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UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:21 pm

United Airlines will launch seasonal nonstop flights between Chicago and Shannon on 6th June 2013. The 5-weekly flights will be operated by Boeing 757-200 equipment. The route will compliment the existing EWR-SNN service which operates daily year-round, also with 752 equipment. The schedule looks like this:

UA66 departs ORD at 18:10, arrives SNN 07:25+1
UA67 departs SNN at 11:00, arrives ORD 13:05
Operating (from ORD) Sunday, Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday

These flight numbers will replace the extra EWR-SNN flights that were put on during peak summer weeks the last number of years.

Here is the official press release from Shannon Airport: http://www.shannonairport.com/gns/ab...announce_new_route_to_Chicago.aspx

The ORD-SNN route was first operated in 1958 by Aer Lingus routing Shannon-Montreal-Chicago and EI continued to operate it on and off until 2009.

So next summer there will be up to four daily flights between Ireland and Chicago with EI (11 weekly DUB-ORD), AA (daily ORD-DUB) and UA (5 weekly ORD-SNN).

[Edited 2012-10-03 06:23:51]
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:26 pm

I'm guessing the pairing for crews will go something like EWR - SNN - ORD - SNN - EWR.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:24 pm

This is great news   About time UA launches a new TATL route from ORD instead of giving all the lovin' to EWR/IAD/SFO etc..
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:33 pm

I have to wonder if other 757 range UK/IRL cities will be announced in the same press release. I'm somewhat surprised that they are starting SNN as opposed to DUB, GLA, MAN or EDI. Who knows, maybe they will announce all five!
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting Jetskipper (Reply 3):
I have to wonder if other 757 range UK/IRL cities will be announced in the same press release. I'm somewhat surprised that they are starting SNN as opposed to DUB, GLA, MAN or EDI. Who knows, maybe they will announce all five!

I think SNN has been lobbying UA for a while about a ORD service. It's been a significant "gap" in the longhaul network from the airport since EI ceased operating it in 2009 and it seemed like good sense to transfer the second daily EWR flight to ORD, especially when UA have better fitting aircraft (A330 vs 757) and there is already plenty of capacity on SNN-NYC.

I don't think UA would chance DUB-ORD as it will have up to three daily flights in peak season from EI and AA. I think GLA/EDI/BHX have a nice chance of ORD flights on the 757 though.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:03 pm

Good news for SNN, a pity it's only for 3½ months. But i guess it fits in with the short tourist season.
Hopefully if successful it might be extended in future years.

[Edited 2012-10-03 09:10:08]
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 1):
I'm guessing the pairing for crews will go something like EWR - SNN - ORD - SNN - EWR.

Doesn't sCO now have a small FA base in ORD? If so, wouldn't they fly the route ORD-SNN-ORD?
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 6):
Doesn't sCO now have a small FA base in ORD? If so, wouldn't they fly the route ORD-SNN-ORD?

Yes, but ORD is only a domestic FA base, unlike Newark where they have FA bases subdivided into international, domestic & speaker. So ORD - SNN will be part of the EWR - SNN pairing.
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:35 pm

Very cool! A "rare" destination to see added even by adventurous airlines. Good to see a little diversity in the TATL network, and another option for *A travelers to/from Ireland.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:05 pm

Also worth noting that UA67 will arrive into Terminal 1 at ORD as it will be pre-cleared by US Customs and Border Protection at SNN before departure.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:17 pm

are we likely to see some more European ORD routes ?
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:42 pm

Why ORD-SNN and not ORD-DUB? I feel UA is much stronger at DUB than AA these days.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 11):
I feel UA is much stronger at DUB than AA these days.



That is probably in the works, and can (will) be expedited should AA drop the route.
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:21 pm

This is an appropriate us of a 757. Newark to LHR is NOT a good 757 route.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 5):
Good news for SNN, a pity it's only for 3½ months. But i guess it fits in with the short tourist season.
Hopefully if successful it might be extended in future years.

It should work if people think - SNN is a user friendly airport, only 2 hrs drive from the outskirts of Dublin, close to Cork, Galway, the Midlands and Kerry. Parking is available close to the terminal - the staff are friendly and try to help (big difference from the "snarlers" at DUB) - both in the airport and the taxi ranks and the transit time is way lower from door to plane and vv..
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting Jetskipper (Reply 3):
I have to wonder if other 757 range UK/IRL cities will be announced in the same press release. I'm somewhat surprised that they are starting SNN as opposed to DUB, GLA, MAN or EDI. Who knows, maybe they will announce all five!

What seems to be hapenning is that UA are moving frequencies from airports with more than one daily flight to EWR to other airports. This year they cut back MAN/DUB-EWR to once daily and added MAN/DUB-IAD as a replacement. Next year they are doing a similar thing at SNN, but with ORD as the replacement

I wouldn't be surprised if they move EDI's second daily frequency from EWR to ORD or IAD. However as BHX and GLA only have one daily to EWR in Summer, it would be surprising to see them get a IAD or ORD route in the short term
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:58 pm

Also some smaller ad's according to United's facebook page: Washington/Dulles to Fayatteville, NC and O'Hare to Mobile, AL.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:16 pm

In addition to the SNN announcement UA will be starting a 3rd daily IAH-LHR flight with the reconfigured 763.
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Houston-London
The additional Houston-London flight will depart Houston daily at 8:30 p.m., arriving at London Heathrow at 12:05 p.m. the following day. The return flight will depart London Heathrow daily at 1:05 p.m., arriving in Houston at 5:45 p.m. the same day. United will operate the service between Houston and London using Boeing 767-300 aircraft, with flat-bed seats, premium menu options and Economy Plus seats with additional legroom. Tickets for the additional Houston-London service will be available for sale on Oct. 6.

