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Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:04 pm

QR joins oneworld, official now.

According to QRs twitter and facebook page, Qatar Airways has been invited to Join the oneworld alliance







[Edited 2012-10-08 11:15:06]
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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:07 pm

Wonderful news! How long until they're able to fully integrate and become an official member?
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:16 pm

It will be funny to see AB on this. Will they codeshare with QR to BER?  

Which are the largest OW hubs not served yet by QR?

What about AY... their OW Euro-Asian routes will have a new big competitor at OW.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:21 pm

Great news for Oneworld!
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
Which are the largest OW hubs not served yet by QR?

DFW, LAX, SYD, HEL. All of which could possibly come online in the next few years.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:22 pm

Just visited the OW site for the first time in a while. In the middle of the page, under "Find out about" there is a rather humorous link (well, unintentionally humorous) link: "How can I join oneworld"? Maybe it just took al Baker a while to find this link . . .
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
It will be funny to see AB on this. Will they codeshare with QR to BER?

As if the webs weren't tangled enough, Etihad announced a multi-lateral codeshare with Air France, KLM and airberlin today.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 3):
DFW, LAX, SYD, HEL. All of which could possibly come online in the next few years.

MIA as well.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:28 pm

Here is the press release. BA will sponsor QR to join oneworld

QR to join >

[Edited 2012-10-08 11:30:04]
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 4):
DFW, LAX, SYD, HEL. All of which could possibly come online in the next few years.

Yes please. Qatar to DFW would be just about perfect for me.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 4):
DFW, LAX, SYD, HEL. All of which could possibly come online in the next few years.

I wonder if SYD will be a OW hub for much longer!

Quoting neveragain (Reply 5):

Visited it early today and I also noticed it... quite funny.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 6):

Interestingly, BA is sponsoring QR on OW. So things are getting funny:

QR (OW) + BA (OW)

EK (unaligned) + QF (OW)

EY (unaligned) + AFKL/AZ (ST) + AB (OW).
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:36 pm

Is this move the first domino to fall for Gulf Carriers entering alliances? EY to Skyteam next?
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
Yes please. Qatar to DFW would be just about perfect for me.

Wonder if IAH would be in danger of losing QR, if they should decide to service DFW?
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):
Wonder if IAH would be in danger of losing QR, if they should decide to service DFW?

I dont see why they couldnt serve both if they deem DFW worthy of service. It all depends on how closely AA and QR work together. If they arent close, DFW may not see service.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:00 pm

Congrats to OW and QR. With the implosion of IT, this will help fill a regional hold for OneWorld which should boost QR's revenue nicely.

Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?   

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 6):
MIA as well.

This alliance will help QR in the Americas... Tremendously. MIA should be an early 787 destination.

Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
BA will sponsor QR to join oneworld

   Ok, not that unexpected, but it is funny how things change.

Quoting DeltaLaw (Reply 10):
Is this move the first domino to fall for Gulf Carriers entering alliances? EY to Skyteam next?

As long as everyone realizes the domino will miss EK. Skyteam already has MEA and Saudia. I'm not sure the attraction for EY... *A should court EY.   

Actually, only OW was really weak in the region as *A has TK. If 9W joins *A, it would nicely 'sandwich' the region. However, if EY's potential investment keeps QR out of *A (or the GoI), than it would be 'game on' for *A.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
I dont see why they couldnt serve both if they deem DFW worthy of service.

Ditto. IAH might lose the 77L and be swapped with the 788, but I see no reason not to serve both.

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:01 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Ok, not that unexpected, but it is funny how things change.

I dont think it was unexpected. Its been the worst kept secret now for at least 2 months!
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
What about AY... their OW Euro-Asian routes will have a new big competitor at OW.

They surely won't be happy about this...

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
So things are getting funny:

QR (OW) + BA (OW)

EK (unaligned) + QF (OW)

EY (unaligned) + AFKL/AZ (ST) + AB (OW).

I'd say it's getting hilarious.   Interesting developments and strategy shifts going on, with no place left for loyalty or "historic" ties. One wonders what level of cooperation, if any, exists within OW, what the role or purpose of AB and QF still is, and how long they will remain in the alliance.

In the end though, the various OW members have applied a join-them-if-you-can't-beat-em strategy (IMO not coordinated with each other) and have now managed to directly or indirectly link up with all three Middle East carriers.     
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
I dont see why they couldnt serve both if they deem DFW worthy of service. It all depends on how closely AA and QR work together. If they arent close, DFW may not see service.

Isn't QR joining OW for BA and AA's FFlyer members. Otherwise what is their need? Makes sense to closely align with BA/AA and get the feeds. Isn't QF's move to DFW is paying dividents for them?
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Ditto. IAH might lose the 77L and be swapped with the 788, but I see no reason not to serve both.

