wnflyguy
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WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:14 pm

Mine are: Finally a codeshare announcement.
SJU FL flying transition to WN.
New SJU service to MDW,HOU,STL
New international flying for FL.
MDW to MBJ,MEX
STL to MEX,MBJ
DEN to SJD
AUS to SJD,MBJ
Now for my SNA
FL dropping both LAS and SFO
Add 1 ATL redeye and + 1 SJD= 2
WN redeye flying
LAX -BWI,MDW. SAN -BWI,MDW. SEA -BWI
SFO -BWI, LAS -BWI, PHX -BWI
Your picks ?Wnfg  

[Edited 2012-10-08 12:35:10]
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:17 pm

I expect a CLT flight
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:50 pm

I would sure love to see a SAN-ATL flight (daytime, redeye - either one or both.) Many seem to think SNA-ATL is a given (particularly due to the intl FL flying out of John Wayne) but SAN seems to me to be a natural.

That being said, I will be (pleasantly) surprised if this actually happens.

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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Mine are: Finally a codeshare announcement.
SJU FL flying transition to WN.
New SJU service to MDW,HOU,STL
New international flying for FL.
MDW to MBJ,MEX
STL to MEX,MBJ
DEN to SJD
AUS to SJD,MBJ
Now for my SNA
FL dropping both LAS and SFO
Add 1 ATL redeye and + 1 SJD= 2
WN redeye flying
LAX -BWI,MDW. SAN -BWI,MDW. SEA -BWI
SFO -BWI, LAS -BWI, PHX -BWI
Your picks ?Wnfg

It'll certainly be interesting to see if international flying is announced on WN equipment. I'm guessing not just yet.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple more of the smaller FL stations integrated, however I wouldn't look for trunk routes like SFO and LAS-ATL to be completely WN equipment until more of the FL flying in ATL is dismantled. If WN removes too much from ATL then routes like FNT-ATL all of a sudden become unprofitable due to less connectivity. In the past WN has integrated the smaller cities that have the most benefit to being in the WN network. Cities like ICT and PWM stand to gain quite a bit to being connected to the WN network, and are relatively small and easy to integrate. Of course I am hoping to see some of the others integrated as well, as we all know cities like CLT and MEM are huge holes in the WN route map.

Personally I am hoping for DSM-LAS or STL (quoted by the DSM airport manager as the next two most likely), but I'm not holding my breath. MSP-LAS would be nice too, but three airlines are currently flying it (NK, DL, SY), so who knows. MSP-BWI or BNA seems viable as well, although with WN adding MSP-MCI in February they may not want to add any more out of MSP just yet.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:26 pm

I have to admit, I'm surprised PWM wasn't converted to WN at the same time as DSM/CAK/DAY.

With Portland, ME only connected to BWI 3x(?) daily, you would think WN would have converted it quickly to connect it to the WN network, rather than have it remain part of the dwindling FL BWI network.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:29 pm

I think PMW is the best next destination if their is no codeshare because it is only to BWI and would not FL ATL flights. SJU is a very likely choice, some more FL International probably and maybe one or two new ATL cities.

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Mine are: Finally a codeshare announcement.

Didn't they say not until 1st quarter 2013?
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:32 pm

I would definitely look for a SJU announcement to coincide with this OCT 22 schedule release and @ OCT 20 earnings report.
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:33 pm

For IND, I expect that most or all of the non-ATL FL service (IIRC, mostly Florida flying) will be converted to WN service.
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:38 pm

Um...anything new to/from MSY would suit me just fine. Not that that's a surprise or anything.

MSY-OAK or MSY-SAN, specifically, would rock my socks. As would something like MSY-CUN, which I figure is bound to happen sooner or later.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 1):
I expect a CLT flight

Now there's a shocker.

I believe what you mean to say is, "I want Southwest to add a flight to CLT."

[Edited 2012-10-08 15:30:52]
 
iowaman
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 4):
I have to admit, I'm surprised PWM wasn't converted to WN at the same time as DSM/CAK/DAY.

With Portland, ME only connected to BWI 3x(?) daily, you would think WN would have converted it quickly to connect it to the WN network, rather than have it remain part of the dwindling FL BWI network.

I agree. PWM is one of just a few cities NOT connected to ATL:

PWM
GRR (surprised about this one)
SNA
MEX
SJD
Ironically AUS doesn't have service to ATL on FL equipment, but has service to HOU and CUN (WN does serve AUS-ATL). SNA has service to SFO, LAS, MEX, and SJD on FL equipment, but no ATL.

