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US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:43 pm

Hello.

What are the chances of a little US expansion out of CLT.

Possible routes: GEG,TUS,TUL,OKC,GRR,SNA,SJC

Aircraft: GEG-A319 TUS-A319 TUL CRJ 200 OKC-CRJ 200 maybe 700, GRR CRJ 200,SNA 757 , SJC A320

Just a thought

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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):

SNA, if started, would be an a319 or maybe an a320. Not a 757.

OKC and TUL I'm kinda surprised there aren't served rom CLT yet.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:24 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

Yea maybe a little to much capacity, a A319 would make more sense

[Edited 2012-10-06 18:03:34]
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:58 am

TUL and OKC will probably be a matter of time, the rest of those might be various degrees of unlikely. Of course that all depends on the, ahem, state of independence of the airline.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
GEG-A319

0% chance. If Delta isn't running it with a much larger hub in Atlanta and having a partnership with AS on the GEG end, there's no way that US would be able to make this work profitably.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
TUS-A319

Tried a few years ago and failed. Doubt it would work again - Delta has a pretty good grasp on the TUS-Southeast market. Easy enough to just shuttle pax up to PHX on the many CR9s and 319s on TUS-PHX and connect them there.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
TUL CRJ 200

Surprised this one hasn't happened yet. Though painfully long for a CR2 at 842 miles.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
OKC-CRJ 200 maybe 700

Same with TUL. Though even more painfully longer (940 miles on a CR2 just makes my knees hurt thinking about it)

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
GRR CRJ 200

Could see this one happening. Actually surprised US hasn't come back to GRR yet; it's a Delta stronghold but I'd think they'd be able to run a solid CRJ station there DCA/PHL/CLT flights.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
SNA 757

Would be a 319 if they get the slots for it; not sure how much they want it though when it overflies PHX and most of the major cities can be hit over PHX.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
SJC A320

Same with SNA, just a bit more marginal. Even Delta is down to a 1x/day flight on ATL-SJC.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:56 am

GEG I just see as highly unlikely. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't DL not even fly GEG-ATL nonstop?
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 7):
GEG I just see as highly unlikely

I agree GEG-PHX is only 1-2x a day. It seems highly unlikely US would start CLT
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 7):
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't DL not even fly GEG-ATL nonstop?

Nope - only SLC and MSP for Delta out of GEG. ATL-GEG was announced as a 1x/weekly 737-800 around 2008 but never got off the ground.

Considering Delta has a much larger operation in GEG than US (year round mainline to both SLC and MSP and around 8 flights a day minimum), you'd expect them to jump on a route to ATL first.

As it stands, the only mainline destinations that US has out of CLT in the Continental US that Delta does not serve with mainline out of ATL are MDT and ABE - both of which can be called US Airways Strongholds. I think Ottawa is the only other destination out of CLT that US Airways serves with a large RJ that Delta doesn't serve out of ATL with a mainline flight or an RJ with a First Class cabin (there might be some small towns in North Carolina but I'm not sure; Delta does have mainline into Fayetteville, Asheville and Wilmington now on top of the normal Raleigh/Charlotte/Greensboro).
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
As it stands, the only mainline destinations that US has out of CLT in the Continental US that Delta does not serve with mainline out of ATL are MDT and ABE - both of which can be called US Airways Strongholds. I think Ottawa is the only other destination out of CLT that US Airways serves with a large RJ that Delta doesn't serve out of ATL with a mainline flight or an RJ with a First Class cabin (there might be some small towns in North Carolina but I'm not sure; Delta does have mainline into Fayetteville, Asheville and Wilmington now on top of the normal Raleigh/Charlotte/Greensboro).

PGV and EWN are both sometimes served with CR7s, and OAJ is gets a couple of CR7s a day from CLT.

Looking at it now, there are a number of destinations unserved by DL in the South, but served by US at CLT: HHH, LYH, HTS, FLO, PGV, SBY.
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:04 am

The giant wagon in the middle of downtown Spokane will have to sprout wings in order for GEG to get non-stop service to the east coast.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:49 am

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 11):
The giant wagon in the middle of downtown Spokane will have to sprout wings in order for GEG to get non-stop service to the east coast.

