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WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:16 am

According to a source

The FAA has granted Southwest Airlines the freedom to fly to San Juan, Puerto Rico, and international destinations.

Launch dates & destinations could be announced as early as next week.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:20 am

I thought when they switched to the AirTran certificate it gave them the ability to fly international? Or is there more to it?
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:41 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):

I thought when they switched to the AirTran certificate it gave them the ability to fly international? Or is there more to it?

It is pretty complicated since it is a joint certificate, but it is partitioned with the FL side of the operation separated. Now everything should be equal so the international ops can start getting transitioned over.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 2):
It is pretty complicated since it is a joint certificate, but it is partitioned with the FL side of the operation separated. Now everything should be equal so the international ops can start getting transitioned over.

Ah okay! I wonder if WN would open up service to Canada and Mexico now!
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:05 am

The more competition, the better for all of us who fly   Best of luck to WN.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 3):
Ah okay! I wonder if WN would open up service to Canada and Mexico now!

All that FL flying to Mexico is eventually going to be flown by WN metal. Canada I would imagine is only a matter of time.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 5):
Canada I would imagine is only a matter of time.

Maybe? Canada is kind of expensive in terms of taxes/fees. That's why Plattsburgh, NY; Burlington, VT; Buffalo, NY; Bellingham, WA; etc... are so popular with the Canadian set. I doubt we'll see WN in Canada in the near-term (5 years)
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 6):


Maybe? Canada is kind of expensive in terms of taxes/fees. That's why Plattsburgh, NY; Burlington, VT; Buffalo, NY; Bellingham, WA; etc... are so popular with the Canadian set. I doubt we'll see WN in Canada in the near-term (5 years)

I'm thinking the same thing. Plenty of fish to fry before Canada and those hideous taxes.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:58 am

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 6):
Canada is kind of expensive in terms of taxes/fees.

Didn't stop WestJet from flying U.S./Canada at all.......
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):

Didn't stop WestJet from flying U.S./Canada at all......

Well yeah, but WestJet is BASED in Canada, they have to deal with it. WN doesn't.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:03 am

Don't they need seat assignments for Int'l flights??? US Govnment requires that?? Please correct me if I'm wrong??
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:14 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 2):
Now everything should be equal so the international ops can start getting transitioned over.

Besides that pesky reservation system...  
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 9):
WN doesn't.

Oh, they will if they decide to start up Canadian services.

Also, it sure hasn't stopped AS/QX either......
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Oh, they will if they decide to start up Canadian services.

Absolutely. They will do Canada and when they do they will have to deal with it.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:25 am

I'm immediately thinking LatAm from PHX. But there's some tech issues involved here; only Terminal 4 concourse B is international; after deplaning they'd have to tow the WN planes to the C & D concourses.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:32 am

Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?
It is what it is.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):
Didn't stop WestJet from flying U.S./Canada at all.......

I'd also like to point out, for the record, that most LCC American airlines (NK, B6, F9, and YX [see below]) don't fly to Canada.

I think all LCCs in the US (or airlines that consider themselves LCCs) watched VX fail on SFO-YYZ because of high costs and were like "Nah, we'll focus our energy somewhere more profitable."

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly WN to places like Montreal, Quebec, and Halifax but I'm not going to hold my breath. They have bigger fish to fry in terms of destinations.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 17):
watched VX fail on SFO-YYZ

I don't think (and I hope) airlines don't look at VX to see if they would succeed on a route.

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 17):
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly WN to places like Montreal, Quebec, and Halifax but I'm not going to hold my breath. They have bigger fish to fry in terms of destinations.

I don't think it will happen soon but it will eventually happen.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:48 am

Be nice to see WN go somewhere in Canada other than the usual YYZ.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 17):

Lets just agree to disagree.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:35 am

Quoting santi319 (Reply 10):
Don't they need seat assignments for Int'l flights???

No.

Quoting santi319 (Reply 10):
US Govnment requires that??

No. VivaAerobus operates transborder flights and they don't have assigned seating.

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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 12):
Besides that pesky reservation system...  

The day it is retired there will be a huge party around WN I think. LOL

However, I have thought of something. This is just me thinking not anything I've heard. However, the FL res system already handles int'l. So I don't see why it couldn't be used a stop gap in the interim to handle int'l bookings until Amadeus is brought online. To me that would be something to look into.

Quoting Reply 16):
Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?

It all comes down to technical stuff in operating over-water and the various other specifics required for it. Granted it isn't ETOPS to SJU, but they wanted to get the technical stuff knocked out so it gives them full flag status to remove all route restrictions. At least for the WN side of the cert.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 19):
Be nice to see WN go somewhere in Canada other than the usual YYZ.

Not many other options with as much revenue potential.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting Reply 16):

Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?

Someone said before that it was due to the diversion airports flying from the mainland to SJU would be international airports so flag carrier status is needed.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting Reply 16):
Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?

There aren't a whole lot of U.S. Territories that can be used as alternates between Florida and SJU. Thus, the authorization to operate internationally is needed more for the enroute than the destination.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:47 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 9):
WN doesn't.

Oh, they will if they decide to start up Canadian services.

Also, it sure hasn't stopped AS/QX either......

Alaska Air Group has found BLI to be quite attractive, however - and that's a direct result of Canadians deciding YVR is just too damned expensive to fly out of.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:38 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Also, it sure hasn't stopped AS/QX either......

