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Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:41 pm

Hello,

Yesterday, when flying Delta from DEN-DTW, I noticed a Delta A320 with the registration NXXXNC. Why wouldn't this aircraft have the NW registration number, or Delta? Did North Central or Republic order A320s? I find it hard to believe that NC would have, I don't even think the aircraft was in development when they changed their name to Republic.

Thanks!

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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:48 pm

N375NC was delivered to NW in 2006 from the factory. It operated DAL2220 from SEA to DTW yesterday, so I assume you saw it in DTW?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...C/history/20121015/1630Z/KSEA/KDTW

I don't know why the registration is N375NC though.
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:50 pm

Thanks, is that the only aircraft with the NC registration? Also, I'm not sure if you can help me with this, but I forgot to look at the registration number of the DC-9-50 that operated Delta 2165 (DTW-ORD) yesterday (10/15/12). Thanks.

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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:52 pm

Ship 3275 (N375NC) carries an -NC registration, presumably because N375US and N375NW were taken. The other 320s all carry -US or -NW registrations. With a couple of exceptions, Ships 3201 to 3225 are -US and the remainder are -NW.

All 319s carry -NB registrations, sequential starting with N301NB. All 330s carry -NW registrations (the 333s begin at N801NW, the 332s at N850NW). The 744s are similarly sequential starting with N661US. PMNW 757s start sequentially at N501US and, similar to the 320s, jump over to N5xxNW registrations around Ship 5650. 753s are N581NW to N596NW. I will not attempt to explain the -9s, as they are a mess.

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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 2):
Thanks, and how did you know the aircraft number was 375? I just found the slip of paper it was scribbled on after posting this and you are correct!

I found it on airfleets.net. If you type in Delta on the search bar and choose Delta Airlines it will bring you to a sheet with all their fleet info (past/present) and this should be sufficient!  
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:57 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
N375NC was delivered to NW in 2006 from the factory.

A small correction: it was delivered in 2002.
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
I don't know why the registration is N375NC though.

Simple reason. At the time the NW A320 was delivered, N375NW was assigned to a Gulfstream G-3 business jet. It was re-registered N375LT at some point and N375NW is currently unassigned according to the FAA registry database.


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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 5):

A small correction: it was delivered in 2002.

Whoops, hit the wrong key! Thanks for pointing that out!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Simple reason. At the time the NW A320 was delivered, N375NW was assigned to a Gulfstream G-3 business jet. It was re-registered N375LT at some point and N375NW is currently unassigned according to the FAA registry database.

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N375NW were taken

Hmm.... I looked around and couldn;t find anything. Guess I didn't look hard enough!
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:19 pm

There's also A320 Tail #3250 which is N350NA.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 8):
There's also A320 Tail #3250 which is N350NA.

Looks like a similar situation to 3275, as there's a Bonanza that carries N350NW. It is apparently located at the bottom of Lake Norman, North Carolina at present.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:25 pm

Also 375US was assigned to a 737-300 until it was cancelled on 7/25/2006.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
Hmm.... I looked around and couldn;t find anything. Guess I didn't look hard enough!

Don't know if you knew about this, but this is a good starting point

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnum_inquiry.aspx
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
I will not attempt to explain the -9s, as they are a mess.

To the best of my knowledge, they carry the registration from their previous owners: NC for North Central, MC for Muse Air/TranStar, & EA for Eastern. Not sure I know the reason for N600TR, though.
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
To the best of my knowledge, they carry the registration from their previous owners: NC for North Central, MC for Muse Air/TranStar, & EA for Eastern. Not sure I know the reason for N600TR, though.

For the NC/MC/EA birds, that's correct. I think that's all the -50s except the aforementioned N600TR, which I just flew a few months ago IIRC. I think all -40s carried N7xxNW registrations, beginning with N750NW. The -10s and -30s were really the ones that were a mess; many registrations that ended in -E and -U and there were even a couple that were all numbers like N9333.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:59 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
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Don't know why it's NC in the first place but to answer the question that may pop up, why isn't it DL or DA now or something, DL really doesn't care about regs. They have some pretty strange ones out there. Kinda makes my OCD sad but I guess they're smart to not waste money on something dumb like that
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Don't know why it's NC in the first place but to answer the question that may pop up, why isn't it DL or DA now or something, DL really doesn't care about regs. They have some pretty strange ones out there. Kinda makes my OCD sad but I guess they're smart to not waste money on something dumb like that

Right. All they care about is the ship number which is what they change but not the registration. In fact, I don't really know our a/c but the registration but rather the ship number (738s - 37XX, 73G - 36XX, PMDL 757s - 6XX/67XX, etc.)
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:22 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 14):
All they care about is the ship number which is what they change but not the registration.

