EVA744
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Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 3:45 am

Why is it that airlines are continually, when you go to a website, not posting routes, but instead just putting a symbol on the city they fly to? USAirways, Delta, CSA, others all do it.
Thoughts?
Please don't say because they are continually adding more flights point-to-point, because that still would not warrant "no line route maps".
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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 3:50 am

Most likely because the sheer number of "lines" in/out of any hub(s) would likely be illegible, hard to follow, and obliterate anything underneath it on the map. Clutter, basically. (IMHO)
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Here Is A Dated Page ... But

Thu Oct 19, 2000 4:27 am

Here you go ... 1 out of 6 links works as it is old. It is my old page. http://www.angelfire.com/ga/retroaero/maps.html see what you can find.

if you guys have updated Route Map addresses for airlines that are not working or not shown on this page ... let me know.
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Air France Network

Thu Oct 19, 2000 4:39 am

Hello,

Air France is:

http://www.airfrance.com/double6/passage.nsf/(LookupPublishedWeb)/en-PDTDE-homedestinations?OpenDocument

Click here

It has apparently changed since you added your link.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: Air France Network

Thu Oct 19, 2000 7:46 am

That is a start ... They at least put what routes are served non-stop. Other airlines just have dots and you are supposed to figure out your own routing or check a time table. I thought the point of the route map was so you didn't have to do that time consuming crap to figure out a routing. hence the term "route map". Oh EVA is it ok that i post here ... I am a full fledged "Route Map CEO".!    


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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:30 am

There are only a select few U.S. airlines that still have route maps with lines. They are Midwest Express, Midway Airlines, Frontier, TWA and America West. Their route maps can be found at each airline's website.
 
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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:49 am

Be sure to add Airtran to the list of airline websites that offer a "real" route map.

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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:49 am

Add United to the list. United's route maps are IMO the most comprehensive.
 
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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 9:43 am

Actually it also relates to limitations of web design. When you're designing for the lowest-common-denominator computer with a slow connection you want to keep the image size in pixels and in kilobytes to a minimum.

So for a small route map appropriate to a website, it may not make sense to have those lines, as they might likely be illegible anyhow.
 
BritishMidland
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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 10:54 pm

I know what you mean... but i still think that when you want to download the route map most have (xxxKB) next to it. So regardless of size I want to see them. True there might be too many lines and they would be convoluted, but still i want to see them try. You can always trace the line back to the thick one and into the hub. so why does it matter... i think they are too lazy to do it. It would not be hard, you would just need to not include code-shares and commuter routes, on the mainline ones. Then have some that are for commuter, and then code share ones. I am talking about the web based ones. Then they could create an applet where there would be a set backround, ie region, and then lines are created on a clear, backround and laid on top of of the backround, indicating routes, and you could layer, like UA mainline, and ACJet on top of it to see where those 2 run. or ... take the applet one step further. and have a blank route map with the cities they serve (you select what mode, mainline, commuter, shuttle etc.) and the cities appear, when you click on the city or airport the routes show connecting the other cities on the map.

that would be the ideal way to do that.

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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Thu Oct 19, 2000 11:02 pm

What difference does this make? As long as they fly there. If you know your going from Dallas to Chicago..it would be pretty easy to imagine the route, right?
 
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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Fri Oct 20, 2000 3:22 am

GreggJ you are NO FUN....and boring
 
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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Fri Oct 20, 2000 3:49 am

Here's one that should eliminate the lines.

www.nwa.com/travel/images/us.jpg

The Continental code-share routes are in there as well.


 
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GreggJ = Bore ... Anyways

Fri Oct 20, 2000 4:23 am

Well back to the point, as GreggJ seemed to have missed, lets say I am NOT flying on AA (which in my opinion, no matter how many seats they rip out, their airline is still the largest hunk of shit... AEagle too.) and I have to connect in PIT with USAirways and I do not know anything about airlines and their hubs, what cities would I fly? well judging by some current route maps it looks as though I would be flying from (A the USAirways route map cannot be viewed on one page, ie the entire country is broken down into "regions", one of which I find amusing, is: Kansas, MO, NE, and DEN.) ok ok ... flying from a yellow circle, to a yellow circle ... but what they do not tell you is that you might have to connect in a red star. All of this would be alieviated if there were lines, so the user could see that, "gee Verne, wes gunna haveta' connit threw Pitzburge, er Charlot." (that was a quote from a user from TX.   ) no offense Texans. Ok ok ... what I want, and others want, aside from GreggJ because he is still 3 and likes colored shapes and stars (because lines would disrupt his creativity time, he likes to imagine the lines, GreggJ I always knew you were a dreamer.), we want lines, connecting cities that are served, omitting ones that are not served by the company (ie sure you can have code-share lines, but please slap those suckas on another map, thanks.) What other thoughts do you guys have?

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RE: Airlines Straying From Route Maps?!

Fri Oct 20, 2000 5:22 am

the lines tell you which cities can be flown between non-stop, or let you know that you can make a connection. Without the lines, you know what cities are served, but you don't know what cities are paired.
 
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Fri Oct 20, 2000 5:38 am

Trevor,
I'll type this slowly because I know you can't read fast.

I just don't see what the big deal is. If you fly any of the big carriers you know where there hubs are (well...maybe you don't). That is, if your IQ is over, say 70?

I don't need lines to show me where i'm going...that's reserved for two year olds.

BTW...I flew British Midland from Heathrow to Palma last month....it sucked. So there.
 
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GreggJ

Fri Oct 20, 2000 6:16 am

GreggJ---
To put this simpler. IF YOU KNEW HOW TO READ... and I know you do because you keep typing "replies", but then again maybe you don't, because you keep missing the point. again ... and let me bold this for you so you can catch the key words. ready? 1 ... 2 ... 3 .... here we go....

To someone that is not too familiar (got that? ok again... not too familiar sorry ... fam...iliar attaboy) with the airline industry and specific airlines does not know what cities are the hubs ... let me sum up so far. There are people who do not know anything about airlines. ok let's go on... the point of the route (route: meaning the way the aircraft takes to get to the destination from the departure city), kind of like your connect the dots book. ok and the map which is used to place the cities in their geographical position. So in big word coming: SUMMATION... route maps are handy because they allow you to see from what city a different city is served.

So please GreggJ ... do me and everyone else on the forum a favor. and what is that you ask? READ the posts before you reply to something you have no clue about.

Thanks
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