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Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:36 pm

Hello and good day fellow a-netters. I have some questions regarding the fleet of Allegiant Air. Are certain a/c based out of certain hubs?? Do the a/c rotate through the hubs?? I am curious as my parents fly Allegiant a lot and it would cool to know what a/c they flew on and such.

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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:41 pm

I believe allegiant has certain aircraft based at certain hubs/focus cities. For example, they will do a run to the destination and then that plane will return to the hub it came from and then do another run.

I don't believe G4 has many hub-hub routes. And the only time they do is if the demand is there, it's not like they do connections for anything.
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
I don't believe G4 has many hub-hub routes. And the only time they do is if the demand is there, it's not like they do connections for anything.

If I remember correctly, their LAS-AZA service is one way they rotate a/c between the LAS hub and the AZA focus city. They probably will do the same with their services to HNL as they add additional service to mainland destinations.

It used to be that their small MD-87 fleet was primarily dedicated to their charter contract with Caesars Entertainment, but as they removed a/c from service, they replaced them with the other MD-80 family a/c in the fleet. The two they are listed as still having are still dedicated to charter ops.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:10 pm

G4 does not do connections. All aircraft are stationed at various "bases" around the country and fly out then back to the base. Crews get to return home every day as a result, no hotel costs. Exceptions to this are the once weekly HNL-FAT-HNL flight which spends the night in FAT, and the upcoming LAS-Plattsburg-LAS trip which will overnite in PBG twice per week. Crews are told to always take an overnight bag with them however, as maintenance or weather issues could have them spending the night somewhere unplanned.

Below is a list of the bases and the airplanes based there (note that all of the MD-80's are either -87, -82 or -83's, where I say -88 specifies the -83's that have been modified from 150 to 166 seats, the -87 have 130 seats, the -87's and -82's are on the block for retirement and will not have any cabin modifications done to them):

LAX - 2 MD-88's
OAK - 2 MD-88's
BLI - 4 MD-88's
ENV - 1 MD-83
LAS - 16 MD-88's and 4 757's
IWA (AZA) - 8 MD-88's
IFP - 1 MD-87 (base will close at the end of the year, aircraft will be retired)
UTM - 1 MD-87 (base will close at the end of the year, aircraft will be retired)
SFB - 10 aircraft - 6 MD-83's and 4 MD-88's
PIE - 5 MD-83's
FLL - 2 MD-83's
PGD - 1 MD-83

HNL will be opening as a base, not sure of when or how many of the 757's will be based there (2 more will be in the fleet soon)

The 319's that are coming are being advertised as going to be based in IWA and SFB, they will start seeing revenue service beginning March 1, 2013.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
If I remember correctly, their LAS-AZA service is one way they rotate a/c between the LAS hub and the AZA focus city

Another example of this is between AZA and OAK. OAK has limited maintenance resources, so planes are swapped out in AZA on the turn to rotate a plane into OAK that does not have anything scheduled to be done to it. This cannot be done between BLI and OAK as that airplane is BLI based and returns to BLI from OAK. So really, the 2 that are based in OAK are truthfully IWA airplanes that are on loan to OAK until scheduled maintenance work sends them back to AZA.

[Edited 2012-10-07 07:17:33 by srbmod]
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting mark8762 (Reply 3):

Thanks a million for the information.

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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting mark8762 (Reply 3):
IFP - 1 MD-87 (base will close at the end of the year, aircraft will be retired)

Wow, I wonder if another airline will take the place of G4? SY also has a 738 based in IFP, but who knows if they have another aircraft to dedicate to IFP or if the casino contract will be renewed with another airline.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:20 pm

SY's contract is with the Riverside and they may also do some flying for Edgewater and Colorado Belle. G4's contract was solely with Caesar's Entertainment (Harrah's). I believe Republic will replace G4 and fly E170's and E190's.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:43 pm

Re: the MD-87 service....

.... when it comes through MRY it's always on a point-to-point routing to IFP (versus a non-stop, out-and-back routing).

