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United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:18 am

Looks like UA's capacity reductions at IAH are about to reverse gears slightly with an announcement today of a new service (bringing it to X3 daily) to LHR. What's driving the increase in capacity? Anyone know if this going to be launched on new 788 or an existing 763 / 772?

Also, looks like ORD will be getting a daily (summer only) rotation to SNN. Loving this new service next summer as the Irish west coast is my preferred destination when visiting (by-passing a connection in Dublin or renting a car for the 3 hr drive backtracking across the country).

http://www.chron.com/business/articl...l-add-flight-to-London-3913833.php
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:21 am

Already being discussed in this thread:

UA To Launch ORD-SNN For Summer 2013 (by AmricanShamrok Oct 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:26 am

Got the answers to my questions....good stuff though.... It seems that UA will start with a 788 and then switch to 763 March 30th. Yes, UA will be able to claim the most flights, but in reality BA is highly competitive concerning the number of seats on the same route with either X2 772's or X2 744's depending on the time of year.

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Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:27 am

Actually it's a 3rd daily flight. The new flight will be operated by sUA crews, while the 2 others flights will be operated by sCO crews. The 787 is just a temp thing, then after about 6 or 8 weeks reverts back to a 777.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:24 am

Looking at the flight times I'd assume it is staffed by sUA LHR base. IAH has picked up quite a bit of 763 flying.
IAH-SFO
IAH-DEN
IAH-LIM
IAH-EZE
IAH-GRU
IAH-ORD
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IAH-EWR
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:47 am

Why didn't CDG get the extra flight (or have it returned)? With over 80 French geophysical companies in Houston, the French presence at very educated and professional levels here is high. At one time, before Emirates, Qatar, AF/UA had a total of 4 flights to CDG daily, now down to 6 a week, all on AF.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:48 am

Where do they have the slots to operate this third flight?
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:55 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 4):
Looking at the flight times I'd assume it is staffed by sUA LHR base. IAH has picked up quite a bit of 763 flying.
IAH-SFO
IAH-DEN
IAH-LIM
IAH-EZE
IAH-GRU
IAH-ORD
IAH-LHR
IAH-EWR

I'm hearing it will be operated by the sUA LHR base.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:35 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 7):
I'm hearing it will be operated by the sUA LHR base.

In the previous thread that was deleted, we talked about the time mentioning that it may be a late departure out of IAH. What I was now wondering, whether the flight will be out of T1 or T4 at LHR. The IAH flight utilize T4 along with other sCO flights, or have some of the EWR flights departed from T1?
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:24 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 8):
In the previous thread that was deleted, we talked about the time mentioning that it may be a late departure out of IAH. What I was now wondering, whether the flight will be out of T1 or T4 at LHR. The IAH flight utilize T4 along with other sCO flights, or have some of the EWR flights departed from T1?

More then likely it will also depart from T4. The departure out of IAH is 8:25p I believe.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am

This is great news for LHR but where is the slot coming from?
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:40 am

When will the flight be loaded into the system?
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 11):
When will the flight be loaded into the system?

Flight will be loaded on Saturday 10/6.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:46 am

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 5):

Why didn't CDG get the extra flight (or have it returned)?

Because it never really made money. Perhaps IAH-CDG is a market that can only support one carrier.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 13):
Because it never really made money. Perhaps IAH-CDG is a market that can only support one carrier.

A carrier with arguably better feed beyond CDG and arguably better product. AF uses a 77W/772 on the route. I think for UA it was a better move to flow CDG traffic over the other hubs - I'm not so sure that SFO-CDG will perform any better though.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:07 pm

This is good news, I think UA is beginning to add flights out of IAH, step by step.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 13):

Because it never really made money. Perhaps IAH-CDG is a market that can only support one carrier.

It definitely made money for CO and for this reason, the route operated for nearly 20 years. It fell on hard times with the merger as most of the flow traffic could be routed over ORD or IAD and the 762 business class product was completely uncompetitive with AF. IAH-CDG is still a big local market with a very significant premium component.

