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Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:49 pm

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1724

Highlights:

- Resumption of EWR-CDG nonstop (previously operated by AF and did not run in 2012)
- Resumption of seasonal BOS-CDG on DL metal (in addition to regular 2x AF metal)
- 2nd ATL-CDG on DL metal; total four daily (2x AF; 2x DL)
- 2nd JFK-AMS (seasonal) on DL metal
- DTW-CDG on DL metal extended to year-round from seasonal; from 763ER to A333

Flat-bed product to be available on CDG-JFK; CDG-EWR; CDG-CVG, and CDG-SEA.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:18 pm

Nice to see EWR-CDG, would still prefer Air France back but this is still an improvement.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:28 pm

To me it Iooks like they have been busy prioritizing fleet enhancements to dedicate the updated 763's from EWR to Europe so they can offer same level of service to their clients as on the 764's from JFK to LHR. I think there are enough business people in the NY metro area that may actually book an outbound flight from JFK after a day at the office and then choose to return intoto EWR on a Sat because they live on that side of the Hudson river, or alternatively choosing to take the PATH to EWR on a Wed evening and fly into JFK on Saturday because you live out on the Island.

[Edited 2012-10-05 06:42:12]

[Edited 2012-10-05 06:43:21]
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:28 pm

EWR-CDG----Better product and better f/a than AirFrance   Can't wait to work it.
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:36 pm

I appears that DL is committed to CVG-CDG long-term. I haven't heard yet if MEM-AMS will in fact resume seasonally in 2013.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:18 pm

Interesting comment from Glen Hauenstein, EVP Network and revenue.

“This expansion will have little effect on overall trans-Atlantic capacity discipline as Delta continues to reallocate seats into high-demand business travel markets.”

So sounds like DL will reshape its Atlantic network to refocus on these partner hubs, and reduce direct service to secondary markets as it appears the overall planned capacity will remain tapered.

Good move imo. Stick to your strengths
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:22 pm

Arrrgh!! And still no RDU-CDG service! Ohh.. the humanity..
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:23 pm

I wonder what will happen at ORD? I know there was speculation that Air France will soon announce full withdrawal from Chicago, with Delta taking the ORD-CDG route over, perhaps year-round.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
- Resumption of seasonal BOS-CDG on DL metal (in addition to regular 2x AF metal)

Funny, there's another thread going on right now regarding DL's next focus now that NYC is well covered, and in that thread someone mentioned BOS which was QUICKLY diminished and regarded as nonsense. Now, before anyone starts to dash my hopes that my hometown airport IS seeing a growth spurt by DL, I understand this is only seasonal. However, it's still growth and with the state of AA (the other domestic operator with CDG service from BOS), I think this is a great move and one that could lead to perhaps either an upgauge of equipment or even year round service.

Looking back just 4-5 years ago Delta had a very slim international presence @ BOS - Halifax, Toronto, Bermuda, Cancun to now a decent European mix as well (AMS, LHR, CDG), which isn't too shabby. I doubt it'd be much more growth, but I'm hopeful to what the future holds for DL @ BOS.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:20 pm

Any news about RDU-CDG?
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:22 pm

Delta's reference to adding DL #70 in Summer 2013 on JFK-AMS surprises me. This flight is already operating JFK-AMS in Summer 2012 and will operate in Winter 2012/2013:

SUMMER 2012:
- dep. 1800 JFK - arr. *0725 AMS KL0642 777 daily
- dep. 1805 EWR - arr. *0750 AMS DL604 767 daily
- dep. 2040 JFK - arr. *1025 AMS DL70 767 daily
- dep. 2255 JFK - arr. *1210 AMS KL0644 74M daily

WINTER 2012/2013:
- dep. 16:25 JFK - arr. 05:55 AMS DL 70 A333 daily
- dep. 17:45 JFK - arr. 07:10 AMS KL 0642 B777 daily
- dep. 19:05 EWR - arr. 07:50 AMS DL 34 B767 Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sun
- dep. 23:50 JFK - arr. 12:00 AMS KL 0644 B74M daily

What are we missing here?

I assume a new flight number will operate at 20.40 and Flight 70 will depart at 16.10.