This past Thursday it was IFP-SMF-MRY-FAT-IFP:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...3/history/20121004/2330Z/KIFP/KSMF
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20121005/0135Z/KSMF/KMRY
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20121005/0300Z/KMRY/KFAT
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20121005/0415Z/KFAT/KIFP

Other times I've seen SCK-MRY-FAT-IFP.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:12 pm

I'm not sure if it was because of the winds or something else entirely, but LAS has been routing north/northeast and east departures off of runways 1 and 19 for the last several days. As such, I finally got to see my first 757 in Allegiant colors taking off toward the northeast (not sure where it was headed) on Friday 10/6/2012. The 757 looks mighty sharp in the Allegiant colors.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:34 pm

Quoting lasairlinerenth (Reply 8):
(not sure where it was headed)

Honolulu would be the logical guess, I was under the impression that all 8 757's are based at KHNL and just ply the mainland routes for G4.
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:02 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
I was under the impression that all 8 757's are based at KHNL

Whoa-- now G4 has EIGHT 757s? I thought they only had six?

I need to do a better job of keeping up, eh?



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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:44 am

Re: 757-200's

They own six and four are in service.

Can anyone tell me which MD83 a/c operated the flight to KELM today??

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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:13 am

BLI has only one less than PIE? I didnt realize BLI was a focus city. How many flights per week does BLI have vs PIE?
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:37 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):

Sorry, I don't want to nitpick but it's actually PHNL, Not KHNL. Same with ANC.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:16 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):

Awesome. I had forgotten that Allegiant had started serving HNL from LAS already.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:28 pm

The 757's also go to BLI and MFE from LAS. Currently all 4 757's are based in LAS, the HNL base has not yet opened and the next 2 757's are still in Europe, not sure when they are due to arrive into the G4 fleet.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:09 pm

Flying through LAX a couple of weeks ago, it must have been their two MD's based there that were parked over near the former AA maintenance hangar / behind TBIT. Reminded me of all their planes you see parked at LAS.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting mark8762 (Reply 6):
I believe Republic will replace G4 and fly E170's and E190's.

Interesting, thanks for the update. That is quite the downgrade in capacity from the MD87's.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
Can anyone tell me which MD83 a/c operated the flight to KELM today??

It was an -83, although it appears it has been an -88 on a lot of the Thursday flights lately.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY738

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
How many flights per week does BLI have vs PIE?

BLI shows the following:

HNL 2x weekly (starts November 11)
OGG 2x weekly (starts November 11)
LAX 2x weekly
SAN 2x weekly
PSP 4x weekly
IWA 4x weekly
OAK 4x weekly
LAS is 1x daily on off-peak days, but is any where from 2 - 4x daily (!) on Thursday, Friday, Sunday, and Monday it appears.

Total: 35 weekly flights for the week of November 11 (LAS accounts for 15 of those flights).

PIE shows the following:

ABE 2x weekly
BGR 2x weekly
CID 2x weekly
CHA 2x weekly
DSM 2x weekly
FWA 2x weekly
GRR 2x weekly
GSO 2x weekly
GSP 2x weekly
MDT 2x weekly
HTS 2x weekly
TYS 2x weekly
LEX 2x weekly
MLI 2x weekly
IAG 2x weekly
PIA 2x weekly
PBG 2x weekly
ROA 2x weekly
RFD 2x weekly
SBN 2x weekly
SGF 2x weekly
TOL 2x weekly
TRI 2x weekly
YNG 2x weekly

Total: 48 weekly for the week of November 11.

Also worth noting G4 has many extra segments out of both stations around Thanksgiving and Christmas.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting lasairlinerenth (Reply 8):
I'm not sure if it was because of the winds or something else entirely, but LAS has been routing north/northeast and east departures off of runways 1 and 19 for the last several days. As such, I finally got to see my first 757 in Allegiant colors taking off toward the northeast (not sure where it was headed) on Friday 10/6/2012. The 757 looks mighty sharp in the Allegiant colors.

