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Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:53 am

Sorry to report, but this pic by Russell Hill says it all. First 77W has been rolled out painted gray/silver. Bare metal no more  http://mobile.twitter.com/Sabian404/...s/257914133280866304/photo/1/large

[Edited 2012-10-16 12:54:37 by srbmod]
 
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Having viewed the pic, I'm now choosing to believe that you and Russ are wrong. There's no other reasonable conclusion.
That's way too ugly to be destined for AA.
Looks more like the Chilean Air Force... the one with the solid grey airplane, and the blue rudder.
 
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Hmmm...look at the 777s scheduled to deliver next month.


American - yes.
Chilean AF - no.

You are right on the similarity, however!
 
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Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sabian404/status/257914133280866304/photo/1/large

The link isn't working I had to copy and paste into my browser... AA I'm sure you can do better than that!!!

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Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):

Sorry to report, but this pic by Russell Hill says it all. First 77W has been rolled out painted gray/silver. Bare metal no more

Matte grey? Are you sure this isn't a military aircraft?

I doubt AA would allow a new paintscheme to be seen on the flight line without any sort of announcements. Most airlines are highly secretive about new branding.
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:31 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):

Unless the US military has 77Ws to replace VC-25s, then its definitely for AA. Just north of L2 door is an American flag, nothing close to the Chilean flag.
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I've seen Air Force C-130s that look better than that.......maybe there's another coat to be sprayed, to make it shinier.
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:35 am

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 5):
Just north of L2 door is an American flag,

I think that's flying from the building in front of the aircraft, not painted on. It overlaps a window, just barely.
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Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 5):
Just north of L2 door is an American flag

The American flag certainly is a give away sign this is destined to a US of A carrier and AA from memory is the only carrier which have B77Ws on the Boeing order books...

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Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 6):
I've seen Air Force C-130s that look better than that.......maybe there's another coat to be sprayed, to make it shinier.

To be fair, today's weather has been lousy, to say the least. Very overcast and rain/drizzle all day. And it's not like the picture is very high-quality to begin with.

Personally, I'll reserve judgement until I see the finished product. . .

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 5):
Unless the US military has 77Ws to replace VC-25s, then its definitely for AA. Just north of L2 door is an American flag, nothing close to the Chilean flag.

Hahaha. . . look again. . . that's actually a real flag on a pole above the delivery building next to the stall.  


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I expect that this is a base coat. This cannot be all that we're going to be seeing.

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Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
The American flag certainly is a give away sign this is destined to a US of A carrier and AA from memory is the only carrier which have B77Ws on the Boeing order books...

No, look closely. Enlarge the photo. The flag is skewed to the line of the aircraft. It has a decidedly downward slant to it from fore to aft. It also overlaps the top rear corner of the aft-most window before the L2 door. No flag would be painted on in such a manner. Furthermore, if you look closely, you can see the flagpole rising from the apex of the roof of the low building immediately in front of the aircraft.

I'm not saying it's not AA's aircraft, but I am saying that that flag is not painted on; it's in the foreground.

If this is AA's aircraft, my guess is that this is some sort of primer awaiting a gloss finish. I'm not aware of any commercial carrier that has ever used matte grey.
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:41 am

All I can say is that if that is indeed an AA 77W, I hope the gray is just a base for a special scheme or something better. The last time they tried this on the A300's it really did look pretty rough in person. Even when new.
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Quoting Mcoov (Reply 10):
I expect that this is a base coat. This cannot be what we're going to be seeing.

Agreed. They base-coat planes before they paint it with the normal livery. It should be colored in a darker livery.
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I'm not that good with painting so if someone could enlighten me...... would that base layer indicate that that paint scheme will NOT include a majority of white?
 
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While I agree that this is probably a base coat, and that the final coat will be painted on literally the night before they are ready to reveal the new look to a big media circus, I think this would be an awesome base colour for a new livery...

With some punchy red, white and blue waves up the side and a big AA on the tail, it would be very bold...
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The flag is skewed to the line of the aircraft

It looks like it's posted on a flagpole.
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Have a look at the tail of the aircraft. It's a lighter grey, looking very much like normal AA tails.
 
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At this point I want to know what color the base coat of the flagpole is.
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
I'm not aware of any commercial carrier that has ever used matte grey.

Reminds me of the horribly drab UA battleship grey livery of the early 1990s. 
 
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):

The American flag certainly is a give away sign this is destined to a US of A carrier and AA from memory is the only carrier which have B77Ws on the Boeing order books...