[Edited 2012-10-05 08:24:52]
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:24 pm

Any word on resuming BDL-AMS?
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Any news about RDU-CDG?

Other than I think its the first time DL has thrown darts at a dartboard and pulled one out before starting the route, no.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
I haven't heard yet if MEM-AMS will in fact resume seasonally in 2013.

Delta.com shows MEM-AMS returning May 1, 2013. I know the online schedules are often placeholders, particularly this far out - is that the case here?
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
Flat-bed product to be available on CDG-JFK; CDG-EWR; CDG-CVG, and CDG-SEA.

I wonder, is this going to be a B764 operating the CVG flight then? Or an A330/772 or something larger than they are using now?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
I appears that DL is committed to CVG-CDG long-term

Well as per a contract with P&G they kinda have to. I stated previously that if DL stops this route another carrier (AF most likely) would take this route. P&G has some sort of contract in order to shuttle people between europe and their headquarters in Cincy.
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:47 pm

[

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 8):
nd in that thread someone mentioned BOS which was QUICKLY diminished and regarded as nonsense.

I was the someone who mentioned BOS and you are right that the idea was quickly diminishwd as nonsense
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:51 pm

Hope the rumored PDX-CDG service will be announced soon!
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 15):
I wonder, is this going to be a B764 operating the CVG flight then? Or an A330/772 or something larger than they are using now?

Elsewhere I believe I read that up to 9 763's have completed mods into the flat bed international configuration. I think this is part of the announced plant to update all 150 aircraft used to international flying to full flat bed in J. The last ones that will get this update will be the A330's.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:53 pm

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 8):
Now, before anyone starts to dash my hopes that my hometown airport IS seeing a growth spurt by DL, I understand this is only seasonal.

Unfortunately, I think this is more of DL expanding CDG rather than them expanding BOS. I think after B6 moved in, DL's days at BOS were numbered. I'd love to see DL build up BOS, however!
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, I think this is more of DL expanding CDG rather than them expanding BOS. I think after B6 moved in, DL's days at BOS were numbered. I'd love to see DL build up BOS, however!

Exactly...

Is Delta "focusing" on PIT or ORD or EWR? Just because they have an international flight there to a JV HUB doesn't mean much.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, I think this is more of DL expanding CDG rather than them expanding BOS. I think after B6 moved in, DL's days at BOS were numbered. I'd love to see DL build up BOS, however!
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):
Is Delta "focusing" on PIT or ORD or EWR? Just because they have an international flight there to a JV HUB doesn't mean much.

DL certainly is not as strong as they used to be at BOS, but it's still a very strong station for them, especially considering that DL basically shut down its focus city operations over the past few years. I think it is DL's largest non-hub station (depending on how one would clasify LAX), and one of a very few cities one could still call a focus city in any US legacy network. There's international service to AMS, CDG, BDA, and YUL; mainline to all the hubs (sans MEM) and MCO; the Shuttle to LGA; and still some P2P routes left over on DL Connection. Probably the biggest change at BOS for DL over the last few years has been the elimination of a glut of Connection P2P routes and the hacking of the mainline leisure routes to Florida, LAS, etc. Florida especially is where one sees the biggest B6 impact.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 20):
There's international service to AMS, CDG, BDA, and YUL

Don't forget LHR  
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 20):
but it's still a very strong station for them, especially considering that DL basically shut down its focus city operations over the past few years. I think it is DL's largest non-hub station (depending on how one would clasify LAX),



That you are right it is still a very strong and important station for Delta. And we don't have to tip toe around the classifications   LAX is not a hub for DL as they don't even call it a hub. It's just a gateway at the end of the day. As far as non-hub stations I think you're right. It's LAX then BOS if i'm not mistaken as far as departures.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 11):

Any word on resuming BDL-AMS?
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Any news about RDU-CDG?

Don't think there will be, unfortunately. I know that BDLAMS was a pmNW experiment that Delta didn't care to continue. Definitely a worthy effort, but I suppose that Delta would rather concentrate on BOS and JFK rather than include O&D from BDL in the mix.

RDUCDG never left the ground (no pun intended). Given that several years have lapsed since both of these sectors were announced, I don't think the signs look promising for their resumptions.