Which NW fleet numbers changed? IIRC, the airbii (31xx, 32xx and 33xx with xx as the last two digits of the registration) did not.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):

Don't know if you knew about this, but this is a good starting point

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu....aspx

I didn;t know about that. Thanks!  
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I know, but if you type in Delta on airfleets, it has it as Delta Airlines so I figured I'd explain it that way so it simpler.
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:28 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Which NW fleet numbers changed? IIRC, the airbii (31xx, 32xx and 33xx with xx as the last two digits of the registration) did not.

They didn't mess with the NW a/c. I'm just talking in general. Most recent example being N624AG (ship 6818 to fall in line with the other 75Es).
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:35 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
They didn't mess with the NW a/c. I'm just talking in general. Most recent example being N624AG (ship 6818 to fall in line with the other 75Es).

FWIW is they did change the 73W ship numbers due to them being the same as the 319s.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11), "Not sure I know the reason for N600TR, though."

ScottB, Northwest Airlines purchased N600TR from TransTiger Leasing Corporation.

Here's a brief history of DC9-51, N600TR, c/n 47783, Delta Air Lines ship 9886.

The aircraft was originally manufactured for Swissair in 1979 and registered HB-ISV, "Winkel." From 1988 - 1992, Swissair leased the aircraft to Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela as YV-40C. Then, it was sold to TransTiger Leasing Corporation--a subsidiary of Flying Tigers Airlines--and re-registered N600TR.

Northwest purchased N600TR from TransTiger Leasing Corporation in 1995.

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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12), "there were even a couple that were all numbers like N9333."

Those aircraft--with all numbers in the registration--were the DC-9s originally owned by Hughes Airwest.

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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 2), "I forgot to look at the registration number of the DC-9-50 that operated Delta 2165 (DTW-ORD) yesterday (10/15/12). Thanks."

Delta Air Lines flight 2165, DTW-ORD on 15 October 2012 was operated by DC9-51 N784NC, ship 9875, c/n 48109.

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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:36 pm

This sort of thing happens with other airlines as well. Before it was re-registered after the merger, US had a 757 that was N625VJ, which I flew in 2001. I'm assuming that N625AU (AU being common for their 757s) and N625US were both taken, so it seemed cool to see them choose the "VJ" suffix which was a staple of their DC-9 fleet.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting e38 (Reply 20):

Delta Air Lines flight 2165, DTW-ORD on 15 October 2012 was operated by DC9-51 N784NC, ship 9875, c/n 48109.

Thank You! Did these Republic birds have rear galleys, similar to Eastern's DC-9-50s?
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Don't know why it's NC in the first place but to answer the question that may pop up, why isn't it DL or DA now or something, DL really doesn't care about regs. They have some pretty strange ones out there. Kinda makes my OCD sad but I guess they're smart to not waste money on something dumb like that

I find that DL historically has never changed the registration for any aircraft unless it it already in use. Those delivered straight from the factory are never changed, hence why the original BE outfitted 764s are all N8XXMH. This being said, I bet that's why there are almost no changes to DL's fleet numbers, even the 73Ws as mentioned above were delivered from the factory with dairy queen instead of DA or DL.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:45 pm

Quoting xjramper (Reply 23):
This being said, I bet that's why there are almost no changes to DL's fleet numbers, even the 73Ws as mentioned above were delivered from the factory with dairy queen instead of DA or DL.

I'm pretty sure the "DQ" suffix was chosen by DL (not by Boeing), however, DL switched to the more standard "DE" suffix for later deliveries (which is also used for some MD-88s, domestic 763s, and formerly the MD-11s and some 733s).

As for the 764ERs, N825MH was a registration chosen by Boeing for the prototype aircraft, and DL didn't want to spend to money to change it, so DL registered the rest of the fleet N826MH-N845MH for consistency.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 22), "Did these Republic birds have rear galleys, similar to Eastern's DC-9-50s?"

TWA1985, whoa, this is stretching those brain memory cells! The last time I was on a Republic DC9-51 was in 1982 and to the best of my recollection, the Republic DC9-51 fleet did NOT have rear galleys. I think that was fairly consistent with the "intended" short haul nature of the Republic network. The route I was on for these flights was Detroit - Kansas City (roundtrip) and it was a "beverage-only" inflight service.

Ironically, the aircraft on these flights were N784NC (Republic flight 593, DTW-MCI on June 2, 1982) and N777NC (Republic flight 592, MCI-DTW on June 9, 1982).

Wow, those aircraft get around!

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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:12 am

getting together a bunch of sequential registration numbers is not the LEAST bit easy UA and CO have both ordered 787's
herels where the Sequential N Numbers come in tricky. UA already flies 55 A319's with the N numbers 801-855UA nose numbers 4001-4055. Since the N numbers are already spoken for the conundrum will be where do we register the coming 787's?? There are still 747's flying with N80xxU numbers.
I'm sure Delta would love to have all sequential Tail numbers but that's NOT going to happen and I know someone who registered an airplane N616UA waiting for UAL to ask them to swap that number and to try and extort $25K-50K for the number. UAL bypassed the number all together for the B767-222's
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:24 am

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Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 26):
herels where the Sequential N Numbers come in tricky. UA already flies 55 A319's with the N numbers 801-855UA nose numbers 4001-4055. Since the N numbers are already spoken for the conundrum will be where do we register the coming 787's?? There are still 747's flying with N80xxU numbers.

