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SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:15 am

Flight global tweeted that: "Singapore Airlines orders $7.7bn worth of jets - 5 #Airbus A380s and 20 A350s, plus low-cost arm Scoot will take 20 of SIA's #Boeing 787-9s"

Very interesting. I'm please Scoot will get new planes. I enjoyed their service.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:18 am

Looks like they're trying to keep up with the Joneses (aka Emirates)
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:19 am

Good news for the A380 program!
 
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:36 am

Wow, great news indeed for the A380 program, hopefully the first of many repeat orders for not only SQ but the others who have the type as well.
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:38 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):
Good news for the A380 program!

Maybe even better news for the A350!
 
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:44 am

Amazing news for both A380 and A350 programs!
Hopefully more re-orders to come for the A380...wondering which airline will be next   
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:47 am

I guess that answers the question if if SIA will or won't get 787-10s.  
Congratulations to Airbus and SIA. Always good to see more A380 sales.
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:49 am

and very interesting that the 787s are being moved from the mainline to the locost airline - looks like SIA needs the extra capacity of the A350 over the 789 - assuming that theses are for the A359 or A35J.

Great news for the A380 programme and the third customer to place a third order 
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:49 am

Just saw also on Twitter that SQ ends EWR and LAX Nonstop-Service ...
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:52 am

Here is the flightglobal article.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...0s-transfers-787s-to-scoot-378005/

Deliveries from 2017 (assuming that is for both A350's and A380's).

How long do SQ usually keep their airplanes?

By the time the new order starts delivery, their oldest A380's will be 10+ years old. Not that I think they will be replaced, but is weird to think that the aircraft will already be a decade old!

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Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:58 am

That is 60 more RR Trents for SIA.

Not a bad day's business for Derby.   
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:10 am

Just wondering if they might of picked up the IT slots on the cheap as this order has got to be doomed as IT haven't currently got and AOC and only had 2 planes that weren't grounded!
 
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:12 am

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 9):

Just saw also on Twitter that SQ ends EWR and LAX Nonstop-Service ...

See: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...pore_business/view/1233225/1/.html

Airbus will take back the 5 A340-500s and SQ will stop non-stop service due to "lack of replacement aircraft in its fleet with "sufficient range and operating economics"".

So no 777LRs, but will it be resumed with a variant of the A350???
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:18 am

Good news for the A380 program in a difficult year.
Those A350s will surely replace the last of the 772s.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:24 am

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
Not a bad day's business for Derby.

I suspect they will be manufactured in the new Singapore facility, though?
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):
So no 777LRs, but will it be resumed with a variant of the A350???

There was talk at launch time of a A359R but this has been mentioned for several years now.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:44 am

Quoting maxter (Reply 3):
Wow, great news indeed for the A380 program, hopefully the first of many repeat orders for not only SQ but the others who have the type as well.

  

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Maybe even better news for the A350!

I looked for some clue as to which variant of the A350 had been ordered. I guess the default is to assume more A359's

If it is more A359's, that might give us a bit of context around the reports that SQ are also lead candidates for the 787-10 - by which I mean it might be good evidence that the two types can be quite logically operated side-by-side

If they turn out to be A350-1000's then that provides context in a different way  
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Looks like they're trying to keep up with the Joneses

Very first response, too   

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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):Good news for the A380 program!
Maybe even better news for the A350!

The A380 needs the orders more than the A350. I was starting to get worried about the lack of orders for VLA.

As I said in another thread, SQ's follow up order for the A350is more than logical:

Quoting na (Reply 14):
Those A350s will surely replace the last of the 772s.

Their existing order for A350s should take care of that.This additional order might very well be to replace some 77W's as well, in 2018 the oldest will be 12 years old, SQ usually doesn't keep their airplanes longer than that.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 7):
I guess that answers the question if if SIA will or won't get 787-10s.