I still do not understand the move to SFO-CDG as this flight will have zero flow traffic and will have to rely on a local market where the premium market size is roughly the same as IAH-CDG. AF could just put an A380 on the route and that would be all she wrote for UA.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 16):
It definitely made money for CO and for this reason,

According to the sources I had within CO about 4 years ago, IAH-CDG has always been the weakest link in Houston's CO/UA international route network. I was told several times by a very reliable source that IAH-LHR and IAH-AMS brought in buckets of cash, but most years IAH-CDG lost money. He kept using the phrase "a work in progress" year after year.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 16):
I still do not understand the move to SFO-CDG

Im with you there. SFO-CDG was a dud when UA flew it years ago. Dont think it will be any different today.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 14):
A carrier with arguably better feed beyond CDG and arguably better product. AF uses a 77W/772 on the route

With UA exiting the market, a 77W should be a good fit. The 77W will add about 35% of the capacity lost back into the market. IAH-CDG is a market where perhaps one 777 isnt enough but a 777 and a 767 is too much. A 77W would be a great happy medium.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Im with you there. SFO-CDG was a dud when UA flew it years ago. Dont think it will be any different today.

I am not sure that people understand that the Bay Area is in the midst of another tech boom, which was not the case in 2005. Salesforce is hiring thousands each of the last couple of years, as are Twitter, Facebook, Google, just to name a few. Maybe UA is thinking they can get in on the action, even if their product is not the best, since a lot of these tech people are SFO O&D, and may have already been flying UA domestically for business.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
According to the sources I had within CO about 4 years ago, IAH-CDG has always been the weakest link in Houston's CO/UA international route network. I was told several times by a very reliable source that IAH-LHR and IAH-AMS brought in buckets of cash, but most years IAH-CDG lost money. He kept using the phrase "a work in progress" year after year.

IAH-CDG performance relative to IAH-LHR/AMS I can believe. However, IAH-CDG during Skyteam times did very well.

Back to topic, I'm not a fan of this move to increase IAH-LHR to 3 daily. When CO operated the split LHR/LGW 3x daily operation, the schedule was constantly in flux and this frequency never seemed optimal. The late flight to LHR was never full and always had limitless reward SaverPass availability. Color me skeptical with this increase, especially with all the doom and gloom preached by UA that IAH is going to be reduced over time. The new frequency will require improved feed.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:13 pm

Those slots for UA 3rd daily IAH-LHR-IAH, where do they come from?
Grant that IAH-LGW/STN instead of a 3rd IAH-LHR may not make sense (even if cheaper to operate than to LHR), but UA flying B757 EWR/CLE-LGW/STN one day might.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 19):

The doom and gloom is history, UA is now moved on.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:56 pm

Can you say, LHR-IAH-AKL?  
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 22):
Can you say, LHR-IAH-AKL?

You could if IAH-AKL wasn't whacked because WN wants to go to CUN from HOU.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting DualQual (Reply 23):

Tourism is in decline in NZ.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 24):
Tourism is in decline in NZ.

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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 5):

Simple economics...The U.S. has historically had closer ties to the UK than to France and that's where many customers want to travel. Look at the amount of seats to the UK (esp. LHR) vs. other countries.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):

I doubt you'll see UA willing to split their LON ops over several airports when LHR is the preferred airport..especially for business travelers.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 19):

CO, during its skyteam days, didn't have the market penetration that UA has had since it took over Pan Am's routes in 1991. It's a different company now. What didn't work for old UA or old CO could very well work with the new UA, given the improved feed they now have from different parts of the US.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):

Anyone who doesn't understand the makeup of SFO will never understand how it works. SFO has the largest percentage of premium (global service/1K )customers than any other hub in the entire network. Now they can offer a new 2 class product vs. a 3 class product that previously didn't work. The company plans to make SFO the west coast version of EWR in the East.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:25 am

First major changes to UA's S13 Europe operation is out this weekend (05/06OCT12).