Lightsaber

Hi...I do not believe that IAH will become a B788 route because QR's B788s seat only 22J class whilst the B77L seats 42 and this is a premium heavy route averaging more than 22 pax in J class per flight year round.

What I do for see happening is IAD eventually becoming a B788 service due to the lack of beyond feed lost with the suspension of the UA intra-USA code share.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):
Wonder if IAH would be in danger of losing QR, if they should decide to service DFW?

QR serves IAH largely due to the Oil and Gas industry, not so much due to alliances or hub connections.

The one market I would actually question now in QR's US network is IAD, considering that now UA has entered the IADDOH space via DXB as well as ended its codeshare agreement with UA. However, it's rare that you hear of a Middle Eastern/Big Three carrier pulling out of a network route, so I don't expect this flight to be endangered.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
  Ok, not that unexpected, but it is funny how things change.

Actually, it's a game-changer for sure broadly speaking in terms of how global alliances operate, but of the three major ones, IAG and Oneworld have probably been the least vocal about any dismissive attitudes towards the Middle Eastern carriers. Lufthansa/Air Canada and Star have probably shown the greatest amount of distaste, and SkyTeam minimally through AF-KL. In fact, I'd venture to say that the AF-KL multi-lateral codeshare deal with EY and AB today is more surprising than IAG/OW/QR.

Quoting DeltaLaw (Reply 10):

Is this move the first domino to fall for Gulf Carriers entering alliances? EY to Skyteam next?
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
As long as everyone realizes the domino will miss EK. Skyteam already has MEA and Saudia. I'm not sure the attraction for EY... *A should court EY.   

Actually, only OW was really weak in the region as *A has TK. If 9W joins *A, it would nicely 'sandwich' the region. However, if EY's potential investment keeps QR out of *A (or the GoI), than it would be 'game on' for *A.

Nahh. I don't think that EY will feel pressured to go towards any alliance anytime soon. They're quite happy chilling where they are, forming partnerships and agreements with a multitude of different carriers. They would have to relinquish all of that if they were to move into an alliance, which I don't think they're too comfortable with. They'd rather be the center in their own universe.

EK is large and powerful enough to stand on its own rather than join an alliance.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?   

Wait, wha?
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
What about AY... their OW Euro-Asian routes will have a new big competitor at OW.

I believe AY is pleased to get QR inside OW, keep your enemy close  
Quoting ojas (Reply 4):
DFW, LAX, SYD, HEL. All of which could possibly come online in the next few years.

HEL has been among their "further route launches" for quite some time, perhaps something materialize now. Or we'll only see code shares with AY...
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?

Or at least AA for their recent performance.   

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:55 pm

Looks like I proved all those naysayers wrong when people pounced on my post a couple weeks ago saying they wouldn't join OneWorld. Ha
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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?

Wait, wha?

Al Baker is NOTORIOUS for making negative comments (I shouldn't have used the American slang of 'blast') towards his vendors. So, why wouldn't he make bad comments on OW.  
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):

He's actually smiling in that photo. I didn't think he had the "rizus" muscle!

   Agreed.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18):
I don't think that EY will feel pressured to go towards any alliance anytime soon.

Agreed. But there is a difference between 'pressure' and courted. I think EY will go on their own.

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:20 pm

Funny that QR put Qantas first when mentioning their new oneworld partners on facebook...
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:22 pm

I said it on the other thread and ill say it again, this mess is getting crazy. So you have QR who does not like EK but EK code shares with QR's alliance partner QF. EY which doesn't like QR is partnered with QR's alliance partner AB which wants to partner with AF, who doesn't like AA/IAG. Not to mention CX or AY must not like the ME carriers. This is just getting way too interesting...
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 24):
I said it on the other thread and ill say it again, this mess is getting crazy.



No argument there. OneWorld has the whole promiscuous, open marriage thing going on with its members. I suppose that can be a good and a bad thing.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 24):

I said it on the other thread and ill say it again, this mess is getting crazy. So you have QR who does not like EK but EK code shares with QR's alliance partner QF. EY which doesn't like QR is partnered with QR's alliance partner AB which wants to partner with AF, who doesn't like AA/IAG. Not to mention CX or AY must not like the ME carriers. This is just getting way too interesting...

The next step is for the world to implode...

I was hoping it would be EK in OW because of the QF partnership. Since QR is now OW, what will happen to said EK/OF tie-up? Could QF ditch OW and move to Star, and EK follow suit? Since Virgin Australia is in bed with DL, I could see them going to Skyteam if the time comes. QF is just a mess too me. And then the whole ET/AB/AF/KL thing. Is there going to be alliance hopping soon???
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 24):

Gives you a lot of choices... If you like travelling to the Middle East, it'd be wise to either get a QF FF and make the most of both EK and QR or an AB FF and use EY and QR with the possible added benefit of AF/KL... And somehow Srilankan and RJ are supposed to fit in there!
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:33 pm

Good news for Oneworld! Nice to see the addition of a Middle-Eastern Airline. Does this mean Qatar will move from T4 to T3 at London Heathrow?

