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AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:49 am

Normally this wouldn't be very newsworthy as these things happen quite often but in light of AA's continuing problems with maintenance delays and other issues, I thought I'd post this photo. This is the last thing they need.
AA 757 at LIH


I'm not positive which flight this is, but I believe that it is AA 266 from LIH to LAX. It was scheduled to depart at 1315 local and is now estimated to depart at 0300 tomorrow.

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[Edited 2012-10-07 17:52:20]
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:11 am

Ok, at this point I'm starting to feel kidna bad for AA. With all their previous maintenance issues, I hope this was an accidental deployment by a crewmember and not a maintenance issue (I don't know what kind of maintenance issue could cause an accidental deployment of the slide, but there probably is one).
 
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:16 am

My taxi speed and time at both LAX and FLL yesterday on AA was ridiculously slow. We arrived a good 20mins late because of it even when the pilot let us know we were expecting to arrive 5mins early. Walking out of the plane they just looked like they did not want to be there. Just. mean uninterested facial expression. Its pathetic and immature. They are only hurting themselves.

I certainly do hope it was a random issue and not something done purposely. Sadly these days that is the first thing that comes to mind.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):


I certainly do hope it was a random issue and not something done purposely. Sadly these days that is the first thing that comes to mind.

You can't be serious. Don't be so shallow! Slides are blown wrongly from time to time and it is always an accident (or deliberate by a passenger who couldn't control themselves).
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:29 am

Anyone got any info why it was deployed? I don't see emergency vehicles around the plane.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Anyone got any info why it was deployed? I don't see emergency vehicles around the plane.


If it had been any sort of emergency, there would be multiple slides deployed. I suspect an accidental deployment.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 5):
I suspect an accidental deployment.

It's tough to tell from the picture, but even the window exits at the top of the slide do not appear to be open. L3 is definitely closed.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:57 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 3):
lides are blown wrongly from time to time and it is always an accident

It happened with Northwest years ago, when their planes were still wearing the bowling shoe scheme. I believe it was an A320.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:02 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
but even the window exits at the top of the slide do not appear to be open


True. All it takes is for the handle on the over-wing exit to be rotated down to start the deploy sequence. Once the "whooshing " sound starts, and they realize what they had just done, they probably pushed the exit back in place hoping it would stop.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:13 am

Bad timing for AA for sure, I hope this incident is never made into something it's not, nor overlooked for what it is.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:25 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):
My taxi speed and time at both LAX and FLL yesterday on AA was ridiculously slow. We arrived a good 20mins late because of it even when the pilot let us know we were expecting to arrive 5mins early. Walking out of the plane they just looked like they did not want to be there. Just. mean uninterested facial expression. Its pathetic and immature. They are only hurting themselves.

Unless you are in the cockpit and know what the conditions and traffic are like, all you are doing is imposing your own feelings on the crew. You do not know what they are feeling or thinking.

I say this because I just returned from recurrent simulator training in Miami, and jumpseated on AA, DL, and AS getting to & from there. The AA crews (I was in the cockpit for both of those flights) were kind, professional, and did NOT do anything to slow the normal operations. I had a long talk with both crews, and they are as upset as the passengers at the mechanical problems facing the company. The pilot sick rate for the last month had not changed from the same month the previous year. Pilots are not 'calling in sick' to hurt the company. Sure, they all wish the airline was doing better, and that they had better conditions & pay. But the troubles AA is going through right now is not caused by the employees. They are working as hard as they can to give excellent customer service.

The conditions at LAX are miserable for anyone flying there now, with the construction work on one of the south runways blocking off a lot of the access routes to the ramp. It was a real pain trying to get in and out of there this afternoon, with all traffic going slower than normal.

And as for the 'mean uninterested facial expressions', all I can say is grow up, and stop believing everything you read on the Internet gossip sites. Your're just imposing your pre-disposed opinion on them without knowing what is really going on. The employees of AA do care, and they are doing a good job.

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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:03 am

The slide deployed is an overwing slide, which are always armed. The only way to deploy one is to open the emergency exit window. It's not at a door. My guess is there was some kind of malfunction. As for the extended delay, that's curious too as a/c can fly with an inoperative exit slide. Perhaps there weren't maintenance personnel available to remove the slide.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:15 am

LIH is not an AA maintenance station. They use on call/contract maintenance.

For bigger issues they need to fly in folks and parts.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:24 am

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 11):
As for the extended delay, that's curious too as a/c can fly with an inoperative exit slide.

MEL: Any or all may be inoperative or missing provided flight remains within 50 nm from land.

I suspect that is a bit difficult to do considering the plane is at LIH.   
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:51 am

AAR90, are you sure that MEL quote is not specifically referring to slide-rafts?

