ATL
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AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Hey guys,

Have AA installed winglets on every single one of their 767--300s? Or are there still a few 763s without winglets? Do they plan on installing winglets on all their 763s, or will they leave some without? Also, do these wingleted 763s fly domestic routes? (For example, do they fly DFW-LAX, MIA-LAX, MIA-DFW, LAX-ORD, etc..?) or do wingletted 763s usually always fly international?

Thanks for the help
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:29 pm

If I remember correctly, AA stopped the winglet program on their 763s a couple years back. So yes, some do have them, some don't. Based on my observations, I'd say only about 30-40% of the fleet has them, but again, that's just based on spending quite a bit of time around DFW. Certainly not scientific by any stretch.

AFAIK, there isn't any distinction between the two subfleets, which means you're just as likely to get a winglet-fitted 763 on a domestic flight as you are on an international flight, but I could be wrong.

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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
30-40% of the fleet has them, but again, that's just based on spending quite a bit of time around DFW

At ORD lately it seems like 60% do have them. I actually prefer them without.
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
If I remember correctly, AA stopped the winglet program on their 763s a couple years back.

Why? Were they not happy with them? Everyone else seems happy with them.
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:01 pm

It is ongoing, it has not stopped as far as I know.
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:30 am

I find it odd if they stopped refitting them.. is it because they are going to retire them soon? I'm flying DFW-LAX and was curious as to what I'd expect on a 767 on that route
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:30 am

Quoting ATL (Thread starter):
(For example, do they fly DFW-LAX, MIA-LAX, MIA-DFW, LAX-ORD, etc..?)

They rotate through the whole system, so yes they do both domestic and international. I've done the following:

American 767's without winglets:
CDG-ORD N350AN
DFW-CDG N348AN
DFW-LAX N346AN
DFW-MIA N343AN
FRA-DFW N342AN
DFW-LAX N7375A

American 767's with winglets:
MIA-SCL N39364
LAX-DFW N373AA
MIA-ORD N353AA

So I've been on a number of international flights that were flown with a 763 not equipped with winglets, and also a couple of domestic runs with winglets.
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 6):
American 767's without winglets:
CDG-ORD N350AN
DFW-CDG N348AN
DFW-LAX N346AN
DFW-MIA N343AN
FRA-DFW N342AN
DFW-LAX N7375A

American 767's with winglets:
MIA-SCL N39364
LAX-DFW N373AA
MIA-ORD N353AA

Nice data   I suppose the DFW-LAX run is a hit or miss
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:44 am

I know JFK-SAN gets winglets about 50-60% of the time.
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:11 am

The winglet program has not stopped. A freshly wingleted plane rolls out of Tulsa about every 25 days. There are currently about 32 out of 58 763s completed (55%)

The following have the winglet mod (fleet numbers only, just add AA, AN, AM to most to get the N-numbers). I may have missed one or two, but for the most part this is pretty comprehensive:

345, 351, 352, 353, 354, 356, 359, 360, 361, 362, 364, 365, 370, 372, 373, 377, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 393, 394, 395, 398 (in work right now), and 399.

The fleet numbers for all 763s are easy: 342-399, no breaks in numbering.
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:51 pm

There aren't any restricted routings for the 763's but there is some priority routing for winglet aircraft to be routed on the longer stagelenghts when possible, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 2):
At ORD lately it seems like 60% do have them. I actually prefer them without.

I also prefer the "classic" look of an airplane without winglets!

Quoting N243NW (Reply 9):
The winglet program has not stopped. A freshly wingleted plane rolls out of Tulsa about every 25 days. There are currently about 32 out of 58 763s completed (55%)

Typical AA project - moving at a snail's pace!
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting N243NW (Reply 9):

And there you go. I should know better than to base that off of heresay.

Thanks!   

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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:20 pm

Can someone explain to me if the winglets help the shorter sectors more than the longer ones?

I left BRU on monday DL BRU-JFK had the winglets, but the BRU-ATL did not? Does it save more on the shorter segments?
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting xdlx (Reply 13):

Is the BRU-ATL route one that is often operated by the ex-Gulf Air 767s with the door 2L? Those planes do not have winglets so it would make sense if it was.
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:23 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):

I know the 76G have the fuel dump system, could that be why the winglets can not be installed on those?
IIRC the 76ER that has winglets do not have the capability to dump fuel.
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 15):

That would make sense. I wasn't aware that DL's 767s (or most of them) couldn't dp fuel.
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:31 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):If I remember correctly, AA stopped the winglet program on their 763s a couple years back.
Why? Were they not happy with them? Everyone else seems happy with them.

398 is getting winglets and MAUI (Avionics Mod) done as we speak.
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:01 pm

All of Delta's 767ER's have fuel dump system.
 
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RE: AA 767-300 Winglet Status

Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:48 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 15):
76ER that has winglets do not have the capability to dump fuel.

Interesting because all 58 of our 767-300ER's can dump fuel, and we have winglets on our airplanes. Only the 200ER's don't have fuel dump.
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