You can see a G4 757 at LAS any time you want... http://youtu.be/waxlNW9FEXI
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 18):

Awesomeness!!! Thanks for the video link.  
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
Sorry, I don't want to nitpick but it's actually PHNL, Not KHNL. Same with ANC

I added 2 757's to G4's fleet as well in an earlier response, why not a K instead of a P. It's all good, I'm just going back to using the regular, plain ol, 3 letter code to denote an airport, since I'm obviously not as proficient as others, but thanks for the correct I'll most likely not forget what you stated.

It is interesting how many people will tell you when you made a mistake, but never comment when one is correct. Human nature, I know, just not my thing I guess. Not meant towards you personally at all, just an observation in general.
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:29 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 17):

It was an -83, although it appears it has been an -88 on a lot of the Thursday flights lately.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY738

I appreciate the information sir.

Quoting mark8762 (Reply 3):

How come your information does match up to this as provided by airfleets.net

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Allegiant%20Air.htm

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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:44 am

PIE shows the following:

ABE 2x weekly
BGR 2x weekly
CID 2x weekly
CHA 2x weekly
DSM 2x weekly
FWA 2x weekly
GRR 2x weekly
GSO 2x weekly
GSP 2x weekly
MDT 2x weekly
HTS 2x weekly
TYS 2x weekly
LEX 2x weekly
MLI 2x weekly
IAG 2x weekly
PIA 2x weekly
PBG 2x weekly
ROA 2x weekly
RFD 2x weekly
SBN 2x weekly
SGF 2x weekly
TOL 2x weekly
TRI 2x weekly
YNG 2x weekly




When did they stop the HGR service?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:48 am

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 22):
When did they stop the HGR service?

My bad, some how I missed HGR, it is 2x weekly as well.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):

I know it's not personal, I have the same thoughts as you, but I just like to see accuracy. Trust me I make mistakes on here all the time so I'm DEFINITELY not making fun of you or trying to be a jerk. Amd just because you made a mistake doesn't mean your not profecient, you just got confused on one little letter of one little code, which, in my opinion would make sense the way you did it. Don't feel bad, we all get a little confused sometimes.  
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 21):
How come your information does match up to this as provided by airfleets.net

I have noticed airfleets shows several of our airplanes as being "stored" when they are not. I have sent them numerous requests to update this, but they have not.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting mark8762 (Reply 25):

I have noticed airfleets shows several of our airplanes as being "stored" when they are not. I have sent them numerous requests to update this, but they have not.

atdb.org has the MD-80's in service as numbering 48-----very reliable (but not free) source.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:40 pm

Has G4 gotten their hands on an Airbus yet? I would think they would need to start training crews for a 2013 start.
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:40 pm

Just to make the fleet discussion more interesting (or confusing), this is the fleet plan G4 showed investors in a presentation last month (all numbers are as of end of the year shown):

MDs: 2012 = 58; 2013 = 56; 2014 = 56; 2015 = 56
757s: 2012 = 4; 2013 = 6; 2014 = 6; 2015 = 6
A319s: 2012 = 0; 2013 = 6; 2014 = 13; 2015 = 19
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:47 pm

Where are the 319's coming from?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting mcg (Reply 29):
Where are the 319's coming from?

GECAS and Cebu Pacific, although I dont remember the break down. The first 6 that are showing for next year are GECAS (ex EasyJet). The crews are in training now on simulators until the airplanes have been certified by FAA to enter the G4 fleet.

The fleet numbers given investors include frames parked in the desert for parts. The number I originally gave are active frames based at the various bases. There are some additional frames active but are not included in the base figures as they are rotated into and out of the fleet for scheduled maintenance. The numbers at each base are what is assigned there as minimum numbers to run the schedule.

There are times when activity in UTM or IFP requires an additional aircraft to cover the needs of the operator, in whch case an aircraft from SFB or LAS will be used respectively.

[Edited 2012-10-09 11:24:12]
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:33 pm

Thanks for the info. Are crews looking forward to the transition to Airbus equipment?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air Fleet Questions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:09 pm

Do you think Allegiant will use the A319 to operate a SFB-LAS route.

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