User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:09 pm

Caught on camera, TSA security freeze drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0awE1Q2HA&feature=player_embedded
 
EMBQA
Posts: 7798
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:52 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:15 pm

This was discussed a few weeks back. TSA came out and said there is no such thing as a freeze drill nor is it an approved thing and was looking into it
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
 
QANTAS747-438
Posts: 1668
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2001 7:01 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):

What do you mean that the TSA doesnt do the freeze drill? They do it at LAX numerous times per day.
My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):

This was discussed a few weeks back. TSA came out and said there is no such thing as a freeze drill nor is it an approved thing and was looking into it

The local FOX news station in Phoenix reported on it.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/19...2012/09/30/tsa-drill-at-sky-harbor
 
ikramerica
Posts: 13808
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:32 pm

I've been in one. It's annoying. But I see it like a fire drill. Needs to be practiced.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:42 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):

Love it or hate it (I hate it) according to QANTAS747-438 he has seen that happen several times in 1 day. If they had fire drills several times a day that would be quite disruptive.
 
LimaFoxTango
Posts: 804
Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:33 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:00 pm

Happened to me twice in SJU. Couldnt quite figure out what was really going on. As said in the video, it only lasted a few minutes.
You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
 
USAIRWAYS321
Posts: 1707
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 4:31 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
I've been in one. It's annoying. But I see it like a fire drill. Needs to be practiced.

Which aspect needs to be practiced - idiots telling people not to move, or passengers standing still? Neither part is practice-worthy.
 
JetAmericaS80
Posts: 52
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:17 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:16 am

....I've screwed it up a couple times, prancing on through, too busy checking my pairing on my iPhone, in order to make sure I can make a Starbucks run before my next flight. TSA hates me...   

JetA
The Best Buy in the Sky, Treat yourself to Jet America!
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:35 am

Why does the TSA do this, if true? They are security checkpoint agents, not airport police. WTH?

Their badge doesn't mean diddly squat to me once I pass through security. From that point on, it's the airport police I deal with and take instructions from. They are the ones who enforce the law, not the security screeners.

The TSA do not carry a gun nor carry handcuffs. They are not there to arrest anyone, that's the airport police job, hence why you see a cop at the end of the checkpoint.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
ikramerica
Posts: 13808
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:38 am

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 7):

I've only seen it at a checkpoint. I'd probably ignore them if I was already past security.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:40 am

Wonder what would happen if a deaf person cannot hear the freeze command and the TSA does not know they are hearing impaired ?
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 11):

Wonder what would happen if a deaf person cannot hear the freeze command and the TSA does not know they are hearing impaired ?


I would keeping on walking. They touch me, they deal with the airport police on assault charges. But that's just me...
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 7952
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:49 am

I was also thinking about foreigners not speaking good English and not expecting this.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:53 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
I would keeping on walking. They touch me, they deal with the airport police on assault charges. But that's just me...

Bravo, I would applaud that, and i wonder when the general public would all take that stance and say enough is enough
 
jporterfi
Posts: 465
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:25 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:00 am

This happened to me in 2010 in ATL. Quite unnerving to say the least. I looked around to see if anyone had a gun and was sprinting toward the escalators down to the train! Once we figured out it was a drill everything went back to normal, but I wish their was a was TSA could do it without scaring the crap out of passengers!
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:00 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
I was also thinking about foreigners not speaking good English and not expecting this.

Suppose they will end up with an 11,000 dollar fine & a little jail time (that will teach those foreigners). No wonder were scaring away the foreign tourists to this country.

Airport Pat-Downs: TSA Says it Can Fine You for Backing Out
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/walki...ine/story?id=12215171#.UG-B2JjBEqM
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:10 am

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 16):

But have they fined anyone to date yet? My guess is no.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
But have they fined anyone to date yet? My guess is no.

it is an old article but apparently they collected 1 million in fines
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7806697/...an-cost-you-airports/#.UG-Fu5jBEqM
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 18):

Thats at the checkpoint itself, not out on the concourses though.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
plateman
Posts: 646
Joined: Wed May 23, 2007 9:36 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:03 am

Experienced it at Phoenix too after landing ... when walking past a checkpoint they stopped everyone, with people backing up onto the moving walkways, being dangerous.