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 24):
I said it on the other thread and ill say it again, this mess is getting crazy.

The conspiracy theorist in me would argue that It's all part of the three Gulf carriers' overall scheme to undermine the three traditional alliances....and these traditional legacy carriers are lapping it up...walking straight into the trap....
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting GCPET (Reply 28):
Does this mean Qatar will move from T4 to T3 at London Heathrow?

After all the money they just invested in the new lounge in T4 I would seriously doubt it!
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:39 pm

Wonder how this will affect Royal Jordanian!
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):
Wonder if IAH would be in danger of losing QR, if they should decide to service DFW?

I think Emirates has shown a Middle East carrier can serve both successfully.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 17):
this is a premium heavy route averaging more than 22 pax in J class per flight year round.

Just by looking at the bags coming off the belt before customs, I can tell you there are quite a few passengers connecting to other cities in close vicinity to IAH (AUS, MSY, DFW, etc...). More than once I have recognized a few faces from the inbound flight on my connection to DFW.

If Qatar Airways and AA were to code-share on a DFW route, it is likely that these connecting passengers will move up the road. Whether or not that is enough shift to warrant downgauging IAH to a 787 or not, time will tell...

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18):
However, it's rare that you hear of a Middle Eastern/Big Three carrier pulling out of a network route, so I don't expect this flight to be endangered.

Keep in mind that Qatar Airways' purpose is to serve the interests of its homeland above and beyond any commercial goal. With the Qatari government keen on being seen as a player in Middle East diplomacy (with some success), I think this is one route that is going to stay whether or not it is commercially justified.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 24):

I said it on the other thread and ill say it again, this mess is getting crazy. So you have QR who does not like EK but EK code shares with QR's alliance partner QF. EY which doesn't like QR is partnered with QR's alliance partner AB which wants to partner with AF, who doesn't like AA/IAG. Not to mention CX or AY must not like the ME carriers. This is just getting way too interesting...

It is very complex. Put simply, global alliances started off as a marketing organization (FFPs, lounges, elite recognition) which then evolved into extensive, deep-rooted alignment (anti-trust immunity, revenue sharing and joint-venture agreements). Now, it has shifted to, "how do we integrate the Middle Eastern carriers into the picture" which has essentially become the next phase in and of itself.

Now, at the end of the day, OneWorld is the loosest federation of all of the big three global alliances, so theoretically this type of accommodation could be the best approach for all players involved. Oneworld is the smallest alliance and has missed the boat on expanding into key regions of high-volume importance (namely India, mainland China and Africa).

I do agree with you, however, that it will be challenging for key stakeholders in OW (namely QF, IAG, AA, and AB) to continue walking in this increasingly tightrope situation without causing major spillovers along the way. It will be very interesting to see how things unfold.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 24):
you have QR who does not like EK but EK code shares with QR's alliance partner QF. EY which doesn't like QR is partnered with QR's alliance partner AB which wants to partner with AF, who doesn't like AA/IAG. Not to mention CX or AY must not like the ME carriers. This is just getting way too interesting...

Sounds like a soap opera to me, with all the cross relationships 
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:49 pm

Airlines of the gulf: Shaking up the skies. There is an interesting article about this at cnn.org.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:02 pm

Congratulations to *O and QR! My source will not get an A on this if only because of the four week delay with respect to the date I was quoted, but I think that a B+ is fair enough: Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement (by Markam Jul 13 2012 in Civil Aviation) 
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 19):
I believe AY is pleased to get QR inside OW, keep your enemy close

I still can't see any benefit for AY about QR joining OW.

Most of AY's Asian destinations (if not all) are covered now with QR, which at this stage has a much better brand awareness in Europe or the States. It is nothing comparable to the QF-EK partnership, where they somehow can "split" the flights if they want (since it involves 2 long-haul flights). The only remaining advantage for AY seems to be shorter flight distances from Europe, particularly to Japan.

Quoting RJAF (Reply 31):
Wonder how this will affect Royal Jordanian!

It seems to me that this QR-OW/EY-ST thing is just to fight the big guy in the room, Emirates. Both European (and South-Asian, look at SQ in Europe now) and QR/EY are scared of EK. So they surround Emirates. OW gets RJ, QR (and Sri Lankan), Star gets TK and MS (and ET) and Sky SV, MEA and Kenya.