Kind of similar to PDX, I would imagine that a single flight to Europe is about as much as a RDU can support.

This...

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 7):
I wonder what will happen at ORD? I know there was speculation that Air France will soon announce full withdrawal from Chicago, with Delta taking the ORD-CDG route over, perhaps year-round.

....on the other hand, I am curious to know about!
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:45 pm

Does anybody know the specific AF changes mentioned in the release? PHL hasn't had any Skyteam transatlantic service in a little while (I can't remember if discontinued a year or two years ago). AF ran the route for years (most recently with A330s) but service was transitioned to Delta 757s a few years ago.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:39 pm

In response to rafflesking-

Delta ran a 763 on the PHL-CDG a few times. I flew a return from CDG on the 763. I think basically it operates with a 752 though. Glad to see DL increasing service to CDG and AMS for 2013. Even though I love to see DL in all the secondary European markets, I think its a wise decision to shift that responsiblity to the skyteam members. I bet SEA will eventually go to a 332 or 333. I assume DL will still operate the 2nd daily AMS service from SEA with a 763.

On another note, I wonder if DL will try and build NRT with any new service from the US. I could see the SCL service returning. Would a 2nd JFK or LAX service work?
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 10):
I assume a new flight number will operate at 20.40 and Flight 70 will depart at 16.10.

Yes...in this way, they will have flights for JFK-AMS pretty much every two hours between 1600 and 2300...

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Any news about RDU-CDG?
Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 11):
Any word on resuming BDL-AMS?
Quoting ANA787 (Reply 16):
Hope the rumored PDX-CDG service will be announced soon!

None of these will be happening next year...otherwise they would have included them in this press release. Some of these CDG routes (e.g., PHL, PIT) are already thin enough, they'd do better to focus getting those right first before taking up more thin routes....

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
I wonder, is this going to be a B764 operating the CVG flight then? Or an A330/772 or something larger than they are using now?

No, I believe CVG-CDG will remain a 763ER, just that by next summer, they will have many more of them converted to flat-beds and nose-to-tail AVOD.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting delta764 (Reply 25):
Even though I love to see DL in all the secondary European markets, I think its a wise decision to shift that responsiblity to the skyteam members.

Ha ha ha. I wonder how the nAAsayers are reacting to this given that this has become AA's tactic over the years. I'd argue that connecting on BA at LHR is still probably better than ANY connection via Charles de Gaulle.
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 27):
Ha ha ha. I wonder how the nAAsayers are reacting to this given that this has become AA's tactic over the years. I'd argue that connecting on BA at LHR is still probably better than ANY connection via Charles de Gaulle.

With the concentration of all AF flights now in 2E/2F/2G connections should be much smoother/efficient than in years past. CDG is hellbent on improving their pax experience as is AF.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:59 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):

Well in the case of EWR: CDG was a long time AF spoke destination. NW operated the AMS services for years, and DL grandfathered it into the merged network as a 763. The EWR-CDG is quite welcomed, and stoked to see it available on Delta.

PIT has a good amount of DL presence, ORD is definitely more than both PIT and EWR. DL has over 50 flights a day from O'Hare.

That makes two euro routes from EWR on DL: AMS and CDG on 763s respectively.

Not sure if EWR would become a focus city for DL (can't see them doing it like they do currently from say RDU) but if CDG is successful I wouldn't put it past DL to take over EWR-FCO from Alitalia at least seasonally.

Now if DL could ever try out again EWR-LAX...
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:04 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 27):
Ha ha ha. I wonder how the nAAsayers are reacting to this given that this has become AA's tactic over the years. I'd argue that connecting on BA at LHR is still probably better than ANY connection via Charles de Gaulle.

Um I wouldn't call this DL's strategy based off one route announcement (this one.) DL still has a huge TATL network, they're merely adding flights to ST partners. When you see them start slashing a whole slew of ATL and JFK routes and replace them with flights to AMS/CDG, you may have a point. (And yes, I know DL has downsized some TATL flying lately but that is mostly due to Europe's economy)
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 29):
Now if DL could ever try out again EWR-LAX...

