Jackbr
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VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:34 pm

When VH-OEB-D "the ugly sisters" were acquired by QF, were they in full MH/OZ configuration, a "hybrid" layout with QF seats and the galleys of their respective original owners, or were they converted to a standard QF cabin?
 
Tod
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:00 pm

After a short time in service they were all reconfigured to one of the standard QF configurations at the Avalon airbase.

Flight Stuructures Inc and Heath Tecna did the engineering for the mod.
 
qfatwa
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:58 am

They were flown in the configurations and product as bought - either MH or OZ. Their first routes were MEL-AKL-LAX and return where they were isolated.

Cabin crew were briefed prior to departures and a support team of crew advisers were based in Auckland for about 2 weeks to go on the aircraft with each crew and highlight specifics and variations and tricks and tips to work these very non standrard aircraft.

The travellers were underwhelmed by the non standard product.

It was great as each went off for "Qantasification"!
 
IDAWA
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:39 am

I flew on OEC in 2001 - route SYD-SIN-CDG
Apparently it has already been "Qantasified" at the time, and released to normal schedule
Flown on: 319, 320, 321, 340, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, DC9, D10, M11, M80, 146, EM2, BEH, CRJ, DH8, L4T.
 
BA174
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:25 am

Anyone know why one of these (don't know which) has remained in service when standard QF RR powered aircraft have been stored? Is that aircraft not a oddball? Of course the 4ERS have GE engines but not exactly the same type as the ex-MH aircraft.
 
Jackbr
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:32 am

Apparently OEC/D were found to have significant corrosion during their last D check, apparently stemming to how the paint was stripped by MH. OEB, being an ex-OZ machine, did not have this issue

Please correct me if this is wrong
 
qfatwa
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:33 am

OEB - the Asiana aircraft remains in service.

I don't know why.
 
tim
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:05 pm

OEB is in better condition than C&D was. The GE powered machines are better for the Pacific runs than the RR's so she fits in with QF's other 6 GE 744ER's.
 
Tod
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting IDAWA (Reply 3):
I flew on OEC in 2001 - route SYD-SIN-CDG
Apparently it has already been "Qantasified" at the time, and released to normal schedule

Reconfigured in 1999 (or early 2000)
 
smi0006
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:40 am

Quoting jackbr (Reply 5):
Apparently OEC/D were found to have significant corrosion during their last D check, apparently stemming to how the paint was stripped by MH. OEB, being an ex-OZ machine, did not have this issue

Please correct me if this is wrong

I recall that, I think who ever removed the paint did so with a sharp implement and scratched the sheeting. If I recall it was under the tail... but that is only vague memories.

I think even after their interiors had been modified the crew still didn't like them, they seemed prone to break downs and faults. They were nicknames the three ugly sisters.
 
qf002
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:03 am

Quoting BA174 (Reply 4):
Anyone know why one of these (don't know which) has remained in service when standard QF RR powered aircraft have been stored?

Probably because the RR aircraft have come up to a D check while OEB still has time left in her before the airline has to spend money to keep her flying. I'm sure she'd already be gone if she was the only GE powered frame left, but as you point out, she's not a complete oddball.
 
Tod
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:23 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
I think even after their interiors had been modified the crew still didn't like them, they seemed prone to break downs and faults. They were nicknames the three ugly sisters.

Bummer because the cabin functionality should have been comparable to the rest of th QF fleet. I know that after the reconfigs, the pax cabin related mechanical systems were as good or better than the rest of the QF744.
 
BA174
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RE: VH-OEB/C/D - Delivery Configuration

Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:58 am

So now do these aircraft compare to G-BNLH when it first came into service config wise? I know despite the RR engines the internal BA equipment was totally different to QFs. I know many QF staff were more than pleased to see it fly back to the motherland at the end of it's lease.