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Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:06 pm

Hello,

Some things to happen very soon : http://www.vuelinglive.com/

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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:17 pm

Maybe a new base? Just my 2c.. i'm taking a guess: Portugal?
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:23 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter):
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 1):

+- 30 new destinations from their BCN hub. Important expansion in Northern Europe and Germany (including Finland and LUX where VY is not present to date), new airports in Italy, France and Maghreb... and at last VY to London (LGW) from BCN.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:24 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):

Why would they launch flights to Luxemburg? Wouldn't that kill their Strasbourg flights?
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:26 pm

Longhaul.....?

must remember to check this thread out tomorrow to see what did happen!
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 3):

Why would they launch flights to Luxemburg? Wouldn't that kill their Strasbourg flights?

I hope not. I think that there is a market for both cities for Vueling. Wait and see
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:56 pm

I would be surprised if this announcement did not include Vueling's long awaited narrow body order, emphasising the implications it will have for new routes and network expansion. They are set to have made a decision by the end of this summer, so this timing would be right.

If so, my prediction is C Series (I can see either/both models working) and A320NEO, outside chance of a few firm or optional A321NEOs.


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[Edited 2012-10-16 06:59:35]
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:16 pm

According to Preferente.com a historical change for Vueling is about to be announced. My Spanish is not that good but I believe it says that that 10 planes will be added to the fleet and 20 new routes to Nordic countries, Germany and Africa will be announced.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:21 pm

Unrelated to this, but has VY ceased BCN-SOU? It no longer appears in its pull-down menu. I don't recall reading anything about it.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Unrelated to this, but has VY ceased BCN-SOU? It no longer appears in its pull-down menu. I don't recall reading anything about it.

Yes Vueling ended it and FlyBe have picked the route up with E95 equipment from next year, which is a better fit I think.


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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:40 pm

Maybe relocation away from BCN in fear of Catalan secession?

Off topic: while browsing through Spanish newspapers I read that Islas has shut down. Shame really, as they were cheaper than Binter who now have no competition in the Canaries. Don't know if that's already being discussed elsewhere.

Anyway, C-Series is very possible also.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:46 pm

A LIS base is possible - there is certainly a market for African destinations from here.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:46 pm

Islas Airways covered here...
Islas Airways In Trouble (by acelanzarote Oct 16 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:52 pm

Quoting 777klm (Reply 7):
According to Preferente.com a historical change for Vueling is about to be announced.

Preferente.com says VY are to announce the creation of 500 new jobs.
That would be way more than 2 full sets of crew plus the odd technician for 20 new a/c.

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 12):
Islas Airways covered here..

Found it, gracias.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
Yes Vueling ended it and FlyBe have picked the route up with E95 equipment from next year, which is a better fit I think.

Ah, yes. Thanks. I did a quick fare search and the minimum one-way all-in is a good £20-30 more than VY was charging which is completely unsurprising. As you said, it's probably more logical that BE is operating it - given its huge dominance and awareness in SOU's catchment, with most on SOU-BCN-SOU surely being UK outbound - and with a better-sized aircraft.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
As you said, it's probably more logical that BE is operating it - given its huge dominance and awareness in SOU's catchment, with most on SOU-BCN-SOU surely being UK outbound - and with a better-sized aircraft.

And presumably connections offered from it's other UK routes into SOU. No doubt Vueling would have also seen a feed from their hub at BCN, but this strikes me as a city break route, so I would expect it to fare better with the feed at the UK end.

Additionally they have also launched EXT-BCN twice weekly.


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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 15):
Additionally they have also launched EXT-BCN twice weekly.

My Dad actually phoned me about that.  
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 15):
And presumably connections offered from it's other UK routes into SOU.

