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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:44 pm

Part 9 got rather long:

787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9 (by wilco737 Sep 18 2012 in Civil Aviation)

So now part 10 available.

Enjoy and have fun.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:03 pm

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:32 pm

And there was much rejoicing....

...yay...


Anyway, here is the current delivery report (thanks to UNITED787):


2011: 03
L/N 08 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3

2012: 25
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 09 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 07 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13
L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/4/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/6/2012 - AI #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/18/2012 - AI #2
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/22/2012 - UA #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/23/2012 - NH #14
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/24/2012 - JL #6
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/30/2012 - NH #15
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 10/3/2012 - ET #2
L/N 46 - VT-ANI – 10/5/2012 - AI #3 (I am guessing ANI was delivered today, but it might have been ANJ)

[Edited 2012-10-05 07:35:24]
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:37 pm

VT-ANI indeed, VT-ANJ is still in Ft. Worth.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:45 pm

Boeing has pulled out another 787 from the CHS final assembly...L/N 65 and is on the flight line in pre-flight. More activity at the EMC too.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
Boeing has pulled out another 787 from the CHS final assembly...L/N 65 and is on the flight line in pre-flight. More activity at the EMC too.

And that was to last one that needed change incorporation. CHS can now move towards 1 roll-out a month.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):

Never thought we'd see this scene   

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/30/2012 - NH #15

So 15 so far with NH in one year. Not bad at all. Not bad at all indeed. Good to hear ANA getting great reviews so far for their product. My buddy flew on this flight from Hiroshima to Tokyo and he said he wanted to stay on board the plane and fly back to Hiroshima, it was that good for him.
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
So 15 so far with NH in one year. Not bad at all. Not bad at all indeed. Good to hear ANA getting great reviews so far for their product. My buddy flew on this flight from Hiroshima to Tokyo and he said he wanted to stay on board the plane and fly back to Hiroshima, it was that good for him.

ANA didn't get 15 787s for far this year. They got three last year and 12 this year so far.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:19 pm

Got as new post up with updates to 787 production.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
So 15 so far with NH in one year. Not bad at all. Not bad at all indeed. Good to hear ANA getting great reviews so far for their product. My buddy flew on this flight from Hiroshima to Tokyo and he said he wanted to stay on board the plane and fly back to Hiroshima, it was that good for him.

ANA didn't get 15 787s for far this year. They got three last year and 12 this year so far.

I think he meant 15 in the preceding 12 months, which is what has indeed happened. OK, 12 months and 5 days...   

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
ANA didn't get 15 787s for far this year. They got three last year and 12 this year so far.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
I think he meant 15 in the preceding 12 months, which is what has indeed happened. OK, 12 months and 5 days...

   i should've been more specific
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:14 pm

Boeing just emailed me...they have delivered the the first 787 to Qatar Airways today. They've delivered 29 787s to 7 customers thus far. See my blog post for updated information and tables.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:56 pm

Nice. So each FAL delivered a plane today.   
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Nice. So each FAL delivered a plane today.

Yes but the Qatar plane will remain at Everett for a cople more weeks.
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:16 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Nice. So each FAL delivered a plane today.

Even better, the two deliveries were two of the higher-risk deliveries planned for this month.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:33 pm

Well it certainly looks like Boeing with easily hit their 787 delivery numbers this year... Nice!
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Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:38 pm

The deliveries thus far are following close to the plan that RobK sent a few days ago (removed by the mods). Look for LAN and Ethiopian to take the next couple of planes but not for another couple of weeks. Deliveries are planned for QR and AI in about two weeks as well.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 16):
The deliveries thus far are following close to the plan that RobK sent a few days ago (removed by the mods). Look for LAN and Ethiopian to take the next couple of planes but not for another couple of weeks. Deliveries are planned for QR and AI in about two weeks as well.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 16):
The deliveries thus far are following close to the plan that RobK sent a few days ago (removed by the mods). Look for LAN and Ethiopian to take the next couple of planes but not for another couple of weeks. Deliveries are planned for QR and AI in about two weeks as well.

I'm curious to know why it was deleted. Did he suggest delete it?

Quoting MSN007 (Reply 17):
Where is A.net hosted in North Korea?

Is that where he is?   

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
Boeing just emailed me...they have delivered the the first 787 to Qatar Airways today. They've delivered 29 787s to 7 customers thus far. See my blog post for updated information and tables.

Good news but like AI i gotta see it in Qatar in order for me to believe this  
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
And there was much rejoicing....

...yay...

Thanks for the chortle.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:18 am

According to an article in the Norwegian press, the first aircraft to Norwegian will be LN102....although the info should be taken with a grain of salt
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:39 am

VT-ANI isn't expected to fly out from CHS until next week.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:45 pm

Line 40-26
looking at the master delivery chart on all things 787, it seems like (3) 787 will soon come out of line 40-26
LAN ln80 and Hainan ln79 in position 4 and LOT ln78 that is in position 3, but has already been in position 4
so there are 6 new frames in all the positions now and UA ln77 outside

Line 40-24
It looks like they must get JAL ln21 finished with change incorporation before they can move JAL 84 past position 2. Currently listed that JAL ln21 (rework) in position 3 and JAL 84 (new) in position 1 {I think that line 40-24 does not have a position 4}
so there is 1 new frame in the position here so far, and 1 rework left to move out

Line 88-3
5 frames in all positions 0,1,2,3,4 and Air India ln65 outside now

UA ln50 just out of rework, does anyone have any idea when UA ln45,52,55 will get out of re-work?