The overwing slide is not a slide-raft. Hard to believe that an aircraft could be dispatched with NO slides operative. Easier to accept if rafts (either slide-raft or in-ceiling raft) were inop and flight flew close to land, no?

I believe aircraft can be flown with a designated number of in-op/missing slides, but there may be seating restrictions, such as nobody seated within x number of rows of the inop exit, or just an overall total passenger count reduction.
 
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:51 am

Would this a/c be N609AA / 5ED? I was on traveling on 5ED on both AA 265 KLAX - PHLI (9/26), which also operated AA 266 PHLI - KLAX on 10/4 and I'd noticed a silver safety seal near one of the exits on that side of the a/c, but this was the forward most over wing exit. I'm sure that this is probably normal to see, but it caught my eye, nonetheless. It would be very interesting to know if 265/266 was operated by 5ED the day of this incident.

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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 7):
It happened with Northwest years ago, when their planes were still wearing the bowling shoe scheme. I believe it was an A320.

It has happened to every airline years ago.
 
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 5):
If it had been any sort of emergency, there would be multiple slides deployed. I suspect an accidental deployment.

Looks likely the case.....Shouldn't there be an MEL option if the seating capacity of the flight is reduced.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:45 pm

How likely is it someones bag could get caught on the handle as they stow it under the seat and deploy a slide by mistake. while boarding if the turn was tight and people rushing to put stuff away to keep the flight on time
 
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting crapper1 (Reply 18):

I think that is very unlikely as the handle to open the widow is (1) way above the bottom of the seat, and (2) has a cover to sort of prevent people from inadvertently pulling on it.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19):
I think that is very unlikely as the handle to open the widow is (1) way above the bottom of the seat, and (2) has a cover to sort of prevent people from inadvertently pulling on it

Maybe to open the widow, But to open the exit door the handle is on the top of the door above the window.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:11 pm

I would suspect AA uses United line MX there like everyone else does for ETOPS checks...
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:28 pm

According to AA's website, flight AA266 from LIH to LAX did not leave at 0300 this morning. It was cancelled.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 14):
AAR90, are you sure that MEL quote is not specifically referring to slide-rafts?

Yes, it was specific to slide-rafts; however, that was as close as I could come to ANY slide being MEL legal.

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 14):
I believe aircraft can be flown with a designated number of in-op/missing slides, but there may be seating restrictions, such as nobody seated within x number of rows of the inop exit, or just an overall total passenger count reduction.

Apparently AA does not allow ANY slide to be inoperative EXCEPT slide-rafts --due to capacity limits as a floatation device. Neither the 757 nor 737 MEL's list exit slides (didn't check other acft); therefore, they MUST be operable for every departure.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 20):
Maybe to open the widow, But to open the exit door the handle is on the top of the door above the window.

That's what we're saying...the window handle is at the top. There is no "exit door handle." One handle activated to remove window. Slide pack is deployed. Manual inflation handle is in the lower forward corner *inside* the sill. It can't inadvertently be deployed like a door can.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:05 pm

It is not a window, it is an emergency exit hatch of which the window is part of the hatch assembly.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 25):

It is not a window, it is an emergency exit hatch of which the window is part of the hatch assembly.

No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a 4 door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with 6 doors, the L3 slide is straight and doesn't go near the wing.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
LIH is not an AA maintenance station. They use on call/contract maintenance.

For bigger issues they need to fly in folks and parts.

Regardless, AA must have some maintenance staff in HNL who could hop over to assist UA staff if they indeed use them.

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 23):
Apparently AA does not allow ANY slide to be inoperative EXCEPT slide-rafts --due to capacity limits as a floatation device. Neither the 757 nor 737 MEL's list exit slides (didn't check other acft); therefore, they MUST be operable for every departure.

It seems hard to imagine that AA would dispatch an aircraft on an ETOPS (or even over ground) mission without functioning overwing slide-rafts. There's just too much risk if something happens.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting B727FA (Reply 26):
Quoting yeelep (Reply 25):

It is not a window, it is an emergency exit hatch of which the window is part of the hatch assembly.

No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a 4 door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with 6 doors, the L3 slide is straight and doesn't go near the wing.

I am talking about the overwing exits, they are not windows. Again they are termed "emergency exit hatch" by Boeing. You are using the incorrect terminology.
 
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:24 pm

Well, they just cancelled the flight so I guess it's a bit more complex of a fix?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL266
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:28 pm

The only reason anyone would have to open an overwing door other than in an emergency would be to replace the window shade. Since LIH is a contract maintenance station for AA we can check that one off as not being a reason since AA would never schedule a job like that for LIH.