I don't know, rumor was they could be launch customer of the 787-10, to replace the A333s which are on short lease.
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting astuteman (Reply 17):
I looked for some clue as to which variant of the A350 had been ordered. I guess the default is to assume more A359's

Airbus just put up their release indicating -900s:

"As with the earlier A350 order, the A350-900 variant has been selected for the 20 additional aircraft"
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...to-order-more-a380s-and-a350-xwbs/

I hope AF manages to firm their order this year to place the A350 firmly in the black with 40+ net.

[Edited 2012-10-24 03:49:22]
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
I hope AF manages to firm their order this year to place the A350 firmly in the black with 40+ net.

As a long shot we might just also get the IAG decision on widebody twns which coudl be another 25-50 planes. If those two happens a disapointing year for the A350 could end up being a bumper one.
 
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:54 am

Great news  

Congrats to SIA & Airbus , waiting for EKs A380 order....   

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...to-order-more-a380s-and-a350-xwbs/

//Mike   

[Edited 2012-10-24 03:57:03]

[Edited 2012-10-24 04:02:12]
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:00 am

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):
Airbus will take back the 5 A340-500s and SQ will stop non-stop service due to "lack of replacement aircraft in its fleet with "sufficient range and operating economics"".

[quote=scouseflyer,reply=16]Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):So no 777LRs, but will it be resumed with a variant of the A350???
There was talk at launch time of a A359R but this has been mentioned for several years now.

I think this could signal the end of long thin ULH routes - they just don't work in today's environment.
It could also make A and B think twice about committing big dollars to developing future ULH derivatives when there is a much more lucrative market for medium range low CASM derivatives such as the 787-10.
Unless the 359R is part of a freighter program (like the 77L/77F) it might not see the light of day.


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[Edited 2012-10-24 04:02:03]
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:08 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 18):
Their existing order for A350s should take care of that.This additional order might very well be to replace some 77W's as well, in 2018 the oldest will be 12 years old, SQ usually doesn't keep their airplanes longer than that.

You´re right with that. Like EK SQ will certainly start replacing the oldest 77Ws by 2016-18.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:09 am

Quoting PM (Reply 11):

That is 60 more RR Trents for SIA.

Not a bad day's business for Derby.

Indeed!
Slightly odd that the engine choice for the 787s STILL hasn't been made. I can only speculate that SQ want Trents, but that they aren't happy with the price RR are offering.
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:12 am

"I looked for some clue as to which variant of the A350 had been ordered. I guess the default is to assume more A359's"

@ Astuteman - before Airbus confirmed them as 359s, I saw the clue in 2017 as the being the date of delivery commencement...
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:29 am

Good news for the A380 and A350. Interesting that the 787s will be assigned to Scoot - presumably to be used as 9-across regional 'people movers'.

The big question now is, where does this leave the 787 at SQ mainline? In theory, at least, the 787-10 would make a good A330-300 replacement for shorter, regional flights. But why not convert the existing order for -9s, why move them off to Scoot?
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):
Good news for the A380 program!

Maybe even better news for the A350!

You are probably correct.  .

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 8):
and very interesting that the 787s are being moved from the mainline to the low-cost airline - looks like SIA needs the extra capacity of the A350 over the 789 - assuming that theses are for the A359 or A35J.

That is very interesting. But it also means that SQ are very serious about Scoot. So good news for the customers of Scoot as well.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 8):
Great news for the A380 programme and the third customer to place a third order 

It sure is. Makes my day.  .

Quoting astuteman (Reply 17):
I looked for some clue as to which variant of the A350 had been ordered. I guess the default is to assume more A359's

Even with the confirmation that the order is for A359's, Airbus have made clear that customers can relatively easy convert to A350-1000's.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 17):
If they turn out to be A350-1000's then that provides context in a different way

That would be something, wouldn't it? .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
Interesting that the 787s will be assigned to Scoot - presumably to be used as 9-across regional 'people movers'.