If they refuse to run RJs on DEN-LAX which is a huge hole for them, I don't see EWR-LAX.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 29):
EWR-FCO

I highly doubt it, AZ really isn't too involved in the JV. I'd see DL adding flights to FCO from other cities before I'd see them add it from one of UA's largest hubs

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 29):
EWR-LAX

Maybe, but I think it would mostly be a flight for LAX than a flight for EWR

I don't see why DL would go head to head with UA @ EWR when they have a very large and good operation at LGA and JFK
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:49 am

Quoting DeltaMD90:
(And yes, I know DL has downsized some TATL flying lately but that is mostly due to Europe's economy

I won't list all that's gone, but I will say much of has to do with the price of fuel (making ATH/ZRH seasonal, eliminating BUD/LYS/CPT), American fear of the Middle East in a time of crisis (CAI/AMM), passenger and crew safety (ABV) and too few business travelers in certain markets (IEV/OTP/possibly BUD as well). The issue at hand is filling big planes out of JFK to non-connect markets on the other side of the pond. You need very good fares and strong demand to make that work.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:55 am

I'm glad DL is starting this service. Before this, the only service that truly warranted DL classifying CDG as a hub (other than AF service) was its service to SEA and seasonal service to BOS, ORD, PHL, and PIT. I'm really glad to see new service from EWR to CDG on DL, and am curious how successful that route will be. Are all of the new routes going to be operated with 763s, or will they upgauge to a 764, 330, or 77L for some of them?
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:33 am

Excellent news for EWR-CDG. Altough, I will regret AF on this route, DL option is better than no Skyteam option at all.

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 7):
I wonder what will happen at ORD? I know there was speculation that Air France will soon announce full withdrawal from Chicago, with Delta taking the ORD-CDG route over, perhaps year-round.

The last rumors are that AF will be back for the summer season (as this year), but who knows...See one of the last post in this thread
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:43 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

So sounds like DL will reshape its Atlantic network to refocus on these partner hubs, and reduce direct service to secondary markets as it appears the overall planned capacity will remain tapered.

not really. For the summer Delta plans on most of its ATL/JFK-Europe to be back. The only add is EWR-CDG which can be canceled out by ORD-CDG going back to AF. Glenn was just saying they wont be doing any (much) TATL growth for S13. Something I expect to be pretty much across the board unless some Oneworld carriers are looking to add capacity again.....for whatever reason.  
I think you will see Delta keep a nice network to Europe in the summer, with a nice chunk going away in the winter. I think the cuts will be thinner when the Euro economy gets better.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 10):

yes.

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 8):

how is adding a seasonal flight they had last year back growth?

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 29):

Now if DL could ever try out again EWR-LAX...

would be nice, but i think they are focused on JFK-LAX.

Quoting FlyASAguy2005 (Reply 31):

If they refuse to run RJs on DEN-LAX which is a huge hole for them, I don't see EWR-LAX.

FWIW i think that was more due to lack of 70 seat capacity with the shift to all 70 seaters and LGA build up. I truly expect it to be given a true shot once they get more 76-seater capacity in the system.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36):
FWIW i think that was more due to lack of 70 seat capacity with the shift to all 70 seaters and LGA build up. I truly expect it to be given a true shot once they get more 76-seater capacity in the system.

I hope so. It's a huge hole for the LAX network. 3-4 CR7s/CR9s would be just fine to start with a gradual build up. Just like they did with LAS. Plenty of options to get the snow birds to HI or onward connections to SYD (granted IDK what the local market is) and Asia. DEN is a fairly sizeable station for DL albeit to hubs but plenty of flights so I know there's some sort of following.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:22 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 37):

I hope so. It's a huge hole for the LAX network. 3-4 CR7s/CR9s would be just fine to start with a gradual build up. Just like they did with LAS. Plenty of options to get the snow birds to HI or onward connections to SYD (granted IDK what the local market is) and Asia. DEN is a fairly sizeable station for DL albeit to hubs but plenty of flights so I know there's some sort of following.

agreed. IMO DEN is the biggest hole now. (next up would be that city that Delta use to love but now hates....it'd be in Texas)
I do think we will see a few 700s sooner or later.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:24 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 30):
Um I wouldn't call this DL's strategy based off one route announcement (this one.) DL still has a huge TATL network, they're merely adding flights to ST partners. When you see them start slashing a whole slew of ATL and JFK routes and replace them with flights to AMS/CDG, you may have a point. (And yes, I know DL has downsized some TATL flying lately but that is mostly due to Europe's economy)

Ask any NYC 7ER DL pilot

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

So sounds like DL will reshape its Atlantic network to refocus on these partner hubs, and reduce direct service to secondary markets as it appears the overall planned capacity will remain tapered.

not really.