Majority of the changes below are in effect from 30MAR13 from US, 31MAR13 from Europe.

Chicago – Munich Continental 767-400ER replaces UNITED 777

Houston – Amsterdam UNITED 2-class 767-300ER replaces Continental 767-400ER

Houston – London Heathrow
*Service increases from 2 to 3 daily (Other FT member posted this...)
*All service switches from Continental 777-200ER to UNITED 2-class 767-300ER (....but this was not mentioned)
UA920 IAH1541 – 0655+1LHR 763 D
UA984 IAH1831 – 0940+1LHR 763 D
UA970 IAH2030 – 1205+1LHR 763 D

UA921 LHR0930 – 1355IAH 763 D
UA985 LHR1140 – 1605IAH 763 D
UA971 LHR1305 – 1745LHR 763 D

Newark – Rome UNITED 2-class 767-300ER replaces Continental 767-400ER

Newark – Zurich Continental 767-400ER continues operation (from W12), replaces UNITED 767-300ER

Washington Dulles – Amsterdam UNITED 3-class 767-300ER continues operation (from W12), replaces Continental 757

Washington Dulles – London Heathrow
eff 31MAR13 Continental 757 (UA004/005) replaces UNITED 767-300ER (UA922/923)
eff 26APR13 Introduction of 4th daily service (UA130/131; UA131 from 27APR13) with Continental 757
UA004 IAD0938 – 2155LHR 752 D
UA918 IAD1805 – 0620+1LHR 777 D
UA130 IAD1850 – 0735+1LHR 752 D
UA924 IAD2200 – 1010+1LHR 777 D

UA005 LHR0755 – 1106IAD 752 D
UA919 LHR1200 – 1515IAD 777 D
UA131 LHR1305 – 1700IAD 752 D
UA925 LHR1620 – 1935IAD 777 D

Washington Dulles – Moscow Domodedovo Service cancelled in Summer 2013

Washington Dulles – Munich Continental 767-400ER replaces UNITED 777 (New UA002/001 route)

Washington Dulles – Rome UNITED 777-200ER replaced by
30MAR13 – 03AUG13 Continental 767-400ER
UA042 IAD1744 – 0830+1FCO 764 D
UA043 FCO1110 – 1455IAD 764 D

eff 04AUG13 UNITED 3-class 767-300ER
UA966 IAD1744 – 0830+1FCO 763 D
UA967 FCO1110 – 1455IAD 763 D

Washington Dulles – Zurich Continental 767-400ER replaces UNITED 767-300ER

Plus the new Chicago - Shannon 5 weekly from 06JUN13 to 26AUG13 and resumption of San Francisco - Paris CDG from 09APR13.

More changes will be filed in the coming weeks
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:37 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 27):

Everything points to mainly a downgrade in a/c size, but alittle more frequency. Where are the 777's being deployed?
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 28):
Everything points to mainly a downgrade in a/c size, but alittle more frequency. Where are the 777's being deployed?

sCO is taking over NRT - SIN, so there's where a couple 777s are going.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:43 am

Wow. Cannot believe that UA is going to 2-class 763s on all flights between IAH and LHR. Just more reason to fly BA.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:27 am

Where are all the 777s going?