RJ seemed to be in a limbo for a while, so I can't see how this is worse for them. Specially their little connectivity to Asia/India (BKK, DEL, HKG, KUL) which is QR's strength. RJ will still be the best connection point from Europe/NAmerica to the Levant or Egypt. They can easily "specialize" in niche markets that are not very well covered by QR for multiple reasons: Israel, Libya, Irak, Ukraine/Eastern Europe and some long-haul such as DTW.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 29):
The conspiracy theorist in me would argue that It's all part of the three Gulf carriers' overall scheme to undermine the three traditional alliances....and these traditional legacy carriers are lapping it up...walking straight into the trap....

An alternative way of looking at it is that all of the three Middle Eastern airlines have realised they can't all go it alone and need partners to support their networks.

There is a lot of expense incurred in joining an alliance (IT changes, staff training, comms etc) and it is not done lightly without an assessment of the benefits for the member elect.

It is interesting to note that following today's announcement the only international airline I can think of that doesn't have either a membership of alliance or a joint business (beyond mere interlining/codesharing) is Virgin Atlantic.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 21):
Looks like I proved all those naysayers wrong when people pounced on my post a couple weeks ago saying they wouldn't join OneWorld. Ha

you even proved the CEO of QR wrong....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...ays-oneworld-idUSBRE88T06J20120930

sometimes a blank stare or a non-committal answer would be a lot better than looking like a bit of an idiot 8 days later...
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 39):

I concur. I never really thought about flying QR but when the CEO point blankly denies the rumor and further states "NO"' he does not look too good. It would have been better for him to state his airline was keeping all options open.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:30 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 39):
sometimes a blank stare or a non-committal answer would be a lot better than looking like a bit of an idiot 8 days later...

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:22 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):

I just can't imagine this route being canceled, I'm sure there are more than enough oil connections to leave the two open.

I'm sort of surprised this occurred, but at the same time I feel like it was over due. QR needed BA, and now BA needs QR for Australia.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
I wonder if SYD will be a OW hub for much longer!

Why? Is Qantas going somewhere? I don't see why SYD would not be a hub still.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 24):
this mess is getting crazy. So you have QR who does not like EK but EK code shares with QR's alliance partner QF.

It's not all that crazy. I can think of a similar situation where CX doesn't get along with HU, but HU codeshares with CX's alliance partner AA.
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Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:58 pm

Interesting times ahead at OW...

EK/QF tie up...

EY/AB tie up...

AB/AF/KL/EY tie up...

Now QR officially become a Oneworld member... I'm not sure as to the relationship between EK/QR...

On another thread I've read AA is presently in talks with EK so I wonder if QRs announcement will change anything...

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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting CX282 (Reply 23):
Not to mention CX

Who also doesn't like QF.  
Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
I'm not sure as to the relationship between EK/QR...

Competitors. They both try to poach each others passengers/cargo.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
On another thread I've read AA is presently in talks with EK

I wonder if those talks are still on. I'm curious. For AA and QF "play well together." But BA does not want to share with EK.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 44):
I can think of a similar situation where CX doesn't get along with HU, but HU codeshares with CX's alliance partner AA.

Yep... This isn't a business relationship, it is a soap opera.   

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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 46):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
I'm not sure as to the relationship between EK/QR...

Competitors. They both try to poach each others passengers/cargo.

Very well said... This makes me wonder if QF was aware QR was invited to join the OW alliance or QF just decided it was time to take a leap of faith and sleep with the enemy...

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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:13 am

does this mean that QR wont serve LAX with their own metal, and instead will rely on their OW partners?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Join Oneworld: Official

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 47):
Very well said... This makes me wonder if QF was aware QR was invited to join the OW alliance or QF just decided it was time to take a leap of faith and sleep with the enemy...

this is a very interesting point. I am not sure how membership works, but I know years ago before the merger KLM was very strongly cooperating with Malaysia for connections to Australia, new zealand and Indonesia, and at that point it seemed logical that MAS would join skyteam, however apparently the rumour going around at the time was that Air France kept on blocking MAS's entry.

Which makes me wonder if Oneworld has similar rules.. ie - all carriers must agree... or is some vote taken and if the majority agree the deal is done? If this is the case QF absolutely would have known but picked Emirates quite rightly anyway (the connectivity at the hub alone is good enough grounds to do this. It's like Picking Sinapore Air with its singapore hub over Kuala Lumpur or Jakarta's options, or say LHR over MAN or AMS but without the runway constraint issue).

If this didn't require the overall approval of all members, it makes me interested what current members see the future of oneworld as... and I'm guessing they are almost moving beyond it. For AA - EK makes more sense. It fits in and is ready far quicker to work with AA's "cornerstone" strategy. For QF EK is obvious. For BA however what does QA bring to the table? BA won't want to be sending anybody from LHR down to DOH. That would be detracting directly from its own flights, with the possible exception of its Australia flights. Is BA planning on starting flights from other UK cities to DOH? I believe they're all reasonably well served? A Passenger travelling MAN-DOH-Hong KONG is one less passenger travelling MAN-LHR-HKG. Ditto for India.

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