Yep.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:27 pm

It is almost sure that the new destinations will be:

ALGIERS
BANJUL
BARI
BERGEN
CASABLANCA
CATANIA
DORTMUND
DRESDEN
DUSSELDORF
FEZ
FRANKFURT
FUERTEVENTURA
GOTHENBURG
HANNOVER
HELSINKI
KOS
LONDON-GATWICK
LUXEMBOURG
NADOR
ORAN
OSLO
PAMPLONA
RENNES
RODHES
SOFIA
STUTTGART
TANGER
VALLADOLID

Not all may be from BCN, though, but most yes. We've got that list from an internal script in Vueling's website.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:55 pm

A new base in LIS would be nice, as FR dominates in OPO and FAO. New CWL-AGP was announced a few weeks ago!
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 17):

If confirmed, that will be a huge increase in Germany. VY already serves MUC BER HAM and NUE. Now with FRA DUS STR HAJ DTM and DRS all the main airports will be connected to the Vueling' s network. Strong competitor for AB and 4U.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:32 pm

Maybe they will announce salary increase from 700 to 750 € for copilots. Let's wait and see.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:46 pm

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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting 777klm (Reply 21):
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/notici...a-100-destinos-proximo-ano-2227102
Confirmed

Can anyone translate this into English?
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:01 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 22):
Can anyone translate this into English?
Google translation
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:03 pm

I'll always take more Catania flights
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:24 pm

Rough translation

Vueling, the Barcelona based airline, will start in 2013 its fourth consecutive year of growth at the airport, it will launch 28 new routes bringin it to the magical number of 100 destinations served from the airport, with the intention to bring Barcelona in 2014 to the number one spot as a short and mediul haul hub (currently it ranks 2nd behind Frankfurt)

Of the new routes starting next summer (March 2013) the most relevant are: London LGW, Luxembourg and Frankfurt, as well as new flights to the German cities of Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Hannover, Stuttgart, France, Italy (Bolonia, Bari, Catania and Turin) and to Northern Europe (Bergen, Gothermburg and Oslo) there will also be new routes to destination never before linked from El Prat Airport such as Dresden, Rennes, Fez, Rhodes and Kos, the airline will also add 4 new countries to its network, Gambia (Banjul) Finland (Helsinki) Bulgaria (Sofia) and Luxembourg.

To cover the demand, the company will increase its fleet based in Barcelona from 34 aircraft to 43, and it will generate 500 new jobs distributed between pilots, cabin crews, support staff, etc.

With the new routes, Vueling will aim to attract leisure passengers, but also business travellers, with this in mind, the company will offer a new premium service called Excellence, that will offer ¨at a very competitive price¨ differentiated seats in the cabins, access to VIP lounges, priority boarding, onboard snack and total flexibility to change flights.

Well, I am happy for VY to continue growing and offering an alternative in BCN to the flying greyhound (FR) hope they continue doing good, and the LGW flight is a welcomed addition. let´s see how it turns out going head to head with U2.

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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
the LGW flight is a welcomed addition. let´s see how it turns out going head to head with U2

LGW-BCN is going to be a busy route next Summer with EZY, Vueling, BA and ZB all flying it.

However for Vueling London is a major gap in their BCN network, both for the BCN local market, and for passengers using BCN as a hub. BCN-LON has probably become a crictial market for Vueling to serve
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:57 pm

Thank you, MIAspotter  
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:02 am

Huge expansion, and great to see them doing it...

I really wanted to see a new base as well but it looks like it will take a bit of time more to open another one.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:21 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 26):
However for Vueling London is a major gap in their BCN network, both for the BCN local market, and for passengers using BCN as a hub. BCN-LON has probably become a crictial market for Vueling to serve

Indeed and it was also a considerable one when Spanair was operating, there was no direct Star Alliance link between BCN and LON, you had to connect trough other SA hubs (FRA/ZRH/LIS) you were at the mercy of OneWorld (BA) and U2 and FR.

London is a popular route from BCN either from UK PAX coming to visit, as well as for Spanish PAX going to London to either visit or work.

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Thank you, MIAspotter

You are welcomed.

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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:18 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
I am happy for VY to continue growing and offering an alternative in BCN to the flying greyhound (FR) hope they continue doing good, and the LGW flight is a welcomed addition. let´s see how it turns out going head to head with U2.