I was walking with a former senior ATC person at PHX who I met on plane and was just as confused as me.
"Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:10 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Thats at the checkpoint itself, not out on the concourses though.

Well in this article http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/19...2012/09/30/tsa-drill-at-sky-harbor it is quoted as saying

"At least one passenger FOX 10 spoke with said people were scared when the drill took place in the middle of a terminal last week, past the security checkpoint."

So i figure the potential for a fine would also be possible if ignoring the TSA. in this example
 
PHX787
Posts: 7881
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:29 am

We talked about this in the PHX aviation thread a while back. It pissed a lot of people off.
Follow me on twitter: www.twitter.com/phx787
 
Maverick623
Posts: 4651
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:13 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):

Their badge doesn't mean diddly squat to me once I pass through security. From that point on, it's the airport police I deal with and take instructions from. They are the ones who enforce the law, not the security screeners.

TSA can screen you anytime at or past the checkpoint.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 15):
but I wish their was a was TSA could do it without scaring the crap out of passengers!

Ah... but that's the whole point. It's nothing more than obedience training. Scare the people into doing anything for security.

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 16):
TSA Says it Can Fine You for Backing Out

The TSA says a lot of things that aren't true. Legally, there is nothing they can do to detain you if you decide you've had enough and walk away, even if they don't have your information. Even airport cops can't do anything if you simply walk away, because you have committed no crime.

Google John Tyner. He was repeatedly threatened by the FSD at SAN for refusing a pat-down and leaving, yet nothing came of it.
"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
 
USAIRWAYS321
Posts: 1707
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2001 4:31 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
TSA can screen you anytime at or past the checkpoint.

Not arguing with you, but a screening after the checkpoint is a self-admission from the TSA that they didn't do a good enough job to begin with.
 
sccutler
Posts: 5603
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:16 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:09 am

I would modestly suggest that we all, each and every one of us, have a duty to vigorously and openly ignore foolishness like this.

A TSA agent tells me to freeze, I tell him to mind his own damned business.

You don't like what I am doing, let's get us a proper, sworn peace officer and have a conversation about probable cause.

These people, and the agency they represent, are utterly, profoundly and perhaps irretrievably out of control.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
shufflemoomin
Posts: 409
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:04 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:59 am

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 16):
No wonder were scaring away the foreign tourists to this country.

It's probably more to do with having to submit all kinds of information about yourself beforehand, explain where you're staying on the first night, being met off the plane by a surly guy dressed in black with a gun asking you questions like a criminal and taking your picture and fingerprints. "Welcome" to the US, my butt. I simply don't visit as often as I used to.
 
mcdu
Posts: 906
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:23 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:26 am

One of my many beefs with the TSA is the secondary ID verification at the gates. I would love to know how many people they have ever caught in one these checks without proper ID. If they do then as was mentioned earlier, isn't that an admission that they aren't doing the job correctly at the checkpoint.

I do hope there is someone in politics willing to dismantle this obtuse organization. Lack of common sense and a hiring track record causes great concern.
 
sweair
Posts: 1816
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:59 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:39 am

Until US lets go of its silly trauma about security I did my last visit 2003, even before that the immigration procedure was a uncomfortable experience.

I will rather spend my money elsewhere, I liked US like it was 20 years ago, the current US I will stay far away from. The land of the free...yeah right! The land of the manipulated!

The violence in the US outside of the Airport is where more security is needed.
 
PanHAM
Posts: 8642
Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 6:44 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 26):
being met off the plane by a surly guy dressed in black with a gun asking you questions like a criminal and taking your picture and fingerprints

yes, and then, when making your next flight, you are treated like a criminal again.

OK, as a foreigner, I am not supposed to understand "freeze". I am not supposed to know what it means. I simply don't care.

As a free person, I am not obliged to follow a "command". Such commands are intended for criminals on the run, in a prison but not in a public airport.