Indeed. CLT can't even support PDX year round service....GEG? Come on...
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:09 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 12):

I bet they could support year round, they should operate it with a A319 for the low season
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
Hello.

What are the chances of a little US expansion out of CLT.

Possible routes: GEG,TUS,TUL,OKC,GRR,SNA,SJC

Aircraft: GEG-A319 TUS-A319 TUL CRJ 200 OKC-CRJ 200 maybe 700, GRR CRJ 200,SNA 757 , SJC A320

Just a thought

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GEG highly unlikely...US isnt very big there, and DL doesnt even have an ATL flight.
TUS doubtful, better chance than GEG but as stated before its a quick flight up to PHX and then on so unless there is a high demad from TUS to southeastern markets that would warrant a non stop for one stop connections I dont see that anytime soon.
TUL,OKC,GRR I could definitiely see these all....perhaps with a CR7. OMA and DSM were started this year OMA on the CR7 and DSM on CRJ, and DSM was quickly upgraded to a CR7.
SNA, SJC--possible, I see SNA more than SJC...

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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):

OMA also got upgraded to a CRJ 900
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:17 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
Aircraft: GEG-A319

Spokane is served with 319s by USAirways -- but by West out of PHX.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:18 pm

since we are talking CLT expansion, I would also like to add another question to go along with the OKC, TUL, GRR markets question....does anyone think its possible that US (assuming no merger with AA) could add some more midwestern markets to CLT? Like maybe PIA, MSN, SBN, FWA, CID (I would personally love that), MLI, CMI, SGF etc?? OMA to CLT and DSM recently started and appear to be successful. US also used to have a presence in most of these markets before so they wouldnt be a totally unknown name. Alot of these markets have lost 1-2 airlines (NW and CO) due to mergers it would be nice to have another carrier on the rosters.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 15):

I think it would be a great possibility consider concourse E will be expanded to 50 gates, the concourse B expansion and the new terminal
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:30 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):
SNA, SJC--possible, I see SNA more than SJC...

Possible just on banking business -- given the WF west coast data center in Irvine vs WF east coast headquarters in Charlotte.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 8):
Looking at it now, there are a number of destinations unserved by DL in the South, but served by US at CLT: HHH, LYH, HTS, FLO, PGV, SBY

And all of those, except for PGV and SBY, have been served by DL at some point in the last decade.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 15):
since we are talking CLT expansion, I would also like to add another question to go along with the OKC, TUL, GRR markets question....does anyone think its possible that US (assuming no merger with AA) could add some more midwestern markets to CLT? Like maybe PIA, MSN, SBN, FWA, CID (I would personally love that), MLI, CMI, SGF etc?? OMA to CLT and DSM recently started and appear to be successful.

With the direction the industry is headed, it just doesn't seem likely that US would add long thin routes out of CLT to markets like most of those. In a different day and age, yes. In fact, I'm surprised some of them weren't tried.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 19):
With the direction the industry is headed, it just doesn't seem likely that US would add long thin routes out of CLT to markets like most of those. In a different day and age, yes. In fact, I'm surprised some of them weren't tried.

There are some cities on that list that I wouldn't be shocked eventually getting CLT service (MSN jumps out at me), but I doubt the MLI/SGF/other real tertiary cities getting it at this point without an AA merger. AA merger, then yes - I could see it very well happening as it might be only one RJ to add on to an established station - but for a new station and the 3-4 flights you'd need to make it work, I doubt it.
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:15 pm

US has a pretty bad reputation here in central/upstate NY with flights only to PHL and they have a pretty high delay and cancelation rate. Most of the passengers they carry are heading to southern states and florida, they would certainly be doing themselves a favor if they offered a CLT flight to BGM ITH and ELM.
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 21):
US has a pretty bad reputation here in central/upstate NY with flights only to PHL and they have a pretty high delay and cancelation rate. Most of the passengers they carry are heading to southern states and florida, they would certainly be doing themselves a favor if they offered a CLT flight to BGM ITH and ELM.