Also since I don't have much important going on today (other than watch the Cardinals swat the Nats!!), I'll list what's left out of BWI, ATL, and MKE on FL equipment (as of right now). The cities with the * are also served by WN equipment from the following cities:

BWI:

AUA
ATL*
BDA
BKG (Branson, Missouri will be discontinued with WN taking over the station)
BOS*
CLT
CUN
DAY
RSW*
FLL*
GRR
MKE*
MBJ
NAS
MCO*
PWM
ROC
SJU
TPA*

That only leaves 11 stations that are FL exclusive destinations out of BWI, with five of those being international.

ATL:

CAK
AUA
BWI*
BOS
BKG (Branson, Missouri will be discontinued with WN taking over the station)
BUF
CUN
CLT
CMH
MDW*
DAY
DEN*
DTW
FNT
RSW
FLL
HOU*
IND
JAX
MCI
LAS*
LAX*
MEM
MKE
MSP
MBJ
NAS
MSY
LGA
MCO*
PNS
PHL
PHX*
PIT
PUJ
RDU
RIC
ROC
SAT
SFO*
SJU
STL
TPA
DCA
PBI
ICT

That leaves 36 FL equipment exclusive cities out of ATL, with five of those international. Also of interest, WN equipment only cities out of ATL are AUS, SDF, and ORF (all well-established WN cities).

MKE:

ATL
BWI*
BOS*
CUN
RSW
FLL*
MSP (will be taken over by WN early next month)
LGA*
MCO*
SFO*
TPA*
DCA

That leaves just four cities out of MKE that are FL equipment exclusive, with Cancun being the international one. WN equipment only serves LAS, PHX, SEA, LAX, DEN, MCI, STL, and MSY out of MKE.

[Edited 2012-10-08 16:21:46]
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:30 pm

Also, here is what is left out of MCO on FL equipment:

CAK
AUA
ATL*
BWI*
BOS
BKG (converting to WN has been announced)
BUF*
MDW*
CMH*
DAY
DTW*
FNT
GRR
IND*
EYW (converting to WN has been announced)
MKE*
MSP (converting to WN early next month)
MBJ
PHL*
PIT*
RIC
ROC
SJU
DCA

That leaves just 11 FL exclusive stations out of MCO, with two being international.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):

Now my new international flying predictions are on FL only.
I don't see WN metal other than SJU until 2014.
But if they pull it together before then I will be surprised.
Wnfg  
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:40 am

My predictions:

1x daily ATL-ISP
1-2x daily PVD-ATL

WN service to SJU, including:

ATL, BWI, MDW, MSY, PVD (in the latter)
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:55 am

SNA/OAK/SLC or SAN-ATL? Doest seem like they have connected the dots yet nor is it worth doing it until you can connect with "airtran" flights. Its basically pointless to connect these until you can connect to "airtran" flights in ATL but all seem like great canadites for eventual service

DEN-??? Where else can they connect to Denver Domestically or realistically? ALB
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:59 am

I definitely think SJU will be included.

MCO, TPA, BWI, FLL, MDW, HOU...
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:13 am

Could we see WN do similar to what they did with ATL-MCO and just operate one ATL flights to BOS, LGA, FLL, etc... and have AirTran operate the rest of the flights just so WN gets some flights into these important ATL markets? Hmmm...

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
WN service to SJU, including:

ATL

I question ATL. I think they will leave FL operating SJU-ATL and take over all other SJU flying.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 15):

I definitely think SJU will be included.

MCO, TPA, BWI, FLL, MDW, HOU...

COMPLETELY agree.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:39 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 16):

You're probably right, though do you think we could see a combination of both FL/WN equipment on the route?
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:51 am

What are the largest WN stations currently not connected to ATL by FL or WN?

Quoting neveragain (Reply 9):
Now there's a shocker.

I believe what you mean to say is, "I want Southwest to add a flight to CLT."

Lol.
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
SAN, BNA, DAL, OAK (SFO is serving Bay Area -ATL)

[Edited 2012-10-08 20:58:16]
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 18):
do you think we could see a combination of both FL/WN equipment on the route?

Their really is no way to tell what is going on with ATL until that codeshare comes into play.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:53 am

PDX-STL, PDX-BWI, PDX-BNA, PDX-HOU, PDX-MKE, PDX-SAT, PDX-ATL
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:34 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
New SJU service to MDW,HOU,STL

I would like to see this happen. MDW-SJU was last flown when ATA was around. That route has not been flown probably since 2006.

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
MDW to MBJ,MEX

MBJ a possibility but MDW-MEX won't be happening. WN/FL can't fly Chicago-MEX because the route authorities are occupied by both UA and AA. Only two airlines from each side can fly on any Mexico City-U.S. route pair. The only way I see that happening is with an actual codeshare between WN and Volaris, since Volaris already flies MDW-MEX.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:57 am

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 22):
Only two airlines

I believe its 3.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:58 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 3):
If WN removes too much from ATL then routes like FNT-ATL all of a sudden become unprofitable due to less connectivity.