It is quite remarkable that VY has managed not only to survive, but to succeed and grow in a region already heavily served by FR and U2. Others cannot say the same (JK).
VY is positioned in a different segment than FR, it's a much classier LCC with more frills and services geared towards cost-conscious business pax. There are more similarities between VY and U2 however, but I feel VY has the upper hand at BCN because of the scale of their operations, being at their home base, plus the added benefit of connecting flights.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
the company will increase its fleet based in Barcelona from 34 aircraft to 43

9 new aircraft for 28 new routes gives about 3 routes per a/c, which is perfectly doable in a day. So it looks like frequencies will be attractive too. Will this mean a downscale by 9 a/c at IB or will they come from IB's outstanding A32x orders (currently rumored to go to BA)?

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
Frankfurt, as well as new flights to the German cities of Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Hannover, Stuttgart, Dresden

Massive expansion into Germany. It's a big market but also with competition from German leisure carriers, as well as AB (direct or via PMI), and LH for the higher-yield destinations - will be interesting to watch.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
the company will offer a new premium service called Excellence, that will offer ¨at a very competitive price¨ differentiated seats in the cabins, access to VIP lounges, priority boarding, onboard snack and total flexibility to change flights.

Interesting development, clearly oriented to BCN business pax. The line between legacies and LCC on short haul flights becomes ever more blurred, and will soon disappear completely.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:48 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
With the new routes, Vueling will aim to attract leisure passengers, but also business travellers, with this in mind, the company will offer a new premium service called Excellence, that will offer ¨at a very competitive price¨ differentiated seats in the cabins, access to VIP lounges, priority boarding, onboard snack and total flexibility to change flights.

I think they are doing a great job on adding this, BCN is a big business destination and offering cheap fares for everybody and then giving the chance to pay if you want something else is a great idea.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 30):
9 new aircraft for 28 new routes gives about 3 routes per a/c, which is perfectly doable in a day. So it looks like frequencies will be attractive too. Will this mean a downscale by 9 a/c at IB or will they come from IB's outstanding A32x orders (currently rumored to go to BA)?

I would love to see some more expansion in the other hubs as well, not only in BCN but they are now a real big player in Spain and Europe, the network in Spain, Italy, Germany and France is great, special mention to France and Morocco, where they are serving so many places.... And also a nice expansion towards Africa, I´m sure we will see more in the future.

Interesting that they don´t serve Geneva, I was really looking forward to see this route in the network, I´m sure it could be one good destinations with a big mix of business and leisure travelers. Same with Istambul.

Some of the new destinations are served only 2-3 per week. but here you have the full new routes.

Barcelona – Banjul eff 03APR13 2 weekly
VY7574 BCN1900 – 2235BJL 320 36
VY7575 BJL2330 – 0640+1BCN 320 36

Barcelona – Bergen eff 19MAY13 2 weekly
VY8514 BCN1155 – 1515BGO 320 37
VY8515 BGO1555 – 1905BCN 320 37

Barcelona – Bari eff 01APR13 2 weekly
VY6612 BCN1220 – 1420BRI 320 1
VY6612 BCN1740 – 1940BRI 320 5

VY6613 BRI1500 – 1710BCN 320 1
VY6614 BRI2020 – 2230BCN 320 5

Barcelona – Bologna eff 31MAR13 6 weekly
VY6522 BCN1240 – 1420BLQ 320 x6
VY6523 BLQ1500 – 1635BCN 320 x6

Barcelona – Casablanca eff 16MAY13 4 weekly
VY7340 BCN0640 – 0645CMN 320 7
VY7340 BCN0855 – 0900CMN 320 12
VY7340 BCN1950 – 1955CMN 320 4

VY7341 CMN0730 – 1130BCN 320 7
VY7341 CMN0945 – 1345BCN 320 12
VY7341 CMN2040 – 0040+1BCN 320 4

Operational schedule varies from 24JUN13

Barcelona – Catania eff 31MAR13 3 weekly
VY6534 BCN0800 – 1000CTA 320 27
VY6534 BCN1845 – 2045CTA 320 4

VY6535 CTA1040 – 1250BCN 320 27
VY6535 CTA2125 – 2335BCN 320 4

Operational schedule varies from 14JUN13

Barcelona – Dortmund eff 31MAR13 4 weekly
VY1832 BCN1135 – 1355DTM 320 x136
VY1833 DTM1435 – 1655BCN 320 x136

