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Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:26 am

Looking through photos of Air France for 2012 I have noticed they have more types than other around the globe,especially wide body jets. For narrow body they have Airbus A318,A319,A320,A321,some regional jets and for wide body jets they have Airbus A380,A340,A330 and Boeing 747-428,Boeing 777-228ER and 328ER,didn't see any Boeing 767-328ERs,Did Air France retire their 767s. It amazes me that they operate every wide body jet around today except for the IL-96.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:40 am

And to think they have 787s and A350s coming.   
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:45 am

DL has a lot, might not have them all

D95, M88, M90, 717, 73G, 738, 739 (on their way,) 744, 752, 753, 763, 764, 772, 77L, 319, 320, 332, 333.

Then throw in some owned regional jets... quite a list, more than AF. But this is due to their merger with NW
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
they have Airbus A318,A319,A320,A321

They're all part of the same family and should be considered as one aircraft type. Crews fly them interchangeably. It's useful to be able to allocate aircraft to routes according to demand.

A330 and A340 are also basically the same aircraft except for the number of engines. And the 777-200ER and -300ER also permit capacity to match demand on various routes, as for the A320 family.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
some regional jets

The regional jets are operated by separate regional carriers with their own operating certificates, not by AF itself.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:04 am

Air France has a very homogeneous fleet. The criteria is not how many seats an airplane has but commonality in maintenance and cockpit crewing. So you basically have:

- ALL shorthaul flying on A32S
- 50% of longhaul flying on B777s
- 40% of longhaul flying on A330/A340/A380
- 10% on some leftover B747s

So it's one type for shorthaul, and 3 types for longhaul, where two fleets (the Airbus and the B777 fleets) are sufficiently large for economies of scale. Only the B747 fleet is a "problem". I find that a very homogeneous fleet. Other fleets are far less balanced.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:07 am

As far as I know the 747s will leave the fleet soon. Having a fleet of A330/A340, 777s and A380s does not seem too many types for an airline such as Air France.
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:11 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
And to think they have 787s and A350s coming.   

Replacing the A340s, 772s and probably the A330s.

I dont think the fleet has too many types. The 744s are on the way out.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:28 am

Will they only go for 77F and no 748F?
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting na (Reply 6):
I dont think the fleet has too many types. The 744s are on the way out.

Not before 2017 though

Quoting columba (Reply 5):
As far as I know the 747s will leave the fleet soon. Having a fleet of A330/A340, 777s and A380s does not seem too many types for an airline such as Air France.

They will have 787s and A350s at this time.
In a few years, AF fleet will consist of: A32S, 787s, 77W, A350s, A380s.
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:44 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 7):

Will they only go for 77F and no 748F?

They have rather young 744ERFs. The 777F only plays a minor role. I expect 748Fs in the longer term. Isnt Martinair doing all the AF/KLM freight now?
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:52 am

No.

AF will be left with 2 ERF's en 2 T7F's AFAIK. KL/MP will downsize to 4 ERF's and 6 MD11F's.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
For narrow body they have Airbus A318,A319,A320,A321

Same aircraft family. Compared to AF, LH and BA still operates B737s beside their A320 family fleet ...

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
didn't see any Boeing 767-328ERs,Did Air France retire their 767s.

AF retired their 5 B767-300 from service back in 2002

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
A380,A340,A330 and Boeing 747-428

Long Haul AF fleet :

A380
B747
B777
A330/A340

BA :

B777
B747
B767

LH :

A380
B747-8
B744
A330/A340
A346
+ MD11 for Cargo ...

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
some regional jets

The entire Regional jet fleet is operated by AF subsidiaries, not by AF itself.

Indeed. And many airlines operate much more different aircraft types than AF ...

Quoting mozart (Reply 4):
Air France has a very homogeneous fleet.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
BA :

Don't forget the small but perfectly formed A318  
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:40 pm

I always thought of BA has having one of the most diverse fleets (maybe not currently, but in terms of A/C they have operated over the years). Pretty interesting to note how many types some of the larger airlines have though.
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 5):
As far as I know the 747s will leave the fleet soon. Having a fleet of A330/A340, 777s and A380s does not seem too many types for an airline such as Air France.

Well, the 747s have been supposed to leave for several years now. Yes they have become the oddball of AF fleet, why they are still around is a bit of a mystery to me, considering that AF -supposedly- have over-capacity and are trying to save costs wherever they can.

Quoting na (Reply 6):

I dont think the fleet has too many types. The 744s are on the way out.

Well, someday, they will leave, that is much certain. Who knows, they might outlast NW DC9s in longevity, however...

Quoting LY777 (Reply 8):
In a few years, AF fleet will consist of: A32S, 787s, 77W, A350s, A380s.

Well, maybe a short decade but you're right.
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 14):
why they are still around is a bit of a mystery to me

Air France fully owns the 7 B744 that will be kept in service.
Operating them is much less costly than buying/renting brand new B77W.
Those B744 are now fully refurbished, they are not that old (in age and in number cycles) so keeping them in such a troubled period makes sense ...
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
A330 and A340 are also basically the same aircraft except for the number of engines.

Is that the only difference? I thought the wing and gear were strengthened.
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:11 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 16):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
A330 and A340 are also basically the same aircraft except for the number of engines.

Is that the only difference? I thought the wing and gear were strengthened.

Yes there are other differences of that nature. I was referring to the basic design and how the same crews can operate both interchangeably.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:25 am

I think it's great (from an enthusiast's point of view) that AF has so many different types of aircraft.

For me, WN is the absolute pits when it comes to plane spotting.
 
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:16 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
they have more types than other around the globe,especially wide body jets.

The very best ones are no longer flying...

Air France had Concorde. An aircraft of exception.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-F...atiale-BAC-Concorde-101/0879479/L/

They were first to ground it.... without fanfare.
Now they are just another ordinary airline.

 

Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre... c'est impossible sans Concorde.

  
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RE: Air France's Fleet Today-so Many Types

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting na (Reply 9):
I expect 748Fs in the longer term. Isnt Martinair doing all the AF/KLM freight now?

Air France Cargo is not profitable and is a fraction of it's former size. KLM gave away cargo flying to Martinair, the idea was that they would do all group flying. However the French unions are preventing this in the short term.

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