That's all good and well, but we need to lay the flag thing to rest; no US carrier prominently displays the US flag above door L2. That's just silly.

Anyhow, IF the plane ends up like Northwest's metallic silver final livery did, then I'll tolerate it. Otherwise, it's just so much marketing department decision making.
 
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Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
Reminds me of the horribly drab UA battleship grey livery of the early 1990s. 

It was still a gloss coat, not matte.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 16):
It looks like it's posted on a flagpole.

Because it is!
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):

It was still a gloss coat, not matte.

It was DRAB!  
 
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So what color is the flag pole?   

But all this picture proves is that the plane will be painted, correct? Its not necessarily going to be that military grey color.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
It was still a gloss coat, not matte.

   The old Northwest was metallic, the old UA was gloss, and military seems to use matte. Furthermore, I'd be surprised to see a matte paint job, unless I'm missing something about the paint itself. As a car enthusiast, I hear a lot about how much work it takes to maintain a matte paint job and keep it looking good, assuming it ever looked good. Plus, an airliner is going to see harsher environments on a regular basis, since leaving your matte black Lambo in the garage is usually an option.

Also, a gloss finish will have a lower friction coefficient than a matte paint scheme.
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Dumb questions: Why do we know for certain that this is an AA destined aircraft? Just the order book and what is up next? Just the flag? Could it be a BBJ order? Could it be for another airline?

Just curious, thanks.
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Actually as much as I love the current paint scheme, I'm a big believer in this could be a good thing. Their corporate image is so tainted, and how else do you expect them to "bare metal" the airbuses?
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 24):
Also, a gloss finish will have a lower friction coefficient than a matte paint scheme.

ALL passenger airliners being delivered have a clear coat applied.
 
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Guys, sorry for the image quality, but it was shot with a Galaxy S III at full zoom. The aircraft is currently sporting N717AN as the reg.
 
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they have to try new things where they are now is not good any lower and they will hit tree tops and then its done with,
I think they need to update the logo a bit make it a little sleeker and stylish keep the red white and blue.
Maybe restyle the eagle emblem somehow where its predominate in the logo as well.the grey silver is going to have to come with the CF coming online.

But until they get the books in order and more butts in those planes all the paint in the world and all the nicest , planes wont help them Look what happened to TWA when the money problems come knocking, and answering in the wrong fashion.
 
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 23):
But all this picture proves is that the plane will be painted, correct?

I sure hope so, because otherwise there's gonna be a delivery delay!

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 23):
So what color is the flag pole?

I'll give you a flag pole...  

Wait... that didn't come out right at all.

Quoting checksixx (Reply 27):
ALL passenger airliners being delivered have a clear coat applied.

Does that apply to current all-metal schemes like AA?
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My bet: This isn't the final coat, the plane will be flown down to the PDX paint shop, then flown out under the cover of darkness to some remote spot, from where it'll be flown in for the new livery reveal.
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 31):
My bet: This isn't the final coat, the plane will be flown down to the PDX paint shop, then flown out under the cover of darkness to some remote spot, from where it'll be flown in for the new livery reveal.

  

No branding would ever be revealed so sloppily as this.
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Quoting checksixx (Reply 27):
ALL passenger airliners being delivered have a clear coat applied.

...which is why I highly doubt AA will opt for matte paint. Airlines don't have much incentive to have low reflectivity.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 30):
Does that apply to current all-metal schemes like AA?

Yes. There was a Boeing study some years ago that came to the conclusion that although bare metal schemes do save weight, the maintenance (which I think includes some fairly nasty chemicals) costs likely outweigh the benefit overall. Of course that doesn't count branding.
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As much as I am a fan of the traditional bare metal finish, I knew it was going away - it just had to with the Airbus coming into service.

I'll reserve judgment till I see the whole aircraft, but I am at least grateful that it is not polar white with a few streaks stuck to it as so many have done.
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I hate to see the bare polished metal go.  
I really hope it's not white with painted tail or swirl.
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Photo of it this evening - http://flic.kr/p/dk9qL1
 
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Quoting sabian404 (Reply 36):

Photo of it this evening - http://flic.kr/p/dk9qL1


Under that lighting it sort of has a pale grey color to it.
 
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Quoting macsog6 (Reply 34):
it just had to with the Airbus coming into service.

why? White/grey/NWA metallic for the bus and metal for the Boeing.

AA's management is doing this just to do it. smh.
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:26 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
It should be colored in a darker livery.