Barcelona – Dresden eff 31MAR13 3 weekly
VY1414 BCN1000 – 1230DRS 320 7
VY1414 BCN1155 – 1425DRS 320 24

VY1415 DRS1310 – 1525BCN 320 7
VY1415 DRS1505 – 1720BCN 320 24

Barcelona – Dusseldorf eff 31MAR13 10 weekly
VY1898 BCN0745 – 1005DUS 320 145
VY1896 BCN1000 – 1200DUS 320 6
VY1896 BCN1205 – 1425DUS 320 23
VY1896 BCN1735 – 1955DUS 320 x236*

VY1899 DUS1045 – 1255BCN 320 145
VY1897 DUS1300 – 1510BCN 320 6
VY1897 DUS1505 – 1715BCN 320 23
VY1897 DUS2035 – 2245BCN 320 x236*

*Service not operating from 17JUN13 until 16SEP13
**Operational schedule varies on/after 17JUN13

Barcelona – Fez eff 19MAY13 2 weekly
VY7352 BCN1050 – 1045FEZ 320 3
VY7352 BCN2110 – 2105FEZ 320 7

VY7353 FEZ1130 – 1515BCN 320 3
VY7353 FEZ2150 – 0135+1BCN 320 7

Operational schedule varies after 20JUN13

Barcelona – Frankfurt eff 31MAR13 12 weekly
VY1844 BCN0700 – 0910FRA 319 x7
VY1846 BCN1505 – 1715FRA 319 x6

VY1845 FRA0950 – 1145BCN 319 x7
VY1847 FRA1755 – 1950BCN 319 x6

Barcelona – Fuerteventura eff 31MAR13 2 weekly
VY3014 BCN0700 – 0920FUE 320 7
VY3014 BCN1600 – 1820FUE 320 3

VY3015 FUE0955 – 1355BCN 320 7
VY3015 FUE1855 – 2255BCN 320 3

Barcelona – Gothenburg eff 31MAR13 3 weekly
VY8526 BCN1215 – 1530GOT 320 247
VY8527 GOT1610 – 1915BCN 320 247

Barcelona – Hanover eff 31MAR13 3 weekly
VY1890 BCN1135 – 1400HAJ 320 24
VY1890 BCN1440 – 1705HAJ 320 7

VY1891 HAJ1435 – 1655BCN 320 24
VY1891 HAJ1740 – 2000BCN 320 7

Barcelona – Helsinki eff 17MAY13 3 weekly
VY8548 BCN1215 – 1715HEL 320 135
VY8549 HEL1755 – 2050BCN 320 135

Barcelona – Kos 26JUN13 – 12SEP13 1 weekly
VY7600 BCN2340 – 0350+1KGS 320 3
VY7601 KGS0435 – 0700BCN 320 4

Barcelona – London Gatwick eff 31MAR13 14 weekly
VY7822 BCN0700 – 0755LGW 320 D
VY7824 BCN1655 – 1750LGW 320 6
VY7824 BCN1745 – 1840LGW 320 x6

VY7823 LGW0835 – 1130BCN 320 D
VY7825 LGW1840 – 2135BCN 320 6
VY7825 LGW1920 – 2215BCN 320 x6

Barcelona – Luxembourg eff 17MAY13 4 weekly
VY8970 BCN1000 – 1205LUX 320 7
VY8970 BCN1155 – 1400LUX 320 135

VY8971 LUX1240 – 1430BCN 320 7
VY8971 LUX1435 – 1625BCN 320 135

Barcelona – Nador 19MAY13 – 25SEP13 2 weekly
VY7378 BCN2005 – 1945NDR 320 3
VY7378 BCN2145 – 2125NDR 320 7

VY7379 NDR2030 – 0005+1BCN 320 3
VY7370 NDR2210 – 0145+1BCN 320 7

Barcelona – Oslo eff 16MAY13 4 weekly
VY8538 BCN1155 – 1525OSL 320 x236
VY8539 OSL1600 – 1915BCN 320 x236