All this activity seems like it will result in a lot of deliveries in Oct to end of December.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 22):
It looks like they must get JAL ln21 finished with change incorporation before they can move JAL 84 past position 2. Currently listed that JAL ln21 (rework) in position 3 and JAL 84 (new) in position 1 {I think that line 40-24 does not have a position 4}
so there is 1 new frame in the position here so far, and 1 rework left to move out

LN80 went through the surge line so LN21 should not create a bottleneck. And there is indeed no 4th position available for the surge line, both lines share position 4 in the 40-26 building.

[Edited 2012-10-06 07:47:18]
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Good news but like AI i gotta see it in Qatar in order for me to believe this

When it comes from Boeing PR (as this news did), you should believe it.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:20 pm

3 so far for October( could have been 10 for september), there should be at least 2 more LAN+ET, both have flown.

Wild cards, QR#2 has flown, AI #4 has flown, ANA#16 has not flown.

UAs LN77 just finished paint, will it make it?

China has some issue with certification so scratch those 2 birds. If FAA and EASA has OKed the 787 why would China be more stringent?

Any way, looks like B should get the move on with test flights again, let those pilots earn their pay  
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:36 pm

Quote:
Line 40-26
looking at the master delivery chart on all things 787, it seems like (3) 787 will soon come out of line 40-26
LAN ln80 and Hainan ln79 in position 4 and LOT ln78 that is in position 3, but has already been in position 4
so there are 6 new frames in all the positions now and UA ln77 outside

I don't think it's physically possible to put two frames into the same position, but I have no idea how big that building really is. The big question is: where are LN78 and/or LN79 at the moment? There is only 1 frame inside the 40-24 building, and 4 positions inside 40-26. So we have 5 occupied positions (4 + 1) and 6 frames ... maybe one of them is already outside, or inside another building?

Quote:
UA ln50 just out of rework, does anyone have any idea when UA ln45,52,55 will get out of re-work?

I expect to see LN 45 and LN 55 very soon, they have been inside the EMC for a while. LN 52 just went inside the EMC and she will be there for a couple of months. United should have 5 frames by the end of the year (LN 45, 50, 53, 55 and 77).
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 24):
When it comes from Boeing PR (as this news did), you should believe it.

I guess you're right but this is notwithstanding issues with the Qatar government. Boeing can't necessarily do anything about that.
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:13 pm

Quoting Stitch:
Quoting lightsaber:
Excellent! Do we have a target line number?

Probably around the time the first 787-9 starts assembly (which I believe is still pencilled in as LN129).

The first 787-9 is LN126
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:23 pm

If they go 14 a month the 7810 might arrive sooner? Some of 789 orders may be converted for 7810 just as some 788 orders have been converted to 789 orders.

Anyway I call BS on Aspire 4t overweight for LN66+, I can live with 2t. If no improvement was made since LN20 something is very wrong. Its not only 789 parts that got redesigned, 788 parts of later line numbers also got changed.

The big question is the SOB fixed or not for later 788s? That is 800 pounds in one go. LN7 that got delivered was about 6t over the target. LN20-90 being of the same weight, nah, sorry I don't buy it for a second.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 29):
Anyway I call BS on Aspire 4t overweight for LN66+, I can live with 2t. If no improvement was made since LN20 something is very wrong.

What makes you believe that the figure floating around for LN20 is more accurate?

Quoting sweair (Reply 29):
LN7 that got delivered was about 6t over the target. LN20-90 being of the same weight, nah, sorry I don't buy it for a second.

The target that was in place for LN7 may no longer be valid. The baseline MEW has likely been revised for LN20 and following, in line with the increase in MTOW of 8,5t. I'd wager that the difference in baseline MEW is about 3,6t. That makes '4t overweight for LN66+" even less reasonable unless the reference is the old target.   
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:26 pm

ah ok, now I understand, I think.... LN80 now at 40-26 position 4 came from 40-24 position 2 and skipped 40-24 position 3 (now occupied by JAL ln21) - and used 40-26 position 3 ?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 26):
I don't think it's physically possible to put two frames into the same position

It's not, but if you don't actually need to work on the frame at the moment (i.e. you don't need the line tooling or support infrastructure) it's possible to stuff planes in between positions in some cases.

There are also several "offline" or "out-of-sequence" areas within the factories to hold planes that need work for some reason but don't want to hold up others.

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Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:41 am

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 31):
ah ok, now I understand, I think.... LN80 now at 40-26 position 4 came from 40-24 position 2 and skipped 40-24 position 3 (now occupied by JAL ln21) - and used 40-26 position 3 ?