With the new flight, United will offer more nonstop flights between Houston and London than any other carrier."
No mention as to if this is seasonal or not. The other thread was erased by the mods...  
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:28 pm

Essentially just moving the existing summer bump in volume route from EWR to ORD vs. IAD where MAN, etc. went. No real volume pickup. Hard to believe the world's largest airline can't fill the extra 169x2 seats to make it weekly.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):
Washington/Dulles to Fayatteville, NC

Interesting addition given that US fly FAY-DCA. I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that a lot of the traffic on the route was associated with Fort Bragg, which would probably prefer to be dropped on the steps of the Pentagon than go to Dulles.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
reconfigured 763.

Are these frames crewed by sUA?
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 5):
Good news for SNN, a pity it's only for 3½ months. But i guess it fits in with the short tourist season.
Hopefully if successful it might be extended in future years.

Probably not possible with a 752 in the winter. The summer months won't have a strong headwind on the return flight like it will in the winter. At ~3600mi, you're stretching a 752, but not that much for a summer flight. IAD-CDG is a similar stage length and it had problems operating in the winter.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
Are these frames crewed by sUA?

Yes the 763s are crewed by sUA crews. I believe the new IAH - LHR flight will be flown out of the LHR base.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:23 am

Quoting boilerla (Reply 20):

ORD-SNN will struggle in the winter for certain.

I think it's wise for UA to fly ORD-DUB year round on a reg. basis with a 763. I think they would crush AA out of the market.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:09 am

Did UA buy or lease another LHR slot or which city is losing a trip?
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:44 am

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 23):
Did UA buy or lease another LHR slot or which city is losing a trip?

Good question.

Perhaps EWR loses a frequency but upgauges to all new refurb 2 cabin 763's?
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:14 am

Quoting boilerla (Reply 20):
Probably not possible with a 752 in the winter
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 22):
ORD-SNN will struggle in the winter for certain.

Yup...after the IAD fiasco think they figured it out...summer only for now.   

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 21):
Yes the 763s are crewed by sUA crews

There are no intl UA pilot bases currently and no UA 763 drivers in IAH as of now. With the upcoming contracts I am sure one of those will change...wannna guess?   

Interesting thought...all the US carriers dragging 75's to Europe...can't think of any that added an extra tank....6,000 pounds more would have worked quite well. In the case of UA would have stopped the "what is the first thing a UA customer sees after leaving Europe on a 757.....Welcome to Canada!"   
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:24 am

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 25):
no UA 763 drivers in IAH as of now

I thought sUA had 75/76 base at IAH?
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:25 am

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 23):
Did UA buy or lease another LHR slot or which city is losing a trip?

UA is not utilizing all of their LHR slots, some are leased to other carriers such as VS. Not saying that's where the slot is coming from, but it's a possibility.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 25):
There are no intl UA pilot bases currently and no UA 763 drivers in IAH as of now. With the upcoming contracts I am sure one of those will change...wannna guess?   

I was more referring about the FAs, and less about the pilots.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 28):
I was more referring about the FAs

As said up thread, they'll be crewed out of LHR
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 29):
As said up thread, they'll be crewed out of LHR

Correct LHR based FAs will work this new flight.
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 23):
Did UA buy or lease another LHR slot or which city is losing a trip?
Quoting STT757 (Reply 27):
UA is not utilizing all of their LHR slots, some are leased to other carriers such as VS. Not saying that's where the slot is coming from, but it's a possibility.

i would really liked to know that way in which this new slop came around. Lose a flight elsewhere or use a leased slop. I hope its the latter and expansion.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 31):
i would really liked to know that way in which this new slop came around. Lose a flight elsewhere or use a leased slop. I hope its the latter and expansion.

There has not been any announced reduction so we must assume that UA is getting a slot returned from lease that they will use for this flight.
Remember that any slot that is 'owned' by the group of carriers in the *A JV can be shared. If they (LH, AC, SK, UA, etc) feel that a slot can be better used by another carrier on another route they can (and will) 'lease' the slots within the JV.
UA has been leasing slots to AC for quite some time (even before the JV). The LH group has many slots that can be moved around to help the JV (and *A) in this respect.
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 25):
Yup...after the IAD fiasco think they figured it out...summer only for now.

SNN is also a highly seasonal market. The demand is tiny for the rest of the year. I don't think they'd fly it more than seasonally from ORD even if the 752 was capable. Otherwise: Non. Rev. Bus.  
 
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RE: UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 22):
ORD-SNN will struggle in the winter for certain.

Which is why the article states :
"The new flights to Chicago will operate five times a week on Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday and commence on 06th June and operate until 28th August departing Shannon at 11.00am."

It's not even running for three months, it's a niche leisure route that may well do OK in a seasonal market that is currently underserved.

OK, whar's the 's' in "sUA" stand for?

[Edited 2012-10-06 17:46:01]
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:52 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 34):
whar's the 's' in "sUA" stand for?

"subsidiary". It's what United Continental Holdings refer to the two sides as: sUA and sCO.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):

Why is the UA from EWR to LHR on a 757 bad? I have done that flight about 5 times and enjoyed it very much - in BF?
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting VC10er (Reply 36):
Why is the UA from EWR to LHR on a 757 bad?

I'm warning you, you've just opened a can of worms  

To surmise jfk777's position (and those of other poster who hold the same attitude) it is somehow unbecoming for UA to use a narrow body on NYC-LHR when everyone else flies wide bodies. As you note, there is no readily apparent problem with the choice of equipment. Indeed the interiors are basically identical to the sCO 777s in both Y and J. There is however a (minority) group on here who seem to think that it is inappropriate to use a 757 when your competitors don't. The fact that this doesn't seem to concern UA in the slightest is apparently lost on them...
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