The area would stand a better chance of a CLT flight if there were fewer of those small airports up there. They cannibalize each other for traffic and prevent mainline or more distant destinations from being realistic options.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:14 pm

Does anyone think Clt to Btr will see increased frequency or larger aircraft? The flights are always packed or sold out
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 21):
US has a pretty bad reputation here in central/upstate NY with flights only to PHL and they have a pretty high delay and cancelation rate. Most of the passengers they carry are heading to southern states and florida, they would certainly be doing themselves a favor if they offered a CLT flight to BGM ITH and ELM.

I certainly agree with that. I was working with a client in Corning/Elmira and commuted in from D.C. last year. I think I was delayed or cancelled six out of six times into and out of Philly. Just awful.

I'm not sure that those routes could be profitably served out of CLT, though. Much like some of the smaller southeastern destinations would be a reach for PHL.
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:36 pm

Pending the arrival of the A350, anyone think an NRT route from CLT would work?
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 15):
does anyone think its possible that US (assuming no merger with AA) could add some more midwestern markets to CLT? Like maybe PIA, MSN, SBN, FWA, CID (I would personally love that), MLI, CMI, SGF etc??

I'm very surprised that FWA-CLT hasn't started yet, even if only on a CR2 once daily to start. There are too many business ties between the two cities to ignore for much longer. The largest bank in Fort Wayne (Wells Fargo) and the largest insurer (Lincoln Financial) both have a big presence in CLT. In fact, I think post-Wachovia merger Wells Fargo now hubs their FWA operations out of CLT instead of SFO or MSP. The O&D is definitely there, and I think that CLT would also make an attractive alternative to ATL for connections. Lincoln Financial also has a significant presence (and their HQ) in PHL, so I could also see US running FWA-PHL (again, starting with a single daily CR2) for that and better northeastern US/European connections.

I could also see SBN-CLT, but the business ties to CLT aren't as deep in SBN as they are in FWA. Wells Fargo also operates in SBN, but their Indiana market headquarters are in downtown FWA. And I don't think that Lincoln Financial has a presence in SBN.
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):

Yes considering were getting a 12,000 ft runway that will enable flights to the pacific
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting silentbob (Reply 22):
The area would stand a better chance of a CLT flight if there were fewer of those small airports up there. They cannibalize each other for traffic and prevent mainline or more distant destinations from being realistic options.

The problem is that they actually don't really cannibalize one another and each serve their own respective markets... ELM and ITH are the closest but even thats 45-60 minutes and at that distance for the people in ITH may as well drive to SYR.

Over time if they dont add a CLT flight chances are the passengers will simply switch to another airline. From what I understand UA at BGM (4x IAD) has seen steady increases on flat capacity and I'd bet thats in part due to people avoiding US @ PHL.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:10 pm

I'd just settle for getting a couple 2-class a/c back into GSP (presumably from CLT) again. DL stepped it up after WN arrived in town, and just keeps 'em coming. No such response from US.
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:27 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):
anyone think an NRT route from CLT would work?

Yes and No. I'm sure there is traffic between the Carolinas and NRT, and with feed from VA/SC/FL/Caribbean/Latin America/GA/TN/WV, a CLT-NRT flight could probably work. CLT is too far South to be an Asian hub, ATL is no better.

CLT-NRT would probably be the longest US flight out of NRT, but it is certainly doable with a 787 or A350.
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 30):

Defiantly with the A350 since there getting 22
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 30):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):
anyone think an NRT route from CLT would work?

Yes and No. I'm sure there is traffic between the Carolinas and NRT, and with feed from VA/SC/FL/Caribbean/Latin America/GA/TN/WV, a CLT-NRT flight could probably work. CLT is too far South to be an Asian hub, ATL is no better.

In the long-term future of an independent US I could see it, but otherwise I would think we'd see PHL or PHX to NRT before CLT.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 30):
CLT-NRT would probably be the longest US flight out of NRT,

By 22 mi compared with NRT-ATL. But, hey, that's over 100,000 feet! That's worth noting in Chamber of Commerce brochures!

In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if NRT-MIA wasn't operating before NRT-CLT. If an AA-US merger goes through, CLT will most definitely shrink.

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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting neveragain (Reply 33):

CLT won't if a merger happens, it will grow
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 34):
CLT won't if a merger happens, it will grow

I'm sure you hope it does, but, barring a substantial drop in oil prices, I don't think there's much of a chance that CLT will sustain its current levels of air service in a combined US-AA system.