Alright Mister, what do you know that you are not telling us? Your post sounds like you know what the livery will look like - if so, tell us!

Quoting qf002 (Reply 15):
With some punchy red, white and blue waves up the side and a big AA on the tail, it would be very bold...

I actually agree. I think the dark grey - yes gloss it up - with red/white/blue will look stunning. And it will complement the new interiors, which also feature a charcoal grey seat. You gotta admit, no other US carrier will have anything approaching this. I've always loved the bare metal on AA, but this may make the transition go easier for me .....

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 20):
That's all good and well, but we need to lay the flag thing to rest; no US carrier prominently displays the US flag above door L2.

Plus, it looks like the flag is almost touching one of the windows. Even I could slap a sticker on straighter than that!

Quoting sabian404 (Reply 28):
The aircraft is currently sporting N717AN as the reg.

What does this mean? Is this registration an AA number?

Someone posted that they think the plane will be flown to PDX for painting and then flown in the dead of night to some reveal spot. Boeing has a huge paint facility right there - why wouldn't they just paint it right there? Plus, they gotta know that the A.net paparazzi squad will be staking out PDX if they tried a midnight flight with new livery.

How can I sleep without these questions answered?
 
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 39):
Alright Mister, what do you know that you are not telling us? Your post sounds like you know what the livery will look like - if so, tell us!

Wellll maybe this might be from my days hanging out at my buddy's detailing shop. Before he painted a car in a darker color, he always put a base coat of a dark shade of grey on it before putting the actual color on the car.


If it was supposed to be red, or a bright color, they would have a white or light grey base coat down before painting it in that fashion.


Not 100% on how airplanes work in that regard, but I'd assume it's the same concept  


Edit:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8092938824/
Looks light grey.
Light grey.....could be they're just painting the AA planes grey with red, white, and blue stripes  Sad

Aaaaaaaaaand there goes my hopes and dreams of a modern AA livery  Sad

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
that that flag is not painted on; it's in the foreground.

  


Regarding the paint, is it possible it will receive the same sort of silver/gray paint as seen on N569AS, the "Starliner 75" ? Under the right (wrong?) lighting conditions, it looks like a matte finish:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/7/7/1191775.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/3/0/1979035.jpg

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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
Wellll maybe this might be from my days hanging out at my buddy's detailing shop.

Ahah! I think you're right.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
Aaaaaaaaaand there goes my hopes and dreams of a modern AA livery

jeeeezzz, it does look almost white at night doesn't it? But don't give up hope - yet. At least we now have a definitive resolution of that darn flag!
 
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If the reg is N717AN, then it's 100% sure it's an aircraft for AA:

Here you have the registry information, as you will see, the aircraft is a 777-323, "23" being Boeing's customer code for AA:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=717AN
 
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:57 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 9):
today's weather has been lousy, to say the least. Very overcast and rain/drizzle all day. And it's not like the picture is very high-quality to begin with.

Personally, I'll reserve judgement until I see the finished product. . .
Quoting Mcoov (Reply 10):
I expect that this is a base coat.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Most airlines are highly secretive about new branding.

Yep, can't see any airline boosting about their new 'Grey' rebranding...............unless they want to cash in on the recent literary success of the poorly written "50 Shades....."

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 9):
that's actually a real flag on a pole above the delivery building next to the stall.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
if you look closely, you can see the flagpole rising from the apex of the roof of the low building immediately in front of the aircraft.

Looks that way to me too.
 
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Come on everyone this is a base coat of all white. This is not newsworthy yes it is AA's first 77W . It is newsworthy when it is painted in full livery and on the front page of A.net with a news banner.
 
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Quoting pdxswa (Reply 45):
Come on everyone this is a base coat of all white. This is not newsworthy yes it is AA's first 77W . It is newsworthy when it is painted in full livery and on the front page of A.net with a news banner.

The fact that an AA 777 has a base coat of anything is indeed newsworthy.
 
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Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 46):
The fact that an AA 777 has a base coat of anything is indeed newsworthy.

Agreed. Im actually looking forward to what they come up with.
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I quite like the idea of a dark charcoal or gunmetal metallic finish. I hope that's what they do.
 
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Quoting pdxswa (Reply 45):
Come on everyone this is a base coat of all white.



It's clearly grey, not white. Compare it to the 747 parked next to it.

I think that's the final colour. If it was just a base coat, would they really have painted the door outlines in a contrasting colour? It looks finished to me, bar the application of titles.
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