Barcelona – Pamplona eff 31MAR13 6 weekly
VY1480 BCN1205 – 1305PNA 320 x67
VY1480 BCN2045 – 2145PNA 320 7

VY1481 PNA1335 – 1430BCN 320 x67
VY1481 PNA2215 – 2310BCN 320 7

Operational schedule varies from 01JUN13

Barcelona – Rennes eff 31MAR13 3 weekly
VY1524 BCN1540 – 1715RNS 320 24
VY1524 BCN1945 – 2120RNS 320 7

VY1525 RNS1750 – 1920BCN 320 24
VY1525 RNS2155 – 2325BCN 320 7

Barcelona – Rhodes 22JUN13 – 15SEP13 2 weekly
VY7612 BCN2335 – 0355+1RHO 320 26
VY7613 RHO0435 – 0710BCN 320 37

Barcelona – Sofia 23JUN13 – 15SEP13 2 weekly
VY7636 BCN2355 – 0340+1SOF 320 37
VY7637 SOF0420 – 0620BCN 320 14

Barcelona – Stuttgart eff 31MAR13 6 weekly
VY1866 BCN1600 – 1800STR 320 x6
VY1867 STR1840 – 2025BCN 320 x6

Operational schedule varies from 22JUN13

Barcelona – Tangier eff 16MAY13 3 weekly
VY7364 BCN1320 – 1305TNG 320 6
VY7364 BCN1335 – 1320TNG 320 2
VY7364 BCN2105 – 2050TNG 320 4

VY7365 TNG1345 – 1725BCN 320 6
VY7365 TNG1410 – 1750BCN 320 2
VY7365 TNG2130 – 0110+1BCN 320 4

Operational schedule varies from 19JUN13

Barcelona – Turin eff 31MAR13 5 weekly
VY6514 BCN1020 – 1150TRN 320 x267
VY6514 BCN1130 – 1300TRN 320 7

VY6515 TRN1225 – 1355BCN 320 x267
VY6515 TRN1335 – 1505BCN 320 7

Operational schedule varies from 21JUN13

Barcelona – Valladolid eff 31MAR13 4 weekly
VY1584 BCN1120 – 1240VLL 320 135
VY1584 BCN2005 – 2125VLL 320 7

VY1585 VLL1320 – 1435BCN 320 135
VY1585 VLL2155 – 2310BCN 320 7
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:53 am

Great to finally see a Spanish carrier operating to Norway (Oslo, Bergen, Stavanger).
The leisure traffic - in particular - is considerable as Spain is the most popular sunshine holiday destination from here.

The market is dominated by Norwegian (DY), SAS (SK) and Ryanair (FR) today - flying to almost any major city with access to the sea. Madrid seems unfortunately to be a difficult destination to serve from Norway!
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:34 am

I am very skeptical about most of this even though I really like to see them grow. It seems more like a politically motivated move to me than a rational market orientated one. Let's see:
- everything new is ex BCN
- "they" (who? see below) want BCN to serve more short/medium haul destinations than any other European airport
- some of the new destinations simply will not have the market and revenue desired
- the involvement of Artur Mas

It would seem to me that they joined Mr Mas' irresponsible bandwagon of Catalan independence 'for whatever reason' (if you get my drift). They even copied his motto!

Bad developments at an airline I actually like(d).
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:28 am

Quoting r2rho (Reply 30):
VY is positioned in a different segment than FR, it's a much classier LCC with more frills and services geared towards cost-conscious business pax. There are more similarities between VY and U2

Yeah, very similar, although U2 still offers a more impeccable service.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 30):
9 new aircraft for 28 new routes gives about 3 routes per a/c, which is perfectly doable in a day. So it looks like frequencies will be attractive too. Will this mean a downscale by 9 a/c at IB or will they come from IB's outstanding A32x orders (currently rumored to go to BA)?

I catched the webcast a bit late, I heard they will be factory fresh, and existing planes will have a cabin makeover too, I hope it´s true, I have had 4 flights on VY this past 2 months, and on all legs, the seats were dirty, armrests were broken and shoddily fixed with tape, I actually think they are sourcing seats from a junkyard LOL.