CLT is a pretty conspicuous outlier in having the highest connecting percentage of all hubs in the United States, at more than 85%. The next airport by that measure is ATL, with a historical connecting percentage of approximately 70%. The only other airports to come close to this percentage are STL, PIT, CVG, and MEM, and I'll leave it to you to connect the dots. Moreover, US fills most of the seats going through CLT by competing aggressively for domestic traffic, much of it to Florida. The cost structure of a combined US-AA will not allow the new airline to do so profitably.

It's up for debate as to how much a combined US-AA would shrink in CLT, but if today's economic conditions persist, it will most certainly shrink. And LH will also most likely end service, with a decent chance that such service would be replaced by the return of BA.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 32):
In the long-term future of an independent US I could see it, but otherwise I would think we'd see PHL or PHX to NRT before CLT.

I'll throw my hat back into this ring of NRT speculations. I see PHX as the first one getting service, then maybe PHL with NH or US depending on who stays independent. PHX has been vying for NRT service for a while.
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
GEG,TUS,TUL,OKC,GRR,SNA,SJC

GEG-No
TUS-Possibly on a CR7 or 170/175........2X a day
TUL-Possibly on a CR7 or CR9......2x a day
OKC-Not to sure about this one, they already have AA, DL, WN there. A few flights a day wont make them a big player.
GRR-Used to be a popular city out of PIT back in the day with PSA and the D328. Possibly 2-3 a day on a CR2.
SNA-Don't think so. Passengersr can connect through PHX to get to SNA and i'm not sure the demand is there from CLT.
SJC -Same as SNA, you can get there through PHX, but if it were to happen by some strange reason I see it as a A319.


It all depends if there is opportunity and availiable aircraft. In order to get flights to these cities they may have to cut other flights from other cities. Its a numbers game, always will be.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 37):
TUS-Possibly on a CR7 or 170/175........2X a day

And this is from CLT?!?!? Maybe if range limitations aren't an issue and if US hadn't already tried and failed with a daily A319 for a season.
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 37):
TUS-Possibly on a CR7 or 170/175........2X a day

This would be A319 or nothing - at 1735 miles, it's too long for a CR7 or a 170.

Quoting neveragain (Reply 35):
Moreover, US fills most of the seats going through CLT by competing aggressively for domestic traffic, much of it to Florida. The cost structure of a combined US-AA will not allow the new airline to do so profitably.

Exactly - it does serve a niche in serving some small Southeast cities, but a lot of its traffic is Northeast-Florida or Northeast-West Coast.

A merger with AA would allow a lot of that Northwest-west traffic to flow over ORD rather easily, leaving it to the Florida cities. Given that they'd have a hub in Miami with a merger, and that would make a dent.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 39):

Exactly - it does serve a niche in serving some small Southeast cities, but a lot of its traffic is Northeast-Florida or Northeast-West Coast.

A merger with AA would allow a lot of that Northwest-west traffic to flow over ORD rather easily, leaving it to the Florida cities. Given that they'd have a hub in Miami with a merger, and that would make a dent.

Keep in mind DL is the world's largest hub in ATL covering the SE, and also has MSP and DTW to cover Northeast to West Coast traffic flows but that doesnt seem to hurt ATL. Im sure that CLT would see some sort of right sizing, but the southeast is a growing and important region that is heavily populated. MIA is too far south to be a domestic hub or even as a Florida hub it would require some backtracking.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:22 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 39):
This would be A319 or nothing - at 1735 miles, it's too long for a CR7 or a 170.

My fault I was thinking Tulsa for some reason when I did this. Yeah A CR7 or 170 ain't gonna make it!
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:47 am

I'm gonna throw it out there and say I am kind of confused when people talk about CLT losing service in an AA/US merger, though I may be a little biased because I currently live in CLT.

I'm not starting to make an ATL vs. CLT thread but just here me out.

