their generous meals! 
However more and more people are complaining about delays or lost luggage...
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:10 am

Quoting ada01 (Reply 37):
"run an application" can easily be translated as "Uygulumayi calistirmak".

In the job description it states "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak". I'm 101% sure they meant "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve calistirmak". In my opinion even Google Translate would do a better job.

You'd expect they could express themselves better in Turkish, however that job description is poorly translated from English. They went from 'poorly translated to English' to 'poorly translated to Turkish'. Amazing!

I work closely with the IT industry and "koşmak" indeed is used as a Turkish equivalent of "running" in this context. It might sound strange at first, but think of the weirdness of the original English expression as well, which also seems ridiculous. It is better than the monkey English version "run etmek" which I hear equally as often.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:13 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):
I have to admit I love this ad. It definitely doesn't appeal much to foreigners but indeed makes me proud.

The ad aims for solidarity and the emphasis that we can all be proud of what TK has achieved so far. It is aimed at the Turkish public. They seem to have succeeded looking at the feedback. I do like it as well considering the purpose.

On a different topic. I was hoping to take the inaugural flight to SSH. But a change in my schedule means that I'm back with MS   No water cannons to salute....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:28 am

Its a cool commercial for the local market. TK I believe is the only airline in the world with a monopoly in its home country, with the market size of Turkey. If they are managed right they can be great.
It needs a major drama free Turkey, new airport, and decent management, the rest will follow.

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:13 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):
I have to admit I love this ad. It definitely doesn't appeal much to foreigners but indeed makes me proud. Probably much better than a basketball star bouncing balls inside a plane.


It gave me goosebumps! Probably the best ad for TK I've ever seen, but like you said it wont appeal to non-Turks.
Nevertheless, an ad to make one proud!

   TK

Just a note to all those not familiar with the music, its the Turkish national anthem played around the world.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:11 am

I was reading some news and next to an article there was interesting commercial for ING. It wrote: 'Even more non stop destinations with Turkish Airlines. Therefore we arranged a $317million credit facility for 7 Boeing B737-900ER to expand their young fleet.'
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:48 am

Quoting virgin744 (Reply 42):

There will be another ad filmed with Messi and Kobe, so it is not a big issue that this ad won't appeal for non-Turks.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:50 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 39):
I work closely with the IT industry and "koşmak" indeed is used as a Turkish equivalent of "running" in this context. It might sound strange at first, but think of the weirdness of the original English expression as well, which also seems ridiculous. It is better than the monkey English version "run etmek" which I hear equally as often.

To be honest I'm shocked to find that out... I must agree with the fact it is indeed better than monkey English, but still it is weird very weird indeed. I would have problems adjusting if I ever get to work in Turkey  

Any idea if TK will fly to YVR anytime soon? Thanks to AC it's extremely expensive to fly to YYZ and take TK to Istanbul. Sometimes it's even cheaper to fly to LAX from YVR and take TK to Istanbul. Of course taking BA or LH is still the cheapest choice. I'm hoping to take TK to Istanbul for the xmas time.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:04 am

Quoting ada01 (Reply 45):
Any idea if TK will fly to YVR anytime soon? Thanks to AC it's extremely expensive to fly to YYZ and take TK to Istanbul. Sometimes it's even cheaper to fly to LAX from YVR and take TK to Istanbul. Of course taking BA or LH is still the cheapest choice. I'm hoping to take TK to Istanbul for the xmas time.

I doubt longhaul expansion is planned in the imminent future, even EZE is waiting to be launched (and ATL has disappeared  ). Fingers crossed.

But yet more short haul, this time Malta, Krakow, Abha and Al-Qassim (both in KSA): http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...vestor_relations/special/2012.aspx
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:36 am

Interesting resign from Anadolu Jet. Sami Alan give resign letter to the management:
http://kokpit.aero/sami-alan-istifa-perde-arkasi

Onur Air sold to 265 million dollars:
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:45 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 46):
But yet more short haul, this time Malta, Krakow, Abha and Al-Qassim (both in KSA): http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in....aspx

Wow wow wow. TK still adding destinations with their NB fleet. But let's not forget that the WB fleet is still limited (12x77W, 8xA343, 10xA333,7xA332, total 37 aircraft). Big players like LH, BH and AF at least have 100 WBs. But after building a strong local / mid-haul network TK will not have problems at all filling that huge planes from the new airport. We will see TK serving 250-300 destinations. Rank list in terms of destination is as follows, according to Wikipedia:
1 United Airlines United States United States 371
2 Delta Air Lines United States United States 356
3 American Airlines United States United States 260
4 Air France-KLM FranceNetherlands France, Netherlands 230
5 Lufthansa Germany Germany 217
6 US Airways United States United States 206
7 Turkish Airlines Turkey Turkey 201
8 British Airways-Iberia United KingdomSpain United Kingdom, Spain 200
9 Qantas Australia Australia 182
10 Air Canada Canada Canada 180
I read somewhere that TK already operates the single hub with most destinations within europe. in 2 years max they will be the airline in europe to offer the most destinations by overtaking LH and AF/KL.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2012

Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:01 am

Quoting ada01 (Reply 45):

Canada is a market TK needs to expand and YVR is a lso going to be a very productive one because of lack of flights from YVR to anywhere beyond FRA in the East in Eastern direction. However the Canadian government will be very difficult to convince to get this one approved. TK could not even get Toronto daily as of yet and the TK codeshare on AC domestic flights is still pending even if it was signed months ago.

The LH AC association is also another stumbling block because AC is not or will not codeshare the Canada IST leg and will continue to codehsrae their service from Turkey via Germany. AC codeshares MUC IST and MUC ESB flights operated by LH.

Last but not least opening of a Turkish Consulate General at Vancouver is intended and wll help the service materialize a great deal. The fact that AC is intending ex YVR international operation to a new AC LCC, will make this flight even more productive. The AC intention reminds me of TK's leaving ESB to Ajet and we all know the initial results.

TK should also try to create a round the world flight that means a service beyond LAX towards West. YVR may well be used for that too. i.e. IST YVR onward to Honolulu or any destination in the Far East where TK serves already to make a round the world operation that will also add prestige to TK with such diverse amount of destinations served by the airline. YVR offers the most number of destinations from any point in North America towards West/Pacific. A triangle flight between IST YVR and SEA may be another interesting option.

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