Before, VY had most of their airplanes fitted with Slimline Recaro seats, I haven´t seen one in ages. Also they need to work on their legroom, shame to say it but FR offers slightly more space...

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 33):
- the involvement of Artur Mas

Yeah I wasn´t happy when he showed up in the webcast, his speech was just purely nonsense talking about how ¨Other flag carriers¨ simply turned their backs on BCN (IB) and Catalunya this... country that... a company betting on the future of the country, Spain is evil, etc etc...

It was the same with JK, the Airline of BCN, for all of us, they had ambitious plans (long haul) and it all went up in smoke. Now Mas is just holding onto the next best thing, anything to wave flags.

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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 31):
I would love to see some more expansion in the other hubs as well, not only in BCN

Agree, while nice to see them expand it is very BCN-centric. I would have liked to see growth in CDG or AMS for instance. BCN is great to serve Spain and the Mediterranean, but not for intra-EU connections.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 33):
- the involvement of Artur Mas

Agree - what is a local politician running for reelection doing at an airline press release? IMO it is more of a desperate move on his side rather than a true attempt at political involvement (though rest assured he will try to get involved if reelected). Since his previous dream of turning JK into the "Catalan flag carrier" failed, he's now grabbing onto the next thing available. But I think it's just typical election-time posing, nothing to be too worried about.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 34):
I have had 4 flights on VY this past 2 months, and on all legs, the seats were dirty, armrests were broken and shoddily fixed with tape, I actually think they are sourcing seats from a junkyard LOL.

Before, VY had most of their airplanes fitted with Slimline Recaro seats, I haven´t seen one in ages. Also they need to work on their legroom,

I caught one of each and yes, there were definitely differences in cabin quality. And they do need to work on the leg room, specially if they intend to attract higher-yielding pax.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 31):
Interesting that they don´t serve Geneva, I was really looking forward to see this route in the network, I´m sure it could be one good destinations with a big mix of business and leisure travelers.

GVA is well covered by U2 and LX.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 31):
Some of the new destinations are served only 2-3 per week.

But those are the leisure destinations. the business-heavy destinations are 5-7 times per week.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 33):
It would seem to me that they joined Mr Mas' irresponsible bandwagon of Catalan independence 'for whatever reason

Mr. Piqué, who runs VY, can't be further away from what you call "irresponsible bandwagon of Catalan independence," which, by the way, happens to have a solid support of the majority of the Catalan people...

Quoting r2rho (Reply 35):
IMO it is more of a desperate move on his side

Mr. Mas desperate? Are you following Catalan politics at all? He's looking at an outright majority in next month's election. Actually, all his opponents seem to be really desperate, running around like headless chicken talking nonsense, trying to position themselves in the sovereignty debate....
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:26 pm

The catalan Governmnt have little to do with Vueling. and do not foret that Vueling belongs to Iberia in at least 35%.

Artur Mas' presence, to me, was more like a PR thing, to five the whole act a higher profile. VY president Jose Piqué was part of PP, the party in power now and opposed to anthing to do with Independence.. he was even foreigh minister for a while and therefore not a supporter of Artur Mas's ideas (those bacled up by quite a majority in Catalonia).

so let;s not read to much into his presence... Vueling is anot government owned, they make their own decisions and they just presented to the world their latest expansionn plan. we all know that an airline to gro needs a hub and point to point routes help and VY have quite a few of those.

In the current situation to see an airline expand is good news and very few of those new destionations are brand new to barelona. CMN, BJL, GOT, HAJ, Greel islands, Germany, LGW all already exist in Barelona through otjer airlines.. and BCN is one of the very few airports in Spain and in Europe to actually grow, so why not VY take a share of this..

No single destination is too daring or frequency too high.. they are testing waters..

I would agree that some destinations could use a smaller aircraft, 320 are much too big (like Rennes, to ention one).. you will see adjustments for sure...

I would have liked to see some daring destinations like Beirut, Dubai, Accra.. dreaming comes for free...

