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BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:00 am

The Wall Street Journal and the Seattle PI are reporting that tomorrow morning, AS will announce an order for up to 50 737-MAX's. According to the PI, the order could include more NG's as well.

More to come. . .


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Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:14 am

This is excellent news for B and AS!   

Wonder if this will mean extended routes.
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Thread starter):
The Wall Street Journal and the Seattle PI are reporting that tomorrow morning, AS will announce an order for up to 50 737-MAX's.

Well this is about the least surprising order ever.
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:41 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Well this is about the least surprising order ever.

   My sentiments exactly!
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):

and the sky is blue.....

anyways congrats to AS, its employees, Boeing and its employees.  
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:56 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):

Well this is about the least surprising order ever.

Eh, so?
Does that mean anything different to the order book, share prices or Boeing's bank balance? Nah.

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Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:05 am

Seattle is still a small enough burg that an order worth several billion dollars is noted and apppreciated. Especially since there are more than a few of us around these parts enjoying a very solid dividend and recognizing that we'll see an increase before too long.
 
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:37 am

Agree with BMI727.

wonder what the breakdown is of the -8, -9 is and if there are any 737-7 on order, too.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:55 am

Quoting Julian773 (Reply 7):

I'm pretty sure that the majority of these new orders will be for MAX, considering AS already has standing orders for aircraft to be delivered through 2015. I'm guessing 40 MAX and 10 NG. I don't think any of these will be 700s, max or NG.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:28 am

I'm going to speculate that most, if not all, will be the 737-9 MAX. The 737-900ER can, and has, operated West Coast-Hawaii. The 737-9MAX will do the same but without any of the restrictions.
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:47 am

We've been sworn to secrecy...   
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:30 am

The agreement includes orders for 50 Boeing 737 aircraft firm deliveries, with the ability to purchase an additional 62 aircraft through options and purchase rights. The firm orders include 13 737-900ER aircraft, 20 737 MAX 8s, and 17 737 MAX 9s. The MAX aircraft is the new engine variant of Boeing's NextGen 737 aircraft, the company said. The aircraft subject to firm orders will be delivered between 2015 and 2022.
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:32 am

Quoting Julian773 (Reply 7):
wonder what the breakdown is of the -8, -9 is and if there are any 737-7 on order, too.

well it looks like it will be 13x 739ER, 20x Max8 and 17x Max9.
with 62 options and purchase rights.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska...-purchase-agreement-102412242.html
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:05 pm

Ok, the press release is finally out!

SEATTLE — Alaska Airlines today announced an order for 50 Boeing aircraft, including the 737 MAX—the new engine variant of the world’s best-selling airliner. The aircraft, which will be delivered between 2015 and 2022, represent the largest order in Alaska Airlines’ history and are worth $5 billion at manufacturer’s list prices.
The agreement includes firm orders for 13 Boeing Next-Generation 737-900ERs, 20 737 MAX 8s and 17 737 MAX 9s.
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Some images from yesterday's meeting where the order was announced; this was one of the models presented to CEO Brad Tilden and CFO Brandon Pedersen:

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/7310/737max1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/9458/737max3.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img255/2185/737max2.jpg



And here's the video of the actual announcement to our group yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQAwiHaWpNE&feature=plcp
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:07 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Well this is about the least surprising order ever.

- Well said, quite amusing  

Congrats to Boeing on another MAX order.
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Well this is about the least surprising order ever.

I'd give that to WN and FR.

Still, it's a positive sign for AS that they feel confident enough to place such a large order (almost 40% of their current fleet size).
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:08 pm

This is a big order for AS isn't it? How many airplanes does the company operate now?

As for the 737, not the most exciting aircraft but it does what it's supposed to do. It's really remarkable how reliable modern airliners are. Style-wise, I wish they'd redesign the tail fin - I've never liked that attachment on the front that extends the tail forward on the fuselage. It's always looked like an afterthought to me.
 
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Quoting Hamlet69 (Thread starter):
The Wall Street Journal and the Seattle PI are reporting that tomorrow morning, AS will announce an order for up to 50 737-MAX's.

Well this is about the least surprising order ever.

If true, it ranks as a tie with a large (and growing) list:

AirAsia - NEO
Virgin America - NEO
JetBlue - NEO
TAM - NEO
LAN - NEO
Lufthansa - NEO
Indigo - NEO

Southwest - MAX
Lion Air - MAX
Virgin Australia - MAX
GOL - MAX


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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Well this is about the least surprising order ever.