No, LN80 went trough the whole surge line, so positions 1, 2 and 3. Then it moved to position 4 in the 40-26 building. The JAL frame is currently at position 1 on the surge line.
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:10 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
No, LN80 went trough the whole surge line, so positions 1, 2 and 3. Then it moved to position 4 in the 40-26 building.

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Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:41 am

@NYC777: I wanted to add a small correction to your list, regarding delivery date of SP-LRA.

November 15 is the date of arrival at Warsaw; the actual delivery is expected to take place on either 11th or 12th, per LO CEO interview from last month in the Polish media outlets.
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:46 pm

No, LN80 went trough the whole surge line, so positions 1, 2 and 3. Then it moved to position 4 in the 40-26 building. The JAL frame is currently at position 1 on the surge line.

I thought JAL ln84 was in position #1 and JAL ln21 was being reworked in position 3, so there are two in there
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:55 pm

Not seen this mentioned here. Matt Cawby tweeted this youtube video of the Boeing Everett Flightline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5wE7ue-ZTk&feature=youtu.be

Intetresting to see all the coming deliveries lined up
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 36):
I thought JAL ln84 was in position #1 and JAL ln21 was being reworked in position 3, so there are two in there


The 40-24 building has 4 positions. According to Randy's article the surge line uses 3 of them, so LN21 must be at position 4 for rework.

Quote:
Instead of moving down the line in a nose-to-door configuration, airplanes will be staged in a slanted arrangement at Position 3. After completing interior installations, the airplane will move to Position 4 over on the original line.


[Edited 2012-10-07 11:13:33]
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 38):
The 40-24 building has 4 positions. According to Randy's article the surge line uses 3 of them, so LN21 must be at position 4 for rework.

It looks to me, that third position is doubled - don't know why, but that's how it looks - from your quote: "airplanes will be staged in a slanted arrangement at Position 3"
We can see two airplanes in slanted arrangement on the picture, so... Just my three cents.
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:34 pm

thanks for the diagram, I can see how they can put a few frames to the side and not at the assembly stations with the tooling, that is probably why they made so much fress space around the 787 line 40-26 compared to the others, like earlier 767 and 747 lines and 777 line, I was wondering about that before.

the 777 line looks open in this diagram, but pictures show it is very congested with scaffolding compared to the 787 lines
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:37 pm

Is LN21 still in 40-24? We seem to assume that, but can anyone confirm really? I guess a part of rework is dismantling everything that needs to be changed and then move on to new installations? Maybe that work was done in 40-24?
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:44 pm

Are all the buildings physically separated or is the transportation aisle inside of the building(s)?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 41):
Is LN21 still in 40-24? We seem to assume that, but can anyone confirm really?

That information is correct. I have it in 40-24.
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:33 pm

For all 787 twin fans (don't include me), Jon Ostrower uploaded today (October 7) 143 photos of the 787 Final Assembly Line (Pictures were shot during August-2012) :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/flightblogger/sets/72157631714902435/

[Edited 2012-10-07 14:34:54]
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:33 pm

VT-ANI is ready for flyout tomorrow!  

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:46 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 42):
Are all the buildings physically separated or is the transportation aisle inside of the building(s)?


it's essentially one building with both cross aisles 20-25 ft wide and longitudinal aisles 10-12 ft wide on each side of the a/c the crane tracks run lengthwise however there are crossovers to allow movement between bays. .

CAUTION: in looking at the layouts like the one in reply 38, remember that these are from industrial engineering charts and show all possible positions not just the activated ones. Further, they do not show staging, offices and work areas on the floor so big open spaces probably don't exist. With JIT much is positioned as close to the use point as possible but not fixed so they can be moved easily to support process changes.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 40):
the 777 line looks open in this diagram, but pictures show it is very congested with scaffolding compared to the 787 lines

It's not scaffolding, it's fixed tooling. The assembly process of the 777 is radically different from the 787 and a huge amount of monument tooling is required. That's why the pictures look so congested...because it's so congested. The position maps are just showing the position of the airplane parts, not the tons (literally) of tooling around them.

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:24 pm

The 40-25 and 40-26 buildings are 50 feet wider than the others. Both buildings were both originally constructed in 1991 for 777 production but in the end, only the 40-25 was ever activated for the 777. When the 787 came along, they used the empty 40-26 and then later reconfigured the south end of the 40-24 building from 767 production to be the 787 surge line. It was originally constructed in 1978/79 as the 767 line.

The latest generation of tooling is much less fixed than in past programs. Only position zero and one have any real tooling and even then the position 1 tooling is not fixed but is track mounted for use as a moving line and the airplane doesn't go onto its gear until P2. The track mounted tools are interchangeable between the 40-26 and 40-24. 40-26 P4 has a drain system in the floor for wing tank washing that they didn't duplicate for the surge line. So even though there is a spot on the floor one could call P4 in the 40-24 building, it is not designated as such because the work scheduled for P4 is in the other building. Hence they just use it for overflow.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10

Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:47 pm

VT-ANI is on its way to DEL from CHS via FRA as AIC170.

With 3 787s operational, Air India will enter phase 2 of the familiarization plan, with service from Delhi to Frankfurt to begin next week.
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