ATL has a metro population of 5.2 million people. ORD has a population of 9.5 million people. IAD has a population of 5.7 million people. Yet, out of all of those cities, ATL has the smallest population, but largest airport and number of destinations served. I mean ATL has service to some rather exotic destinations, ex...JNB, BSB. You don't see ORD with flights to JNB or BSB. ATL has service to many more destinations in Europe than ORD, even though ORD is closer to Europe and has a larger population. I mean do you think ATL really has a large amount of O/D to TGU or JNB? How about RTB? Most of ATL's INTL flights exist because because of Delta's large connecting hub. Yet people don't say that ATL is overserved like they do say about CLT. CLT's metro population is almost half the size of ATL's, and CLT airservice is even further affected due to the fact that there are three other medium size airports less than a two hour drive from CLT (GSO, CAE, GSP). ATL doesn't have this.

Everyone is talking about these "East-West" flows that will be affected at CLT in an AA/US merger. I don't think any "East-West" flows were affected at ATL in the NW/DL merger...

Remember that US at CLT is the same as DL at ATL, just on a smaller scale.

Something to think about...
E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/77W/319/320/321/333/343
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:20 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 42):
I mean do you think ATL really has a large amount of O/D to TGU or JNB?

Of course it doesn't. But CLT doesn't even have decent O&D to most of the US. CLT is WAY overserved. ATL has more than 14.0 originating passengers. CLT has 3.5m. That's fewer originating passengers than San Antonio and Austin. Why CLT would compare itself with ATL is beyond me.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:51 am

Since when does all new service depend on whether another airline already serves a 'similar' pairing? There are so few airlines i think USAIRWAYS is large enough and with large enough loyal base to jump into some markets where there is competition from nearby ATL and come away with their share. Customers will only begin to benefit again if this happens. Right now things are pretty much rediculous in this country....
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:00 am

Quoting neveragain (Reply 43):
ATL has more than 14.0 originating passengers. CLT has 3.5m.

I'm curious to see where you got this information from..
E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/77W/319/320/321/333/343
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:03 am

Quoting neveragain (Reply 35):
Moreover, US fills most of the seats going through CLT by competing aggressively for domestic traffic, much of it to Florida. The cost structure of a combined US-AA will not allow the new airline to do so profitably.

Too pessimistic. I agree that if US becomes grossly less efficient and less well run than it is today, then CLT and PHL would both be unprofitable. Just as much of AA's network is today.

But that's also true of DL's northern hubs and plenty else too. The fact is CLT and PHL both do well, and rank highly in terms of global hub operations for any carrier. A merger should enhance AA's results rather than harming US's results.

Just to beat a dead horse a little more, the Southeast USA is a massive market with 100m people, many small cities and built-in connection opportunities. It may not be immediately obvious why both CLT and ATL are viable hubs. But, they are-- the market is so big that ATL alone could not possibly satisfy it.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 42):
I don't think any "East-West" flows were affected at ATL in the NW/DL merger...

...at the expense of CVG and MEM, and to a certain extent even MSP and DTW, heck even ATL is still down from it's peak. Mergers are not about 1+1=2, they're not about net growth, and not about taking one carrier's operations and simply combining them with the other. Rather they're about reducing costs and competition as well as taking advantage of synergies. Look at CO/UA as well, I don't see where they're having any meaningful expansion, instead we've seen them make reductions at IAH, CLE, DEN (DEN being haughtily debated of course, but net-net they're still down at DEN) while all other hubs have remained flat more or less.

Obviously CLT would be an important hub in any merger, but you're seriously naive if you don't think there would any "right-sizing" (whether slight or significant) with the addition of new mega-hubs in DFW, MIA, and ORD and overall higher operating costs when compared to those of US now.
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 45):

Quoting neveragain (Reply 43):
ATL has more than 14.0 originating passengers. CLT has 3.5m.

I'm curious to see where you got this information from..

Think he got it from here but he is off by a million (15 million)
http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...anta-Airport-Revenue-Bonds-Outlook

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 47):
heck even ATL is still down from it's peak.

It peaked in landings and takeoffs 994,346 in 2008 down by a little the last few years
But it set a world record in total passengers 92,389,023 in 2011
 
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RE: US Airways CLT Possible Expansion

Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:00 am

Quoting neveragain (Reply 43):
ATL has more than 14.0 originating passengers

So then MCO & LAS are larger than ATL in O&D traffic which proves what?

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