For operational purposes aren't the nose/tail numbers much more important than the registrations? You can do whatever you want with your own internal numbers. What's the benefit of sequential registrations? They're basically the equivalent of car license plates. I doubt trucking, taxi, or car rental companies waste time trying to get sequential license plate numbers. What am I missing?
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 27):
For operational purposes aren't the nose/tail numbers much more important than the registrations?

Some carriers - like WN - make an effort to make them close to each other. That's not a peculiarly American thing; IIRC, all AF tail "numbers" are just the last two characters of the registration.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):

Now this is just impressive! I remember all of our 752 numbers and we were just getting the 753's when i left NW but with all the different layout DL 757's that are now mixed in i am hoping for a former NW 757 on my next trip to the Carribean...this info will greatly help...wish i knew which one i was on last time...we flew ATLSXM with no comment from the cockpit after a huge boom during pushback, lost all power, sat for 5 minutes in total silence and continued on...at some point i noticed we were completely missing the rear engine pylon that covers the flap controls...needless to say that was a slightly nerve wrecking flight..no issues though. Ill always think it just didnt seem right.
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting xjramper (Reply 23):
even the 73Ws as mentioned above were delivered from the factory with dairy queen instead of DA or DL.

note...the last few ships changed to NXXXDE.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):
I'm pretty sure the "DQ" suffix was chosen by DL (not by Boeing),

dairy queen was picked by Delta because the normal DA/DL/DN/DE were all taken. Delta still, IIRC, has 40 is NXXXDQ and DE numbers held for any top off of the 73W fleet.

Quoting xjramper (Reply 23):
hence why the original BE outfitted 764s are all N8XXMH

all 21 764s were MH. (and all were domestic birds at the start of their DL careers)
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:03 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Don't know why it's NC in the first place but to answer the question that may pop up, why isn't it DL or DA now or something, DL really doesn't care about regs. They have some pretty strange ones out there. Kinda makes my OCD sad but I guess they're smart to not waste money on something dumb like that

However, there were a couple of MD-90's with NW registrations due to something with the ship numbers, then they were re-registered.
 
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:25 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
PMNW 757s start sequentially at N501US and, similar to the 320s, jump over to N5xxNW registrations around Ship 5650.

The 55xx ship numbers are the 752s with the mini exit door behind the wing - the configuration originally intended to allow for a smoking section in the back of the cabin. The 56xx series have the overwing window exits.

WIth regard to N numbers, ] for the most part the 55xx series is N5xxUS and the 56xx series is N5xxNW. A few of the 56xxs end in US.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:58 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 32):
The 55xx ship numbers are the 752s with the mini exit door behind the wing - the configuration originally intended to allow for a smoking section in the back of the cabin.

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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 32):
WIth regard to N numbers, ] for the most part the 55xx series is N5xxUS and the 56xx series is N5xxNW. A few of the 56xxs end in US.

Actually there are 15 5600 series 752s ending in "US" and 8 5600 series 752s ending in "NW" So there are more 5600 series ending in "US" then there are ending in "NW"
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 34):
Actually there are 15 5600 series 752s ending in "US" and 8 5600 series 752s ending in "NW" So there are more 5600 series ending in "US" then there are ending in "NW"

As far as US versus NW on the 752s, it has more to do with age and order sequence than with 5500 versus 5600.

NW 752s basically came in three batches. The first batch (~35 frames) came in 1985 to 1988 and are registered N501US to N534US. These are all 5500 series aircraft. (Incidentally, Republic placed a ~6 aircraft order for 752s, and NW did operate these aircraft briefly. They all went to HP in the late 80s.)

The next batch of 752s, N536US to N549US, came in 1996 and 1996. These are 5600 series aircraft.

The final batch of 752s came with the 753 order and carry -NW registrations. These are N551NW to N557NW. These are also 5600 series aircraft.

I believe it is true that all 5500 series 752s have -US registrations. 5600s are a mix. "Old" 5600s are -US, while "new" 5600s are -NW, but I don't believe there's any way to tell the two sets of -5600s apart on the inside.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:00 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 35):
The final batch of 752s came with the 753 order and carry -NW registrations. These are N551NW to N557NW. These are also 5600 series aircraft.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a N550NW?
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:39 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 34):
Actually there are 15 5600 series 752s ending in "US"

How many of those are active in the fleet vs. parked?
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:07 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 36):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a N550NW?

That is correct. It is the first of the "new batch" of 5600 series aircraft.

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 37):
How many of those are active in the fleet vs. parked?

All 5600 series aircraft are active.
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RE: Delta A320 With NC Registration

Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:00 pm

And just to add . . .at ATL ive seen quite a few TW series, . . kinda cool actually. . . .havent seen any PA yet . . .wonder if there even out there . ..

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