But high quality "people movers" imho. Scoot will in that respect (almost) be on par with the main product SQ is offering.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
The big question now is, where does this leave the 787 at SQ mainline? In theory, at least, the 787-10 would make a good A330-300 replacement for shorter, regional flights. But why not convert the existing order for -9s, why move them off to Scoot?

Maybe since they are very serious as well about Scoot. I can not think of any other reason right now, but maybe we will learn more about this decision in the future? For what it's worth, I can completely agree with your theory.  .
 
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:44 am

Hmm..AI has 5 77Ls for sale, i wonder............
 
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 12):
Just wondering if they might of picked up the IT slots on the cheap as this order has got to be doomed as IT haven't currently got and AOC and only had 2 planes that weren't grounded!

Potentially SQ's other investment's (other than Scoot) A380 order too, VS that is.
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
That is 60 more RR Trents for SIA.

Not a bad day's business for Derby.

I missed this one.  Wink. That is of course another nice component of this significant order for WB-planes from SQ for their main airline product. Derby will surely be pleased. As are some "fans" of RR engines.  

[Edited 2012-10-24 04:48:29]
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:48 am

Surprising to see SIA will NOT be using the 787-9 for its range.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:57 am

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
replace some 77W's as well, in 2018 the oldest will be 12 years old, SQ usually doesn't keep their airplanes longer than that.

Which suggests that the early A380s will start to be rolled over for the latest models. Another sign that there will be a glut of early A380s to be found a home for in a few years.


a quote from FG backs this up:

The airline says its decision to retire the A340s is in line with its "policy to maintain a young fleet".

[Edited 2012-10-24 05:01:07]
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:58 am

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 27):

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
The big question now is, where does this leave the 787 at SQ mainline? In theory, at least, the 787-10 would make a good A330-300 replacement for shorter, regional flights. But why not convert the existing order for -9s, why move them off to Scoot?

Maybe since they are very serious as well about Scoot. I can not think of any other reason right now, but maybe we will learn more about this decision in the future? For what it's worth, I can completely agree with your theory.  .

With 19 relatively new A333s in service and 15 more on order, why does SQ need the 787s before 2020? The 787s were originally planned for intra-asia and Australia services to replace the 772s but those are now handled by the A333s. For long haul, the 787s are too narrow to efficiently handle the J class seats (see pitch difference between A345 and 77W for what appears to be the same seat)
 
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:15 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 33):
With 19 relatively new A333s in service and 15 more on order, why does SQ need the 787s before 2020?

Because the A333 are leased for just 5-6 years each.
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[Edited 2012-10-24 05:18:22]
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting Fraport (Reply 34):
Because the A333 are leased for just 5-6 years each.

Yes they do have short leases, but if you are going to replace them with 787s, why buy 15 more?
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:36 pm

Great news for SQ, Airbus and Boeing, congratulations. So which airlines have placed follow up orders for the A380 so far? Only EK?

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Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 35):
Quoting Fraport (Reply 34):
Because the A333 are leased for just 5-6 years each.

Yes they do have short leases,

....which presumably the leasing companies would be entirely happy to extend if SQ asked!
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:59 pm

What a shame the LAX & EWR non-stops are going. Guess that'll leave DXB-LAX then as the longest non-stop ?
Maybe AI can pay SQ a visit and try to get them to take the 5 77L's, but I don't think SQ have ever purchased second hand aircraft before.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:05 pm

Looks like Airbus found a customer for Kingfisher's A380s.
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 36):
Great news for SQ, Airbus and Boeing, congratulations. So which airlines have placed follow up orders for the A380 so far? Only EK?

Nope.
Here's the full list of A380 customers that have placed add-on orders, by date of their initial order:
Emirates
Air France
Singapore Airlines
Qantas
Lufthansa
Korean Air
Qatar Airways
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 9):
Just saw also on Twitter that SQ ends EWR and LAX Nonstop-Service ...
Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):
Airbus will take back the 5 A340-500s and SQ will stop non-stop service due to "lack of replacement aircraft in its fleet with "sufficient range and operating economics"".