These routes will not become unprofitable. ATL to ??? will not be dismantled until a codeshare is in place. So those in FNT will be able to connect to the rest of the WN system.


WW
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting neveragain (Reply 9):

Now there's a shocker.

I believe what you mean to say is, "I want Southwest to add a flight to CLT."

That made me laugh. LOL.  
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:21 pm

I'd love to see DCA transitioned to WN. Leave a few ATL flights and the RSW flight on FL and use the rest of the slots to to places like MDW, MKE, BNA, MCI, and HOU.

My ideal (figuring WN/FL has 15 slot pairs, which it did last time I checked):

ATL - 3x FL
AUS - 1x WN
BNA - 1x WN
HOU - 2x WN
MCI - 1x WN (this could be omitted and used instead for MDW)
MDW - 3x WN
MKE - 1x WN
RSW - 1x FL (can WN take over this AIR21 slot? Or does it re-enter the pool and go up for bid?)
STL 2x WN
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 26):
My ideal (figuring WN/FL has 15 slot pairs, which it did last time I checked):

I hope to see some DCA transition but I think u have way too many destinations listed. DCA is business which means frequency. We are probably looking at 5 MDW, 5 ATL (staying at FL), 1 MKE (if they want to keep MKE otherwise we could see another MDW or HOU), 1 RSW (which can operate to FLL or PBI if they choose, staying as FL), 1 AUS and 2 STL.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 16):
Could we see WN do similar to what they did with ATL-MCO and just operate one ATL flights to BOS, LGA, FLL, etc... and have AirTran operate the rest of the flights just so WN gets some flights into these important ATL markets? Hmmm...

I feel this is a great way for WN to get their feet on some these routes, along with a codeshare in place this will be golden. I think it would be great way to introduce FL customers to WN. Especially to the ones who have no idea that FL and WN are intertwined.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:18 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
WN redeye flying
LAX -BWI,MDW. SAN -BWI,MDW. SEA -BWI
SFO -BWI, LAS -BWI, PHX -BWI

I guess you mean additional flying since WN/FL already fly every BWI route except SFO already.

But SFO-IAD would be a no-brainer with UA's flying the route almost hourly during the summer.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 29):
I guess you mean additional flying since WN/FL already fly every BWI route except SFO already.

No, I'm pretty sure he means redeye flying operated by WN aircraft and crews, which does not exist today.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:37 pm

GRR and PWM need to be converted to WN soon.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:04 pm

With the codeshare in place I think you will see a big shift in flying at FL.
I could see FL 717's than were user on overlapping routes redeployed.
Use them to connect the dots until they're replaced with 737's.
New service like..
MDW-CLT
MDW-PWM
MDW-ROC
MDW-RIC
MDW-FLT
STL-GRR
STL-RIC
STL-PNS
STL-CLT
HOU -PNS
HOU -CLT
ICT -DEN
ICT -DAL
ICT -STL
Wnfg  

[Edited 2012-10-09 09:13:26]
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 32):
With the codeshare in place I think you will see a big shift in flying at FL.

I agree. It'll be interesting to see how WN/FL deploys the 717 when the codeshare goes into place. This is, or course, if you believe the codeshare will be online before the 717s head to DL  
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 23):
I believe its 3.

For MEX it's only two airlines from each side. There are other cities in Mexico where the bilateral only calls for two airlines from each side. Volaris had to request the DOT for an extra-bilateral authority in order to fly MDW-MEX since the route authority still belongs to MX. The other authority on the Mexico side for Chicago-MEX is held by AM. If for some miracle we ever see MX fly again Y4 has to cease flying the route and give the authority back to MX.

The only way WN/FL will ever fly on MDW-MEX is if the bilateral between USA and Mexico is amended or AA or UA give up the route authority. This is why you are not going to see WN/FL jumping on LAX-MEX either because of the same reason.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:53 pm

Quoting wwtraveler99 (Reply 24):
These routes will not become unprofitable. ATL to ??? will not be dismantled until a codeshare is in place. So those in FNT will be able to connect to the rest of the WN system.

Considering a lot of routes have less frequency and some routes like ATL-SEA are completely gone, I'm not so sure. FNT has noticeably less flights to connect to than previously (along with all the other FL cities int he network).
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting wwtraveler99 (Reply 24):

Judging by the results released last week, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few them already are unprofitable.
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting neveragain (Reply 9):

No I meant to say that
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 35):
Considering a lot of routes have less frequency and some routes like ATL-SEA are completely gone, I'm not so sure. FNT has noticeably less flights to connect to than previously (along with all the other FL cities int he network).

No they really dont have noticeably fewer connections. SRQ for sure but I bet 90% of the traffic on FNT-ATL is local along with MCO, FLL, TPA, RSW, MSY, HOU, CUN, SJU. There might have been a pax or two per day to DFW but SEA probably had only a couple per week.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 38):
No they really dont have noticeably fewer connections. SRQ for sure but I bet 90% of the traffic on FNT-ATL is local along with MCO, FLL, TPA, RSW, MSY, HOU, CUN, SJU. There might have been a pax or two per day to DFW but SEA probably had only a couple per week.

There is only one route in the AirTran system from ATL that with more than a 60% originating percentage. (Not that this should come as a surprise, as it's this way with any hub. You can't run a connecting hub with some routes having a 90% originating percentage and others having a 20% originating percentage.)

The highest originating percentage for an FL route served in 2011 was according to DoT statistics, surprisingly, HPN at 72%. Next highest were ACY and BOS at 59% each. LGA--ATL's largest O&D market--was at 58%. The 3 lowest originating percentages ex-ATL were RSW (18%), PNS (9%), and CLT (7%).

For the record, the ATL-FNT originating percentage was 34%. So 2 out of every 3 passengers on this route were connecting in 2011. Iowaman is correct.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:17 pm

It is likely any run of the mill stations might see additional frequencies to major connecting points (like HOU, BWI, MDW) in addition to, or as opposed to completely new WN metal service?
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 29):
But SFO-IAD would be a no-brainer with UA's flying the route almost hourly during the summer.

VX flys this route 4 times daily as well

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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 41):
VX flys this route 4 times daily as well

Sounds like it's rife for more competition!
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:53 pm

I also can see redeye flying from LAS.
LAS -PHL
LAS -MHT
LAS -PVD
LAS-FLL
LAS -MCO
LAS-TPA
LAS-MDW
LAS-BWI
LAS-RDU
LAS -MKE
LAS -EWR
LAS -BUF
LAS -ATL
LAS -MSP
Wnfg  
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting neveragain (Reply 42):
Sounds like it's rife for more competition!

I like that idea. We'd LUV to see more flights out of IAD. We're currenly only doing MDW and DEN. With only a total of 7 flights a day 

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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 43):
I also can see redeye flying from LAS.
LAS -PHL
LAS -MHT
LAS -PVD
LAS-FLL
LAS -MCO
LAS-TPA
LAS-MDW
LAS-BWI
LAS-RDU
LAS -MKE
LAS -EWR
LAS -BUF
LAS -ATL
LAS -MSP
Wnfg

This sounds remarkably like the redeye LAS flying that US Airways terminated in response to high jet fuel prices several years ago. US was quite transparent about its reasons for terminating the night bank: what used to be low-yield aircraft utilization-based flying to position aircraft on the east coast for morning flights to PHX quickly became a money-losing enterprise. For US, it made more sense to reallocate these aircraft to other hubs and overnight aircraft at the east coast stations instead.

So, presumably, your view is that WN can operate the same routes but that they will be profitable? Is this because you believe WN has a better cost structure? better market presence in LAS? something else?
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 44):
I like that idea. We'd LUV to see more flights out of IAD. We're currently only doing MDW and DEN. With only a total of 7 flights a day

In addition to IAD-SFO, WN might also benefit doing IAD-SAN. The UA nonstop flights are always booked up and fares are off the graph. As a matter of fact, I've found myself driving to BWI to take WN's more affordable SAN nonstop from there.
 
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:48 pm

I don't think IAD will be seeing more than what it currently has unless its an additional DEN frequency. You definitely won't see IAD-SFO or IAD-SAN.

As for the LAS redeyes listed above most of those stations have a LAS flight arriving between midnight and 1am already so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see some of them get a redeye. I'd say LAS-MDW, LAS-BWI, LAS-MCO and maybe LAS-TPA if it were to happen.

I'm most interested in seeing what's going to happen with SJU.
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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 41):
VX flys this route 4 times daily as well

As well as VX and UA SFO-DCA daily

WN could very eaily add BWI service and start making a mark on SFO-DC region flying

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RE: WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions

Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:38 pm

SJU rumored to have 6 to 8 737-800 being dedicated to the market.
It's rumored that SJU service transition to WN will happen in Jan or Feb.
With ATL remaining the soul FL market.
I not sure if test runs for the FAA and DOT are required for certification.
Would SJU require flag carrier status?
If so I'm guessing test runs would have to happen between now and December.

As for my LAS red eye bank prediction has nothing to do with what usairways once did.
A lot of eastern flights from LAS arrive after midnight to 3am in some cities.
WN keeps ramp and CSA crews late to meet last arrival which sometimes is a 3 to 4 hour gap between RON.
pushing these flights to red eyes cuts staffing cost and the AM crews already on the clock can work the flights.
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