Well what about the LH order for the NEO, or any other EU based airline ordering the NEO?

It is great news for the MAX program and for AS.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:30 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
Well what about the LH order for the NEO, or any other EU based airline ordering the NEO?

So you think the MAX will never get a european customer?
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Well this is about the least surprising order ever.

   Ok, I was surprised at the number. Not the type, but the quantity.

But still a fun response by you.  
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
Well what about the LH order for the NEO

LH bids the 737 off against the A320. So their orders are *very* contested and not to be taken for granted.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 17):
I've never liked that attachment on the front that extends the tail forward on the fuselage. It's always looked like an afterthought to me.

It is an 'afterthought.' But why spend that much money on a new tail? The current tail has some grandfathered in features that make it lighter and cheaper than a redesign. Unless there is a significant performance advantage, keep with the current tail. A new taller tail (required to get rid of that 'attachment on the front') would also change the flight handling a bit. Why bother spending that money?

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Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 17):
Style-wise, I wish they'd redesign the tail fin - I've never liked that attachment on the front that extends the tail forward on the fuselage. It's always looked like an afterthought to me.

I'm fine with the tail; I wish for a new nose instead. The wing looks great and the fuselage is just a metal tube. But the 707 nose just looks old by now. (And, from what the pilots around here say, leads to a cramped, unpleasant, and noisy cockpit.)
 
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:49 pm

Seems as if putting a 757 nose on the 737 would be simple--same fuselage cross section. I guess Boeing doesn't see the need and customers don't either.
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:34 pm

Great news for AS & B, but B is still looking for that first MAX-7 order. Not surprising it wasn't AS since they have been reducing their 73G fleet recently.
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting PacificF27 (Reply 23):
Seems as if putting a 757 nose on the 737 would be simple--same fuselage cross section. I guess Boeing doesn't see the need and customers don't either.

A new nose is not simple at all. It would require significant modifications to the flight deck, mechanical flight controls, relocating the electronics bay equipment, etc. Boeing is never going to put the 757 nose on the 737. It has higher drag due to the 757 having the same flight deck as the 767. Pilots may like the 757 flight deck more, but it does not have a business reason to be put on the 737.

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Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 18):
If true, it ranks as a tie with a large (and growing) list:

Of your listing all airlines with NEO and MAX orders you are missing a lot, if not I don't understand the list.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:57 pm

Congratulations to AAG on this great news! Another positive sign of future planning, growth, and good times ahead.

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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 28):
Shocking news Alaska orders Boeing 737's .......who would have thunk it?

Yeah, I didn't keel over in shock when I read it this morning either. I just wondered why it took this long.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
We've been sworn to secrecy...

On what? New projected routes for the new airplanes? Or was that a joke?

Will these be replacements for the 734 and 73G fleet, or does AS have sights on new additional routes? I assume future growth will be a combination of additional new destinations from SEA (RDU, TPA, etc) and new routes from other cities (PDX, SJC, SAN).
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:16 pm

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Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 6):
Seattle is still a small enough burg that an order worth several billion dollars is noted and apppreciated. Especially since there are more than a few of us around these parts enjoying a very solid dividend and recognizing that we'll see an increase before too long.

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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 26):
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 18):
If true, it ranks as a tie with a large (and growing) list:

Of your listing all airlines with NEO and MAX orders you are missing a lot, if not I don't understand the list.

No. I was listing the MAX/NEO orders that have been "a given" in the context of the previous pun that AS ordering 737 MAX is "shocking."

I apologize if that wasn't clear.


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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):We've been sworn to secrecy...
On what?

At the meeting yesterday, we were all specifically asked not to reveal the nature of the announcement until the formal press release went out. That's why I didn't post any details until after the press release was issued.
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:15 pm

Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 24):
Great news for AS & B, but B is still looking for that first MAX-7 order. Not surprising it wasn't AS since they have been reducing their 73G fleet recently.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the model rides quietly into the sunset. Although it has some orders, I don't think the A319neo will do well either.

Quoting zeke (Reply 34):
Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?

  
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 34):
Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?

No, Alaska is not the size of DL, WN, AA etc... so they don't need 150 planes. 50 is a lot for an airline the size AS.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 20):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):Well what about the LH order for the NEO, or any other EU based airline ordering the NEO?
So you think the MAX will never get a european customer?
"Surprisingly" LH ordered the B747-8I...and BA the 787-8/9...



I didn't say that, and we are only talking about the B-737MAX/NG and A-320NEO/OEO. I believe Norwegian has both the MAX and the NEO on order.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 22):
But the 707 nose just looks old by now. (And, from what the pilots around here say, leads to a cramped, unpleasant, and noisy cockpit.)

I like the B-707 nose, and it is not why the cockpit in the B-737 is so crowded. It is the cockpit that is the size problem, not the nose design.


Quoting zeke (Reply 34):
Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?

AS has an all B-737 fleet of about 120 airplanes. So, for them, this order of 50 is about 40% of their fleet size, which is huge for an airline that size. The B-734s and B-73Gs will begin retiring in 2013, I think. But as I understand it the B-734C (3) and B-734F (1) will be staying in the fleet for some time because of the unique capabilities those two models bring to flying in Northern Alaska. My guess is along with the B-73G, the next model to retire will be the non-ER B-739s. AS appears to only keep airplanes for about 15 years, or so.

Things could change, but I would doubt AS would order any of the A-32X-NEO family. Things could also change if AS ever decided to buy a bigger airplane than any of the B-737 models. For now, and because they are based in Seattle, I time they will stay with the home town team.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:37 pm

This is great news. As a loyal AS flyer, I am impressed with their growth and profitability. Would love to see some up gauging out of PDX and more routes all over the map.

Congrats to the employees at Alaska, you guys run a great airline.

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Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 21):
It is an 'afterthought.' But why spend that much money on a new tail?

Hey a guy can dream can't he? Interesting though that the tail is grandfathered in and is lighter as a result. So what you're suggesting then is that when the clean sheet narrow body design comes along it will have a different looking tail (that might be taller?)
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 37):
But as I understand it the B-734C (3)

Just a slight correction, they actually have 5 combi's. I have heard rumors that maybe some -700's will have a cargo door installed and replace some or all of the -400C's. I have heard it's a longshot but apparently the -400C's have a small weight and balance issue.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 37):
Things could change, but I would doubt AS would order any of the A-32X-NEO family. Things could also change if AS ever decided to buy a bigger airplane than any of the B-737 models. For now, and because they are based in Seattle, I time they will stay with the home town team.

I've wondered this too. I assume that most of it is just that AS finds the 737 series the best airplane for their fleet (just like GOL in Brazil does, for example) but I expect they'd be hard pressed to buy Airbus even if they wanted to. People say that the public doesn't care what kind of airplane they fly, but I'd think AS would be very reluctant to not buy Boeing, just for political and image reasons considering that they are based in a place in which Boeing is one of the biggest employers.

By contrast, AF does fly the 777 but can justify that it's a much more capable airplane for some missions, given the greater variety of routes that they fly.

Quoting zeke (Reply 34):
Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?

AS has some very new and capable 738s in their fleet and more 737-900ERs already on order. I don't think yesterday's order was intended to completely replace their existing fleet. So I don't think they were planning to order 120 airplanes all at once. Hopefully the next model they order will be the Y1.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:03 pm

It does bring up an interesting point. The 737 has looked pretty much the same since the 300's came around. Sure some are longer and some are shorter. Some have winglets, some don't.

I understand it cost money to do a cosmetic change but wouldn't it make sense to make the 737 look more modern by giving it a facelift? The nose, especially looks pretty much like it did in 1965!!
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:13 pm

I'm about 99.9% sure my first ride on a 737 max will be on one of these aircraft ordered today, so it's good news to my ears. Congrats to Boeing and AS.

Quoting zeke (Reply 34):
Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?

Not really.

It's hard to put AS fleet planning into historical context because the airline has really changed since the early 1990s in terms of the routes they operate and the equipment. But for AS, 50 planes is quite alot, as another poster pointed out. That'll replace all of the retiring 734s and probably a few 73Gs and non-ER 739s, except for the Combis and the Freighter, plus continue AS' gradual fleet expansion.

Quoting alaska737 (Reply 40):

Just a slight correction, they actually have 5 combi's. I have heard rumors that maybe some -700's will have a cargo door installed and replace some or all of the -400C's. I have heard it's a longshot but apparently the -400C's have a small weight and balance issue.

That probably won't happen.

The -700 can be fitted with a cargo door from the factory, but cannot be converted into a freighter at the moment (there is no STC). Right now, if you want to convert a 737 into a freighter, it must be a -300/-400 or a -200 (which is very unlikely to happen again). My guess is that the 737-800 will come first when the time comes for the conversion houses to do an NG.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting cargolex (Reply 43):
The -700 can be fitted with a cargo door from the factory, but cannot be converted into a freighter at the moment (there is no STC). Right now, if you want to convert a 737 into a freighter, it must be a -300/-400 or a -200 (which is very unlikely to happen again). My guess is that the 737-800 will come first when the time comes for the conversion houses to do an NG.

Another thing I've been told is that the FAA will no longer certify Convertible Combis, like the old AS 737-200s or KLM 747-400 Convertible Combis. I don't' recall the exact reason a movable bulkhead is no longer allowed, but I think it has to do with smoke penetration requirements.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Well this is about the least surprising order ever.
Quoting DoubleDelta (Reply 3):
My sentiments exactly!
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 4):
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Quoting Julian773 (Reply 7):
Agree with BMI727.

  You all are missing the point...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 37):
AS has an all B-737 fleet of about 120 airplanes. So, for them, this order of 50 is about 40% of their fleet size, which is huge for an airline that size.

Bingo!    KC135 hit the nail right on the head!

So this may not be UA/DL/AA announcing yet ANOTHER triple digit aircraft order, but this is still the largest aircraft order in Alaska Airlines' history. This is a very monumental move that begins the grand expansion plans that Alaska management and planning departments are carefully and quietly working on. It has been said to the employees of Alaska Airlines that within a year or two, we will see such monumental and fantastic transformations that we will not even recognize our own airline! It is going to be a very exciting next few years!

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Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting flybynight (Reply 42):
I understand it cost money to do a cosmetic change but wouldn't it make sense to make the 737 look more modern by giving it a facelift? The nose, especially looks pretty much like it did in 1965!!

The nose was modernized a few years back, with the removal of the eyebrow windows.
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Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 33):
Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 36):
No, Alaska is not the size of DL, WN, AA etc... so they don't need 150 planes. 50 is a lot for an airline the size AS
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 41):
So I don't think they were planning to order 120 airplanes all at once. Hopefully the next model they order will be the Y1.

Actually, the announcement from Boeing and Alaska said that there were 62 additional Options and Purchase Rights.
 
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 41):
Quoting zeke (Reply 34):Only 50 ?.... so does open the door for another manufacturer ?
AS has some very new and capable 738s in their fleet and more 737-900ERs already on order. I don't think yesterday's order was intended to completely replace their existing fleet.

Two-thirds of these 50 new planes will be replacements of 734s, 73Gs, and the original non-ER 739s. Then keep in mind, there are already 25 existing firm delivery positions still scheduled even before any of these 50 aircraft hit the fleet. And then another 60-plus options. This gives AS lots of flexibility from a fleet-planning perspective; if demand is there, you grow at a much quicker rate. If demand isn't there, you grow at a more measured pace.

Provided the company continues to meet profitability and ROIC targets, AS could have over 200 airframes on the property in the next decade.

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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:11 pm

Very exciting news for all AS fans and employees! The range of the 737MAX exceeds that of the current -800 and -900ER fleet by approximately 500 nautical miles. It'll be interesting to see just where they plan on flying these new birds! Central America is easily within range...even ANC-NRT or KIX as well.
 
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RE: BREAKING: AS To Order Up To 50 737-MAX's

Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 45):
This is a very monumental move that begins the grand expansion plans that Alaska management and planning departments are carefully and quietly working on. It has been said to the employees of Alaska Airlines that within a year or two, we will see such monumental and fantastic transformations that we will not even recognize our own airline! It is going to be a very exciting next few years!

Care to share? I can see some more destinations from SEA (PIT, CLT, SLC, OKC, TPA, MSY, etc). I would also expect maybe connecting the dots with some more existing SEA destinations from PDX, SJC and SAN (e.g. EWR, FLL, etc); maybe some non-stop ANC routes like MSP, SLC, EWR, etc. Maybe something new like LAX-SJO, SEA-MEX, SJC-MEX; maybe even a return to Far East Russia.

However, I wouldn't have expected a "monumental" transformation. What would that look like to you?

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