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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 28):
I am talking about the overwing exits, they are not windows. Again they are termed "emergency exit hatch" by Boeing. You are using the incorrect terminology.

Semantics. We all know what an emergency exit window is, whether they're called a window or a hatch. In fact, they're even referenced as such many times in safety manuals and briefing cards. They are interchangeable terms.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 27):
It seems hard to imagine that AA would dispatch an aircraft on an ETOPS (or even over ground) mission without functioning overwing slide-rafts. There's just too much risk if something happens.

The overwing exits (window exits) are equipped with slides only, not slide/life rafts. The overwing exit slide is completely useless in a ditching, and in fact, overwing exits on the 757 are only to be used if the other exits are unusable. And even still, you wouldn't use the slide there even if you used that exit. This a/c is equipped with six slide/life rafts, two slides and three additional rafts. This a/c is also certified to evacuate in under 30 seconds using only only half the exits.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 26):
No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a 4 door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with 6 doors, the L3 slide is straight and doesn't go near the wing.

All of AA's 757s have the same exit configuration: six exit doors and four over wing (window) exits. 757s have either six or eight doors, depending on configuration, but never four.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 27):
Regardless, AA must have some maintenance staff in HNL who could hop over to assist UA staff if they indeed use them.

At small airports, typically AA or any other airline would have zero maintenance staff based there. They have a contract with another airline or contract company at the station to cover anything that needs to be done. It wouldn't surprise me if they use UA which has maintenance staff on the islands and a significant base in HNL.

At small airports, the only things that have to be handled are typically deferrals. Airlines try to prevent any other line items done like tire replacements, etc from being done outside main maintenance airports.

You'd be surprised at how few airports each airline has maintenance staff at. They have really cut into maintenance. Airlines serving airports with less than a dozen flights rarely have full time maintenance staff in the United States.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 27):

It seems hard to imagine that AA would dispatch an aircraft on an ETOPS (or even over ground) mission without functioning overwing slide-rafts. There's just too much risk if something happens.

It's also illegal. If there's no MEL (Minimum equipment list) deferral available, then it must be working.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 27):
Regardless, AA must have some maintenance staff in HNL who could hop over to assist UA staff if they indeed use them.

AA has no maintenance personel on any of the islands.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:49 pm

Quoting HAL (Reply 10):
Unless you are in the cockpit and know what the conditions and traffic are like, all you are doing is imposing your own feelings on the crew. You do not know what they are feeling or thinking...

...The pilot sick rate for the last month had not changed from the same month the previous year...

...And as for the 'mean uninterested facial expressions', all I can say is grow up, and stop believing everything you read on the Internet gossip sites. Your're just imposing your pre-disposed opinion on them without knowing what is really going on. The employees of AA do care, and they are doing a good job.

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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 32):
It's also illegal. If there's no MEL (Minimum equipment list) deferral available, then it must be working.

If the HA staff at LIH could not fix the problem, could the aircraft be legally ferried to HNL (which might involve straying more than 50nm from land) with only crew aboard?
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 32):
At small airports, the only things that have to be handled are typically deferrals. Airlines try to prevent any other line items done like tire replacements, etc from being done outside main maintenance airports.

I got stuck for almost 5 hours in Melbourne, FL once because the part to fix the plane had to fly from Atlanta, to Orlando, where it met the mechanics ... and the part + the mechanics then traveled to Melbourne via company pickup truck.

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Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:10 am

I'm unconvinced that all of these recent incidents are accidents. All of my recent AA flights have been delayed. My brother's flights RIC-DFW-LAS and back were all significantly delayed. They were delayed to the point where the gate agents' statements were farcical. Until AA gets their act together, I'll pay more to fly someone else.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting Litz (Reply 36):

I sent you an IM regarding this.

I would guess a FAA wavier would need to be obtained in order to ferry the plane out to HNL because of the MEL related issue where it can be fixed. Can you confrim this AAR90??

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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:31 am

I'm sure some of the employees are disgruntled at what is going on. A lose seat here and a slow taxi there only adds to the problems. Not everyone in a situation like this is always going to give 100%, you are always going to have, no matter the size of the group, those that purposley do things to cause a disruption. Its those people who give the rest of the hard working people a bad name, guilty by association.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:04 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 38):
I would guess a FAA wavier would need to be obtained in order to ferry the plane out to HNL because of the MEL related issue where it can be fixed. Can you confrim this AAR90??

AA OpSpec lists certain specific individuals at AA who have FAA authorization to permit such ferry flights under FAR-91. In those situations, the minimum slide/raft required is one+one. One slide (nearest the cockpit) and one raft (nearest the exit slide) or a slide/raft combination. If working F/A's aboard, they must be seated closest to the exit with the armed/operating slide. No other non-working persons permitted.

