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Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:05 am

Just read this article that details an intentional airliner crash and explains what happens.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...-tv-show-stages-727-crash/1606749/

Pretty interesting, if a bit scary.

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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:43 am

Very cool. I'll definitely make sure to set my DVR.

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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:44 am

Quoting irelayer (Thread starter):

Don't think it's that scary... Quite the opposite, it's reassuring. Shows that the majority of crashes are survivable, and reinforces what we all know - IE. Wear a seatbelt, brace, and know where the exits are.
 
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:49 am

I had to ask, but does anyone know what the reg of that 727 was? By the pics in the article, it appeared to be an ex-Champion Air bird!
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:52 am

Quoting sciurusmdg (Reply 2):
Don't think it's that scary... Quite the opposite, it's reassuring. Shows that the majority of crashes are survivable, and reinforces what we all know - IE. Wear a seatbelt, brace, and know where the exits are.

I guess I meant it's scary to think about being in this situation...but yes you are right, it's definitely reassuring to know that something like this is survivable.

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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 3):

I had to ask, but does anyone know what the reg of that 727 was?

Here's what I was able to find, the aircraft at time of crash was registered XB-MNP (msn 21348). The aircraft was delivered to Singapore Airlines as 9V-SGB on September 26, 1977. The also flew with VASP (PP-SMK) and Alaska Airlines (N293AS). Later it flew for Express One, AvAtlantic and Sterling One. It served Champion Air (N293AS) and was operated their final revenue flight on May 29, 2008.

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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:20 am

I remember those Champion Air birds coming into HOU. They were always sparking clean!
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:49 am

This story started kicking around in April. This is a Flightglobal article written at the time, which might be interesting to some of you:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...y-crashed-in-desert-for-tv-371267/
 
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 5):
Quoting cbphoto (Reply 3):

I had to ask, but does anyone know what the reg of that 727 was?

Here's what I was able to find, the aircraft at time of crash was registered XB-MNP (msn 21348). The aircraft was delivered to Singapore Airlines as 9V-SGB on September 26, 1977. The also flew with VASP (PP-SMK) and Alaska Airlines (N293AS). Later it flew for Express One, AvAtlantic and Sterling One. It served Champion Air (N293AS) and was operated their final revenue flight on May 29, 2008.

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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:05 pm

I've seen the commericals for this on Discovery. I am definetly going to watch it. I remember this B-727-200ADV Champion Air, N293AS. She was a frequent visitor while I worked at DFW.
 
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:54 pm

I hope the show is better than the USA Today article (pretty hard NOT to beat a USA Today article). They talk about 'powering down the wing engines' then the center one (this was in a video I think). last time I looked, a 727 had no 'wing' engines. There were two or three other gaffs.
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:59 am

Deja vu? I recall some outfit crashing a 707 or maybe it was a 720 many years ago. That poor thing wound up in a fiery twisted mass of molten metal. Why would it take months to "plan" a plane crash? I am no expert, having never crashed one but it seems pretty straight forward to me. Would not take a rocket surgeon or brain scientist to do that. I'll bet that my cat could crash a plane with one eye closed. We all like to see things that are not supposed to happen so I will watch this too.
 
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 11):
Deja vu? I recall some outfit crashing a 707 or maybe it was a 720 many years ago. That poor thing wound up in a fiery twisted mass of molten metal. Why would it take months to "plan" a plane crash? I am no expert, having never crashed one but it seems pretty straight forward to me. Would not take a rocket surgeon or brain scientist to do that. I'll bet that my cat could crash a plane with one eye closed. We all like to see things that are not supposed to happen so I will watch this too

Seriously? I have no doubt that if you removed the pilots and locked your cat in the cockpit of 727 while in flight, a crash would be inevitable... but that misses the point.

Of course it would take months to set this up, buying the plane, arranging the chase plane, cameras, dummies, sensors, remote piloting, getting approvals and television contracts lined up (not to mention insurance!!), pilots, experts, etc, and then remotely flying the 727 into the ground at a pre-detemrined slope. Hardly easy.

As for the 720, that was an FAA test of a fuel additive that was supposed to prevent the fuel from igniting (in 1984 - see the "operatrional history" section of the wiki page for the 720)... Didn't exactly work out as planned

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_720

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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 11):
Deja vu? I recall some outfit crashing a 707 or maybe it was a 720 many years ago. That poor thing wound up in a fiery twisted mass of molten metal.

It was the FAA's 720, crashed by NASA in 1984 in a test of a fuel additive to reduce explosions. It didn't work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=feQxYXHXewY&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Je3yqY3l-ls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70qZXKg_s3M

The 720-027 was built for Braniff but cancelled before delivery and acquired by the FAA in 1961.


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There was another crash test involving an ex-UA DC-7 in 1963.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZY0-XUmMA

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIZd53Gl4E

An ex-TWA L-1649A Starliner was also crash-tested at the same location as the DC-7 in 1964.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJ07V1QcZ4
 
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:18 am

I just watched this on DVR. Thought it was amazing that one of the engines continued to run after the nose of the plane sheared off! However I suppose the rear of the plane was pretty damn intact. >12G up front versus <6G in back.

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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:30 am

The show was OK but had too many elements of a "reality" show. Way too many commercials, rather slow moving and too much sensationalism. I watched it from my DVR and hopped the commercials. If I had watched this show in real time I would have been pissed! I think the actual show was 90 minutes with 30 minutes of commercials.
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RE: Anatomy Of An Airliner Crash

Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:57 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 14):
However I suppose the rear of the plane was pretty damn intact. >12G up front versus

I was left wondering how different the crash results might have been if they had used an aircraft with a more modern layout, specifically one with it's engines under the wings and without a T-tail. I suspect the strong rearward weight bias of the unladen 727 along with it's more robust aft structure to support all three engines might have made a significant difference versus, say, a 734 or 738.
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