Juts to say that this VY announcment is not related to any political situation, VY have been quite agressive for a while and filling the void of Iberia, that has not really introduced any new destinations in Europe, and also BCN's location is gregraphycally the best for connections to Europe (from spanish ports anyway).
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:27 am

It's a bit daft competing with their IAG friend BA on LGW-BCN.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:23 am

Quoting sydbcn (Reply 37):
Vueling belongs to Iberia in at least 35%.

IIRC it's somewhere around 45%, as far as financial participation is concerned. IB also owns all the aircraft at least initially (even for new deliveries VY does not purchase directly from Airbus but does so through IB). Effectively it acts as an IB subsidiary, as they coordinate their routes and networks too.

With VY, where other legacies have failed setting up LCC subisdiaries, IB has succeeded quite well. And LH is now trying to do the something very similar with 4U.

Quoting sydbcn (Reply 37):
No single destination is too daring or frequency too high.. they are testing waters..

I would agree that some destinations could use a smaller aircraft, 320 are much too big

Yes, the frequencies seem quite sensible, it's not an irrational expansion. I agree on the a/c size though, VY could use a couple A319's for certain routes.

Quoting richardw (Reply 38):
It's a bit daft competing with their IAG friend BA on LGW-BCN.

I think BA doesn't fly that anymore. They do BCN-LHR. Both routes are complementary IMO.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:34 am

VY already have about 3 A319´s in their fleet, all ex Iberia i think.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:46 am

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 40):
VY already have about 3 A319´s in their fleet, all ex Iberia i think.

They have 2.
EC-JXJ was their first A319 from Iberia.
The second is EC-LRS from Air Berlin.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:35 am

Plus EC-LRZ.... ex Air Berlin
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting realsim (Reply 17):
ALGIERS
BANJUL
BARI
BERGEN
CASABLANCA
CATANIA
DORTMUND
DRESDEN
DUSSELDORF
FEZ
FRANKFURT
FUERTEVENTURA
GOTHENBURG
HANNOVER
HELSINKI
KOS
LONDON-GATWICK
LUXEMBOURG
NADOR
ORAN
OSLO
PAMPLONA
RENNES
RODHES
SOFIA
STUTTGART
TANGER
VALLADOLID

When I 've heard about Vueling expanding, I hoped to see either LCA or PFO on their map but alas.

Quite interesting to see that smaller airports like KOS are included.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:36 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 39):
Quoting richardw (Reply 38):It's a bit daft competing with their IAG friend BA on LGW-BCN.
I think BA doesn't fly that anymore. They do BCN-LHR. Both routes are complementary IMO.

BA are starting 3 tomes daily LGW-BCN, hence the duplicity.. I agree, I would have gone for STN or MAN
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 39):
With VY, where other legacies have failed setting up LCC subisdiaries, IB has succeeded quite well.

Well, VY started up as something totally independent from IB (didn't people from B6 had something to do with the founding of VY?) and had quite some success. At the time IB tried Clickair, its real LCC subsidiary, which was not so successful. Eventually, IB decided to buy a controlling stake in VY and merge Clickair into it. And, yes, it seems that VY continues to be successful.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:54 am

Quoting UALWN (Reply 45):
IB decided to buy a controlling stake in VY

viz does IAG have a controlling stake in VY?
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting richardw (Reply 46):
viz does IAG have a controlling stake in VY?

I don't know. IB used to own something like 45% of VY. And now IAG owns IB (and BA), so...

I just looked up the composition of the board of directors of VY, and they all have Spanish-looking names... Iberia has 4 members out of 10.
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 36):
GVA is well covered by U2 and LX.

And Rome with FR and Alitalia, Paris with Air France and Ryanair, London with BA, FR, U2, but i´m sure Vueling can do good in a flight to Geneva, daily in the morning. Same than Istambul, growing market and very good mix of business and tourist.
 
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RE: Vueling Announcement At 1900 CET

Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 48):
And Rome with FR and Alitalia, Paris with Air France and Ryanair, London with BA, FR, U2

London and Paris are incomparably larger markets than Geneva. Rome is larger too. U2 and LX have each 3 flights per day between BCN and GVA. I'm not sure there's room for much more. Maybe there is.
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