A special "spotting message" is required to be carried aboard (or at least it used to be). I don't have the OpSpec reference, but have flown many such flights.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 38):

As AAR90 mentioned you do not even need to contact the FAA for a ferry flight approval. The airline I worked for had a section in the flight operations manual that spelled out the steps needed to ferry the plane. If I remember correctly a management pilot, the on duty maintenance controller and the mechanic signing off the log book would sign the ferry flight permit that stated why the plane was being ferried, the planned route and any special conditions needed. The permit would be stapled to the log book page the flight was conducted on. I've ferried 60 plus aircraft in my career and never once was required to contact the FAA.

My thought would be they will just fly in a new slide and mechanics to fix it. Much cheaper then ferrying it out.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:15 am

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 40):
A special "spotting message" is required to be carried aboard (or at least it used to be). I don't have the OpSpec reference, but have flown many such flights.

What is a "spotting message"?
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42):
What is a "spotting message"?

An internal official communications from Maintenance Operations Control (MOC) authorizing a ferry flight for an aircraft that will not meet normal dispatch requirements. In this instance, a plane with an inoperative escape slide. The spotting message will include limits/requirements to be followed (i.e. "working crew only") as well as any special instructions to the dispatcher/crew (i.e. slide closest to cockpit must be armed, etc.).

Without a spotting message, no AA dispatcher will even begin the flight planning process.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 31):

Quoting yeelep (Reply 28):
I am talking about the overwing exits, they are not windows. Again they are termed "emergency exit hatch" by Boeing. You are using the incorrect terminology.

Semantics. We all know what an emergency exit window is, whether they're called a window or a hatch. In fact, they're even referenced as such many times in safety manuals and briefing cards. They are interchangeable terms.

Thank you for the back up...I'm glad you know what I mean. The L/R3 door/hatch (like on the ex-TWA birds) is equip with a slide, but not a slide raft. And the window/hatch is also only a slide and not a raft.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 31):
Quoting B727FA (Reply 26):
No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a 4 door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with 6 doors, the L3 slide is straight and doesn't go near the wing.

All of AA's 757s have the same exit configuration: six exit doors and four over wing (window) exits. 757s have either six or eight doors, depending on configuration, but never four.

Oops! My bad. You are 100% correct. I realize there are no 4 door versions, I was typing quickly and missed the "6" in this case and typed "4." Then throw in our -300 with 8 & 4! LOL.

Thanks for not biting my head off for my typo!

For REF:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 26):
No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a 4 door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with 6 doors, the L3 slide is straight and doesn't go near the wing.

I would like to edit my post to reflect the ACTUAL numbers I should have been using:

"No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a **6** door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with **8** doors, the L3 slide is straight and doesn't go near the wing.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:52 am

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 43):
An internal official communications from Maintenance Operations Control (MOC) authorizing a ferry flight for an aircraft that will not meet normal dispatch requirements. In this instance, a plane with an inoperative escape slide. The spotting message will include limits/requirements to be followed (i.e. "working crew only") as well as any special instructions to the dispatcher/crew (i.e. slide closest to cockpit must be armed, etc.).

Without a spotting message, no AA dispatcher will even begin the flight planning process.

My guess is they flew in the part and the manpower to get the aircraft back in service for a revenue flight.
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RE: AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC

Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:12 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 38):
Quoting Litz (Reply 36):


I sent you an IM regarding this.

I would guess a FAA wavier would need to be obtained in order to ferry the plane out to HNL because of the MEL related issue where it can be fixed. Can you confrim this AAR90??

KH
Quoting AAR90 (Reply 40):
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 38):
I would guess a FAA wavier would need to be obtained in order to ferry the plane out to HNL because of the MEL related issue where it can be fixed. Can you confrim this AAR90??

AA OpSpec lists certain specific individuals at AA who have FAA authorization to permit such ferry flights under FAR-91. In those situations, the minimum slide/raft required is one+one. One slide (nearest the cockpit) and one raft (nearest the exit slide) or a slide/raft combination. If working F/A's aboard, they must be seated closest to the exit with the armed/operating slide. No other non-working persons permitted.

A special "spotting message" is required to be carried aboard (or at least it used to be). I don't have the OpSpec reference, but have flown many such flights.

AAR90 is spot on....no pun intended....The MOD of MOC/SOC has the authority to issue a ferry permit. It is a delegated function as part of the 121 OpSpec. The FAA is meerly notified. We do a lot of these everyday. There is a checklist that goes with the process to ensure everything is done.

A line crew can perform the ferry flight unless the spotting message says otherwise.

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