LAX-PVG (sUA 3 class) replaced by 787
LAX-NRT (sUA 3 class) replaced by 787
IAH-LOS (sCO 2 class) replaced by 787
IAH-LHR (sCO 2 class) replaced by 763
IAH-LHR (sCO 2 class) replaced by 763
ORD-MUC (sUA 3 class) replaced by 764
IAD-MUC (sUA 3 class) replaced by 764
IAD-FCO (sUA 3 class) replaced by 764

That's 8 777s, even if you account for adding HND and some changes to NRT like the sCO 777 to SIN there's still significant slack in the 777 fleet that is yet accounted for. New flying?
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:18 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 27):
UA920 IAH1541 – 0655+1LHR 763 DUA984 IAH1831 – 0940+1LHR 763 DUA970 IAH2030 – 1205+1LHR 763 DUA921 LHR0930 – 1355IAH 763 DUA985 LHR1140 – 1605IAH 763 DUA971 LHR1305 – 1745LHR 763 D

What happened to the "Texas" sized 777 with Business First for Houston to LHR use. UA is using 20 year old 767's in Houston ? That is going to go over BADLY.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 27):
UA004 IAD0938 – 2155LHR 752 DUA918 IAD1805 – 0620+1LHR 777 DUA130 IAD1850 – 0735+1LHR 752 DUA924 IAD2200 – 1010+1LHR 777 DUA005 LHR0755 – 1106IAD 752 DUA919 LHR1200 – 1515IAD 777 DUA131 LHR1305 – 1700IAD 752 DUA925 LHR1620 – 1935IAD 777

2 of 4 Washington to LHR flights by 757, what is United thinking ? What airline operates Capitol to Capitol service with an airplane meant for Phoenix to Honolulu service. 757 to LHR is a no-NO.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:22 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 19):
However, IAH-CDG during Skyteam times did very well.

Right on.

Quoting DualQual (Reply 23):
You could if IAH-AKL wasn't whacked because WN wants to go to CUN from HOU.

Hilarious.

Again, where did the slot come from?
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):
What happened to the "Texas" sized 777 with Business First for Houston to LHR use. UA is using 20 year old 767's in Houston ? That is going to go over BADLY.

They are are being moved to other flights, and the sUA 763s taking over IAH - LHR are not 20 years old they are between 11 & 14 years old.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):
2 of 4 Washington to LHR flights by 757, what is United thinking ? What airline operates Capitol to Capitol service with an airplane meant for Phoenix to Honolulu service. 757 to LHR is a no-NO.

757 to LHR is a No No according to who?

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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:37 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 34):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):What happened to the "Texas" sized 777 with Business First for Houston to LHR use. UA is using 20 year old 767's in Houston ? That is going to go over BADLY.

They are are being moved to other flights, and the sUA 763s taking over IAH - LHR are not 20 years old they are between 11 & 14 years old.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):2 of 4 Washington to LHR flights by 757, what is United thinking ? What airline operates Capitol to Capitol service with an airplane meant for Phoenix to Honolulu service. 757 to LHR is a no-NO.

757 to LHR is a No No according to who?

DO BA, Virgin, Cathay, JAL, Qantas, Singapore Airlines, ANA, TAM, Emirates, Ethihad, Qatar or Air Canada fly 757 to LHR ? No way in hell they do. IF those world airlines don't United who tries to be a " world class airline" should follow their example.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):
What happened to the "Texas" sized 777 with Business First for Houston to LHR use. UA is using 20 year old 767's in Houston ? That is going to go over BADLY



These are the newly reconfigured two class 767-300s that have the new lie flat business first seats, huge avod screens throughout and 777 style interiors. They have the same interiors as the 764. The oldest is from 1998, the newest are from 2001. This is a great product. I just flew HNL-EWR in a simarly reconfigured 764,10 hrs in economy, the AVOD system made the flight "fly". I see this as an upgrade as they are going to 3x daily vs 2 daily, again it's about more choices.

http://upgrd.com/regionalfirst/a-goo...onfiguration-in-businessfirst.html

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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:59 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 27):
Washington Dulles – Moscow Domodedovo Service cancelled in Summer 2013

This is route, and EZE, were the two routes I was expecting to be moved to EWR after the merger.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:07 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 35):
DO BA, Virgin, Cathay, JAL, Qantas, Singapore Airlines, ANA, TAM, Emirates, Ethihad, Qatar or Air Canada fly 757 to LHR ?