Wow, ULH is so great it's going away. What a surprise . I'm surprised they held on this long.
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:11 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 33):
With 19 relatively new A333s in service and 15 more on order, why does SQ need the 787s before 2020? The 787s were originally planned for intra-asia and Australia services to replace the 772s but those are now handled by the A333s. For long haul, the 787s are too narrow to efficiently handle the J class seats (see pitch difference between A345 and 77W for what appears to be the same seat)

Cathay and now SIA have huge A350-900 orders, are these to replace A330's flying regionally or 777 flying to Europe and the USA ? With the Cathay A350-1000 order, JFK and LHR seem to be in its future for Cathay. SO what will replace the current A330-300's ? More A330's in 5 years.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:34 pm

Very interesting news. Does this mean that the A350 has been identified as the main replacement for regional A330 flying? That doesn't strike me as a very strong move, given how well SQ has used the 777/A330 combo in this generation of aircraft...

Quoting TC957 (Reply 38):
Guess that'll leave DXB-LAX then as the longest non-stop ?

SYD-DFW.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:37 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 32):
The airline says its decision to retire the A340s is in line with its "policy to maintain a young fleet".

I don't buy this at all. Introducing the A380 on the JFK route probably had greater impact. Overnight, SQ nearly doubled the number of J seats on the JFK-FRA-SIN route. They probably also saw some passengers chose the A380 vs. the A435 even if it meant a stop in FRA.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
Flight global tweeted that: "Singapore Airlines orders $7.7bn worth of jets - 5 #Airbus A380s and 20 A350s, plus low-cost arm Scoot will take 20 of SIA's #Boeing 787-9s"

Very interesting. I'm please Scoot will get new planes. I enjoyed their service.

Wonderful news for Airbus and SQ! I always found it odd having a fleet of 19 380s...

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Looks like they're trying to keep up with the Joneses (aka Emirates)

I have no idea as to what your getting at with that comment...?!$&@&$!?

Your seriously comparing SQ with EK?

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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting anfromme (Reply 40):
Nope.
Here's the full list of A380 customers that have placed add-on orders, by date of their initial order:
Emirates
Air France
Singapore Airlines
Qantas
Lufthansa
Korean Air
Qatar Airways

Didn't Etihad also add on some a380's?
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 32):
The airline says its decision to retire the A340s is in line with its "policy to maintain a young fleet".

And not lose money on 17+ hour flights.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 44):

I don't buy this at all.

   If the flights were making money they'd either keep the aircraft or find a replacement. Airlines don't cut profitable flying.
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RE: SIA Order More A380, Scoot Get 787

Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
The big question now is, where does this leave the 787 at SQ mainline? In theory, at least, the 787-10 would make a good A330-300 replacement for shorter, regional flights. But why not convert the existing order for -9s, why move them off to Scoot?

SQ has more A330-300s coming, so would they need the 787-9 at the same time? Sending them off to Scoot will give them an economic advantage over their competition flying older types.

I believe this gives a bit more credence to SQ ordering the 787-10X for mainline, as the later delivery dates track better to A330-300 lease returns.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 38):
What a shame the LAX & EWR non-stops are going.

As per the FG article, the above flights will stop in late 2013.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
The big question now is, where does this leave the 787 at SQ mainline?

Perhaps 787 is too narrow for 9-abreast Y at SQ. Will 787-10 at 8-abreast Y be as attractive as a A333 replacement for SQ?
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting anfromme (Reply 40):
Quoting A388 (Reply 36):
Great news for SQ, Airbus and Boeing, congratulations. So which airlines have placed follow up orders for the A380 so far? Only EK?

Nope.
Here's the full list of A380 customers that have placed add-on orders, by date of their initial order:
Emirates
Air France
Singapore Airlines
Qantas
Lufthansa
Korean Air
Qatar Airways

As added previously EY has topped up as did Skymark. KE is the other one that ordered more than twice placing follow ups for 3 then 2 which still expect to be followed by an order for a single frame at some point