It is OK at check points to open ypour luggage, put laptops separates, take off belts, taking off shoes is already questionable since there are machines for screening shoes available. I have to undergo all that, OK, but I am a customer, i even pay for the service and I have to be treated with respect and dignity.

Yelling "freeze" and expecting the herd of sheep to stand still is humiliating and a disgrace for the USA that they treat their subjects and foreigners as well like they where North koreans. At least in that country they know the difference how to treat guests.

.
powered by Eierlikör
 
sweair
Posts: 1816
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:59 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:44 am

TSA is about showing the public something is done, it is not more secure than before. If the public gets fooled that it is good it works. Sadly the American population seems very easy to manipulate.
 
oldeuropean
Posts: 1686
Joined: Thu May 19, 2005 5:19 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:14 am

This has nothing to do with 9/11.

This is a special American thing, showing the relationship between officers and normal citizens and unthinkable in most other countries. You never would see some behaviour like that here.
Also long before the TSA, even in 1989 in LAX I experienced immigration agents that were rude and yelling on nearly every passenger and foreign tourists. It remembered me on drill sergeants.
Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
 
sweair
Posts: 1816
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:59 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:25 am

I do on occasion get bad treatment on ARN as well, the kind of persons employed in the security there is not my kind of ideal person. I wont say more, because that is not PC.

We live in a time and age where governments overstep their responsibilities by huge margins and most people are fine with it or even applaud it. It really sickens me though, spying on Internet traffic, phone calls screening etc Who asked for this? US is ahead in aviation harassment but EU will go the same way.
 
PanHAM
Posts: 8642
Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 6:44 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:58 am

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 31):
1989 in LAX I experienced immigration agents that were rude and yelling on nearly every passenger and foreign tourists. It remembered me on drill sergeants.

Well, you also have the nice guys who make a joke and put smiles on people#s faces. Or the "business like" officer who routinely asks the questions he has to ask and let the stamps fly and get you going in very short time,

But they are real officials whpo perform a sovereign task. TSA is not.

Quoting sweair (Reply 32):
I wont say more, because that is not PC.

Speak up, it is your right in a free society. PC is, in reality nothing less than Orwells 1984 vision come true.

.
powered by Eierlikör
 
PlaneInsomniac
Posts: 356
Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:34 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:32 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
But I see it like a fire drill. Needs to be practiced.

Fire drill for what? The further arbitrary harrassment of passengers by out-of-control "officers", obviously with no instructions or justification by their own superiors. There certainly is zero security improvement here - if I were a terrorist, wouldn't I make extra sure that I don't move? And aren't these "drills" (unauthorized) of an unauthorized security "technique" just a warning to everybody and a training for how to act properly to avoid detection? Then what is the point in the first place?

No, sorry, this is just ridiculous.

Frankly, I find it scary that anybody would try to defend this kind of out-of-control behavior.
Am I cured? Slept 5 hours on last long-haul flight...
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 28):
Until US lets go of its silly trauma about security I did my last visit 2003, even before that the immigration procedure was a uncomfortable experience.

The TSA and CBP are two totally different agencies in different areas. They do not work together.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
shufflemoomin
Posts: 409
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:04 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:33 pm

I'm aware that Customs & Border Patrol are the agency that "welcome" you into the country and are separate from the TSA. My point is that all aspects of travelling in and out of the USA and simply getting worse and a lot of people just don't want to deal with it.
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:42 pm

 
flyingturtle
Posts: 4760
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:39 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 7):
Which aspect needs to be practiced - idiots telling people not to move, or passengers standing still? Neither part is practice-worthy.

They are testing if the TSA still have any authority left in order to goad passengers around, and yell them pointless orders.



On a more practical matter... what's the point of "freeze"?

If any officer yells "freeze", people would look around scared. They are very likely to look at the TSA officer. And people have a uncanny ability to look in the same direction as everybody else. They try to make sense out of that yell. So the TSA officer is watched by a hundred eyes...

If no "freeze" order is given, any person wielding a weapon will get the passengers' attention. And approaching officers can quickly make sense out of the situation.