None of them have 757s in their fleet. AC flies A319s into LHR. Your point?
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 28):
Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 27):

Everything points to mainly a downgrade in a/c size, but alittle more frequency. Where are the 777's being deployed?

Three current sUA 777A aircraft with the old international configuration are going to be converted to Hawaiian configuration, freeing up several 764 units. There should be more announcements to come with the slack seen in the 772 fleet - could this mean 772 mods will not be completed by summer?

The beauty of the merger is the right sizing of equipment and UA now has several sizes of international aircraft that are all moving toward modern interiors. While some don't like reassignment of aircraft, United is in the business of making money. So, the conversion of the Hawaiian 763ER fleet is allowing for new and/or increase international services and the well-suited 753 can take over much of the Hawaiian flying. Slight reduction in available seats can only increase yields and ensure good load factors.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:24 pm

How many 787s are UA taking delivery of in 2013?
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 39):
Three current sUA 777A aircraft with the old international configuration are going to be converted to Hawaiian configuration, freeing up several 764 units



The schedules are still showing Pacific configured 764s operating SFO, EWR, IAD-SFO for April. Lets say that the conversion of the three 777s to Pacific configuration does go ahead, that and the possible launch of SFO-HND and sCO 777s operating from NRT to SIN still does not account for all of the displaced 777s in the updated schedules. I estimate 3-4 still unaccounted for.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:28 pm

Some people are complaining that these changes are not good for IAH, they say IAH is being screwed.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 40):
How many 787s are UA taking delivery of in 2013?

They should be rounding out their first 11 by the end of 2013. (sCO initial order) From a previous thread, I didn't think sUA's 788 order starts until 2014.
 
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 43):
They should be rounding out their first 11 by the end of 2013. (sCO initial order) From a previous thread, I didn't think sUA's 788 order starts until 2014.

So an additional 6 787-8s and the previously mentioned 777s is building towards something.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 43):

They should be rounding out their first 11 by the end of 2013. (sCO initial order) From a previous thread, I didn't think sUA's 788 order starts until 2014.

sUAs start coming online in 2016, the 789s should start coming onboard in 2014...assuming they are ready by then.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 43):
They should be rounding out their first 11 by the end of 2013. (sCO initial order) From a previous thread, I didn't think sUA's 788 order starts until 2014.

2012 5 788's
2013 6 788's
2014 First 789
All CO units.

There is a mix of things going on at UA now. Add 11 788's, take away 10 762's. So +1.

On the 767 front, add 14 pmUA 763's into 2 cabin configuration. Assume a few of these will take TATL 752 flights and it looks like a few 777's from IAH>LHR, but there still are a few more for expansion in 2013.

However, looking at UA's guidance of low single digit international growth, figure the standard 2-3 new routes (net of cancellations) and we already have DEN>NRT announced. (ORD SNN is just transferring summer EWR frequency like IAD MAN was in 2011).
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 46):
Add 11 788's, take away 10 762's. So 1.

The 10 762s are really being replaced by 14 767-300s that were previously in domestic configuration. Those 763s are being replaced by 753s that previously operated in the Lower 48 for CO. Those 757-300s are being replaced by new 737-900ER deliveries.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 46):
However, looking at UA's guidance of low single digit international growth, figure the standard 2-3 new routes (net of cancellations) and we already have DEN>NRT announced. (ORD SNN is just transferring summer EWR frequency like IAD MAN was in 2011).

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Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 46):
There is a mix of things going on at UA now. Add 11 788's, take away 10 762's. So +1.

5 of the 762s are already gone. 5 more to go, and are replaced by either the 788 or 763ER depending on how you count it. But, only 5 more widebodies are leaving the fleet after the first 788 goes into sked service.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:57 pm

But why is LHR going entirely 763? A lot of people on the forum on Houston Spotters are not happy with this and are saying that IAH is not recieving any benefit from the merger. I know that these changes are cross fleeting. And they say UNITED is screwing Houston long term.
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