LAXintl has it right. Ask any Delta NYC 7ER pilot and they will agree as well. Due to the European economy DL is starting the process of retrenching to the big hubs, AMS and CDG (exception being FRA/LHR) with onwards connections via AF/KL. The NYC 7ER based guys would agree very much with LAXintl. That is the downside of the new contract they signed...outsourcing of more flights to codeshare partners.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:07 am

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 3):
EWR-CDG----Better product and better f/a than AirFrance   Can't wait to work it.
I'm looking forward to showing our new customers on this route Delta's legendary service!

Would be really curious to know why DL product is better than AF...
Maybe I missed something and you're now offering a wide choice of newspapers in Y class ?
Or complementary cocktails ?
Or a wide choice of movies... ?
And I don't want to be rude and won't mention anything about the so friendly DL f/a  ))
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting FFlyerCDg (Reply 40):
you're now offering a wide choice of newspapers in Y class ?

Depends on your definition of "wide". We usually offer a choice of three.

Quoting FFlyerCDg (Reply 40):
Or complementary cocktails ?

Yes in BE and EC. Free Beer/wine in YC

Quoting FFlyerCDg (Reply 40):
Or a wide choice of movies... ?

over 50 movies/tv

Quoting FFlyerCDg (Reply 40):
why DL product is better than AF...

True layflat seats with all aisle access in BE and AVOD in Y/C .

Quoting FFlyerCDg (Reply 40):
And I don't want to be rude and won't mention anything about the so friendly DL f/a &nbsp Wink)

but you did.  
Tell you what, give the flight a chance and then tell us your experience. I hope to change your mind.
There is a great group of F/A's who can't wait to work this flight and know how important it is.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:31 pm

IMHO DL is hoarding cash in the event AA has assets for sale or the creditors force them into Chapter 7. A MIA or DFW turnkey operation would be a godsend. If history is any hint, many AA people would still have jobs which would be great. That's the way they did it at Pan Am.
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delimit
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:15 pm

1. Is someone really bringing up the pilots as if they have special knowledge of the company's strategic direction? Don't we all know better by now?

2. LHR vs CDG: so I fly Ito LHR on AA. How easy is that transfer for me?

3. The DL FA's are way better than their being given credit for. They are the equals of AF. Easily.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting FFlyerCDg (Reply 40):
And I don't want to be rude and won't mention anything about the so friendly DL f/a &nbsp Wink)
Quoting cokepopper (Reply 3):
Better product and better f/a than AirFrance  

My original comment was just light hearted competitive fun. Nothing more.
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 42):

That's a theory but if AA went chapter 7 I'm sure DL is more than willing to snatch up 30-40 738s from AA over the MIA hub.
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting B777ER (Reply 39):
Ask any NYC 7ER DL pilot

Um pilots are probably the worst source of information, this site kinda proves it. Not saying that I'm right and they're wrong, but I wouldn't call what "pilots say" as fact
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 45):
That's a theory but if AA went chapter 7 I'm sure DL is more than willing to snatch up 30-40 738s from AA over the MIA hub.

If that were true,why doesn't Delta just buy 30-40 738s from Boeing
 
cokepopper
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 47):
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 45):
That's a theory but if AA went chapter 7 I'm sure DL is more than willing to snatch up 30-40 738s from AA over the MIA hub.

If that were true,why doesn't Delta just buy 30-40 738s from Boeing

I'm sure Delta could get a better deal from AA than Boeing. Probably not as good and creative deal ala Southwest for their 717's, but probably a good one. Think " liquidator sale " lol
 
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RE: Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 41):
Quoting FFlyerCDg (Reply 40):
Or complimentary cocktails ?

Yes in BE and EC. Free Beer/wine in YC

But on AF it's not limited to beer and wine in Y class. That's true for almost all major non-US carriers on longhaul flights.