David

[Edited 2012-10-06 07:13:11]

[Edited 2012-10-06 07:14:10]
Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
 
Coronado990
Posts: 1314
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:12 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
Why does the TSA do this, if true? They are security checkpoint agents, not airport police.
Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 18):
it is an old article but apparently they collected 1 million in fines

There's your answer folks. You think they really care about your security? They need an income. It's always about the money around here. It you can't tax it...fine it!
Uncle SAN at your service!
 
Maverick623
Posts: 4651
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:13 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 24):
Not arguing with you, but a screening after the checkpoint is a self-admission from the TSA that they didn't do a good enough job to begin with.

Oh not to worry, I am more than in agreement with you.
"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
 
usflyguy
Posts: 1561
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:29 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:47 pm

Was that right at the exit to a checkpoint? I've seen them do that before when a police officer was confiscating a gun from someone in the checkpoint in PHL and another time in BNA when a guy was having a large knife getting confiscated.
My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:19 pm

Ben Franklin quote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

National TSA opt out & film week 11-19-12 thru 11-26-12
http://www.infowars.com/national-opt...ut-week-the-new-anti-tsa-campaign/
 
asctty
Posts: 133
Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:23 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:19 pm

The land of the free surpasses itself yet again. What a shame the country seems so insecure??
 
N766UA
Posts: 7843
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 1999 3:50 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
Their badge doesn't mean diddly squat to me once I pass through security.
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
TSA can screen you anytime at or past the checkpoint.

Whoopdee doo. I'm with AS, and I'll add that their badge doesn't mean squat to me at the checkpoint either. I respect the need for security, but the TSA has never made me feel secure (or even marginally safer for that matter.)

The job is necessary and there are some good screeners out there for sure, but there are just as many who love dressing up and playing police because they flunked out of ITT tech's criminal justice program. You've gotta earn respect, and TSA consistently doesn't do that. The badge doesn't mean a thing, and I'd be willing to bet that the aforementioned "good screeners" would understand what I'm saying.
This Website Censors Me
 
N766UA
Posts: 7843
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 1999 3:50 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 42):
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Ben Franklin lived in an era of horses and gas lamps; he never had a 767 fly into his skyscraper.

Just saying.
This Website Censors Me
 
flyingturtle
Posts: 4760
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:39 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 45):

But strangely, freedom of the press and the freedom of opinion aren't restricted to hand-written pamphlets, printing presses and horse-drawn postal coaches either.

Certain ideas, like not bartering freedom for "security", are timeless.


David
Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
 
Maverick623
Posts: 4651
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:13 am

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 45):
Ben Franklin lived in an era of horses and gas lamps; he never had a 767 fly into his skyscraper.

Ben Franklin's discoveries and actions directly led to the incandescent light bulb and internal combustion engines, and discovered the very principles of meteorology that allows a 767 to safely and efficiently navigate through the atmosphere and buildings to stand. So clearly, your "primitive" argument fails.

"If an Indian injures me, does it follow that I may revenge that Injury on all Indians?" is another, more relevant quote of his.

He also witnessed the same policies the British enacted against the Colonies devastate Ireland, and lived through the violent overthrow of the Crown in the Colonies.

But apparently, in order to be an expert in freedom and security, you have to watch a 767 fly into a skyscraper. Get real.
"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
 
Cubsrule
Posts: 11650
Joined: Sat May 15, 2004 12:13 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:22 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 44):
The job is necessary and there are some good screeners out there for sure, but there are just as many who love dressing up and playing police because they flunked out of ITT tech's criminal justice program. You've gotta earn respect, and TSA consistently doesn't do that. The badge doesn't mean a thing, and I'd be willing to bet that the aforementioned "good screeners" would understand what I'm saying.

  

There are also good TSA operations out there, where TSA management obviously cares and the checkpoint experience is almost always a good one. Interestingly, those airports seem not to wind up in the news for having "freeze drills," while airports with consistently awful TSA experiences, like PHX, do. I wonder whether local TSA management has the discretion to have "freeze drills" or not.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
User avatar
rmoore7734
Topic Author
Posts: 209
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:57 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 47):
Quoting N766UA (Reply 45):

Thanks for the backup, i could not have written better   

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos