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What Is The Deal With This 777?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:22 pm

The title pretty much says it all. Was it a static test platform? What was the 777 they used to test the wingbox and wingload? It's sad to see my favorite plane in this shape.  Sad
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Also, the caption says "777-3..." However, there is no exit door over the wings, so is this a 772? Or just a weird 773?
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:27 pm

Yes, that is one of the static test frames and it was a 777-200.

There is a collection of them in the northwest corner of PAE (Building 40-40), just to the right of the 787 static test structure.

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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

There is a collection of them in the northwest corner of PAE (Building 40-40), just to the right of the 787 static test structure.

Why don't they scrap them? they can't be of any further use.
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

Why don't they scrap them? they can't be of any further use.

The only thing I can think of is if they needed to make major modifications to the frame later and needed to do some more static testing, or otherwise development on a frame that doesn't need to be made flyable. But I can't say I'm knowledgeable on the subject. At all.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:53 pm

Are there any 777-3 test frames or anyone scrapped or written off?
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
lso, the caption says "777-3..." However, there is no exit door over the wings, so is this a 772? Or just a weird 773?

It's definitely a 777-200, not a -300. Counted the windows between the 2nd and 3rd doors.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:01 am

What is the story with the rest of the stuff in the back? Same thing?
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:27 am

Thank you for asking! I am sure everyone looked at that photo and said, "HUH!?"
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
What is the story with the rest of the stuff in the back? Same thing?

Mostly. It's all leftovers from various uses in the past...lots of static and fatigue test articles, I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:09 am

I'd say the motto here is, "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:46 am

Tom,

What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:53 am

Quoting United727 (Reply 10):
Tom,

What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?

Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:59 am

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 11):

Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

looks like it's this one:


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Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:55 am

Am I the only one who hopes these static test frames will eventually make it across the road to the museum of flight? I'd find looking at these naked, worn out frames fascinating.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:02 am

INice find, I haven't seen that one before.

In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:39 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Yes, that is one of the static test frames and it was a 777-200.

Take it the photographer had the facts wrong as it's been quoted to be a B773...

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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:00 am

For those whom have or have not seen the IMAX film "Legends of Flight", it shows it's primary character/actor, Mike Carriker of Boeing, playing around those a/c with his dog. At one point they are in a 747 static, as well. Kind of neat to see it, especially in 3D, although the 2D DVD's lose a little something, it is still quite nice and a treat to see it.

Or...maybe I'm just biased having an uncle who worked with Carriker at Boeing.

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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 11):
Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

IIRC it is an old 747 they bought from JAL to see if the condition of real world 747s were matching what was expected based on the static test frame.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:59 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):

Mostly. It's all leftovers from various uses in the past...lots of static and fatigue test articles, I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

Tom.

Very interesting--thanks.
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
INice find, I haven't seen that one before.

In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:05 pm

For those of you who've taken the Boeing factory tour, you've seen the crossection of the 747 showing all 3 decks (upper, middle, lower cargo). That sample was taken from that JAL 747 from what I've heard. If you look at the JAL 747 carcass, you can see where the slice was taken out.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:06 pm

 
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:17 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
Wonder what the back up plan is?

Great question.

I guess if the overpass collapsed, the alternate route would be head west through the parking lot. Hop on the highway and make your way to the North West Entrance of Paine. You would stage all your frames and make your move at night when you can shut down the freeway.

If such a situation would occur, I wouldn't think you'll need to move more than one frame a day.

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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:19 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):
I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

Had a chance to walk through that yard once. As I recall, some of the mock-ups are for wire routing. Before the use of CAD/CAM on the 777, they had to create these mock-up to pre-route wiring to get the lengths correct.

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Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 17):
IIRC it is an old 747 they bought from JAL to see if the condition of real world 747s were matching what was expected based on the static test frame.

Which makes a lot of sense, given it is a sister-ship to JA8119 that broke up in mid-flight (although this was due to a faulty repair)
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting United727 (Reply 10):
What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?

In addition to all of the above, they might have picked that up back when the 747 was having crown cracking issues, but I'm not sure about that.

Quoting garpd (Reply 13):
Am I the only one who hopes these static test frames will eventually make it across the road to the museum of flight?

That would be the Future Of Flight. Museum Of Flight is about 50 miles away at Boeing Field. Unfortunately, as currently setup, Future Of Flight has a lot less outdoor space. However, if they ever clear out Kilo North (aka "the 787 holding pen") maybe they could use that.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

Put in a new bridge. Seriously, I can't imagine anything mobilizing the local civil engineers more quickly except maybe an earthquake. With some welders, some big steel, and an open chequebook, that could be replaced with a temporary bridge pretty quickly.

That said, I bet that is one *very* well cared for bridge.

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Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:45 pm

The Future of Flight Museum used to have a test frame next to it - I think it was a 767.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):
You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

One more question about this: which taxi way is followed by the test aircrafts from the 40.2x assembly lines to the test area? Between all the buildings, the fences, the rail tracks, I've never figured out a practical way to bring an airplane there.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 9):
I'd say the motto here is, "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"

Although off topic, your statement sounds so very familiar to a flight attendant I had on a DEN-ORD A320 flight a month ago while commuting back to work. He made sure EVERYONE paid attention to the safety briefing. Also had a very sarcastically funny sense of humor.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With This 777?

Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:04 am

Quoting tomcat (Reply 27):
One more question about this: which taxi way is followed by the test aircrafts from the 40.2x assembly lines to the test area? Between all the buildings, the fences, the rail tracks, I've never figured out a practical way to bring an airplane there.

I think the only way it can be done is to come out the south side of the 40.2x buildings (final assembly), go west around 40-51, then along the west edge of the property. This would require clearing the parking lot, covering the train tracks, and moving a lot of stuff. However, given how rarely it happens, I can't see that's such a big deal.

Tom.