AS has stopped WN plenty of times too........ 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 19):
Be nice to see WN go somewhere in Canada other than the usual YYZ.
Quoting silentbob (Reply 23):
Not many other options with as much revenue potential.

Knowing WN, instead of flying into lets say YYC or YEG, they'd decide on YQF!   
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:03 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 26):

But does have AS service to/from YVR?
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):


Oh, they will if they decide to start up Canadian services.

IF they decide. Or they could avoid the situation altogether and look to the south for future expansion. Which is what they're doing in the near term. FL avoided Canada except for a brief foray to Montreal during the ValuJet days.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:18 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 17):

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly WN to places like Montreal, Quebec

Which leads me to this question: would flying to Montreal and other places in Quebec require WN to hire French-speaking flight attendants?

I don't know how that would work, but I can say when I flew AA from DFW to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, no Spanish was spoken during the in-flight announcements, so would the same apply to WN flying to French-speaking regions of Canada?
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 31):
Which leads me to this question: would flying to Montreal and other places in Quebec require WN to hire French-speaking flight attendants?

Nope, Westjet(not sure about Air Canada) doesn't even always have a French speaking FA. They just have their required announcements prerecorded in French.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 28):
But does have AS service to/from YVR?

Yes they do through Horizon Air (all Horizon Q400's are now painted as AS by the way).
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting flybynight (Reply 32):
Yes they do through Horizon Air (all Horizon Q400's are now painted as AS by the way).

They also have nonstop service on mainline AS to LAX. I've taken that flight a few times and it's always packed. It's even worse now that they trimmed one flight a day from the schedule.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 30):
I don't know how that would work, but I can say when I flew AA from DFW to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, no Spanish was spoken during the in-flight announcements

Kind of strange, It's been about 3 or 4 years since I flew out of MEX and back into MEX with AA but I remember in-flight announcements were made in both English and Spanish.

I bet that their a lot of folks here in Mexico that would love to see WN metal down here! Including myself!!!

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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:18 pm

Quoting santi319 (Reply 10):

Don't they need seat assignments for Int'l flights??? US Govnment requires that?? Please correct me if I'm wrong??

I don't believe that the U.S. government requires it. See this thread.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):

I'm immediately thinking LatAm from PHX.

I'm wondering how soon they will start work with the international concourse at HOU.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:46 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 36):
I'm wondering how soon they will start work with the international concourse at HOU.

Construction is set to begin in the spring of 2013.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):
I thought when they switched to the AirTran certificate it gave them the ability to fly international? Or is there more to it?
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Both FL and WN are on the same Operating Certificate but when WN asked the FAA about flying across the water and international, they were told that even both were on the same certificate authority for WN to fly these destinations would be a process started from the beginning. Thus the proving runs to SJU were setup. WN flew those with flying colors and FAA gave a verbal approval and finally it came thru written. Several posters on here are stating that there was IT problems with some type of SJU tax but I am not sure of that. My question is if the current WN reservations system is the old Cowboy system that Braniff used was Braniff not an international carrier? WN has announced they have a contact with Amadeus that will create a codeshar with FL but is that needed to start SJU.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:58 pm

I know that WN has "right-sized" PHL after their merger with FL, but can we see any int'l flights out of PHL on WN? Or will they primarily do that out of BWI?
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:58 pm

Aw yeah! WN to San Juan...can't wait!
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
I'm immediately thinking LatAm from PHX. But there's some tech issues involved here; only Terminal 4 concourse B is international; after deplaning they'd have to tow the WN planes to the C & D concourses.

Agree, but I also wonder how much of a modification D South concourse would take to change and then build the last of the C wings? I also can see it as a gateway to Mexico due to the population and proximity.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:12 pm

About time, smaller and much younger LCCs (B6, F9, NK, SY & VX) have been flying international for years. Good luck WN.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 21):
So I don't see why it couldn't be used a stop gap in the interim to handle int'l bookings until Amadeus is brought online.

Different needs, different infrastructure, different capabilities. Not easy to switch from one to the next, and very expensive.

Someone once compared the process to changing a car's engine while the car is driving down the highway. It's not the best comparison, but not the worst either, and you're proposing to do it twice, but to make matters worse, you want to use a diesel engine as a stopgap between two gasoline engines.
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting countrymalenc (Reply 38):
WN has announced they have a contact with Amadeus that will create a codeshar with FL but is that needed to start SJU.

No.

Quoting countrymalenc (Reply 38):
My question is if the current WN reservations system is the old Cowboy system that Braniff used was Braniff not an international carrier?

Yes it is the old Braniff SAAS system.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
I'm immediately thinking LatAm from PHX. But there's some tech issues involved here; only Terminal 4 concourse B is international; after deplaning they'd have to tow the WN planes to the C & D concourses.

Not necessarily; back before the D concourse opened, WN used the high-B concourse where the international gates are. But D-8 to B-28 would be quite a hike even with the moving walkways.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:54 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 45):
Not necessarily; back before the D concourse opened, WN used the high-B concourse where the international gates are. But D-8 to B-28 would be quite a hike even with the moving walkways.

I would also wonder about having the split WN staff on the B side and having to transfer everything over to the C & D concourse.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 47):

Rumor is new WN SJU service for the first wave is only going to be 4 flts 3MCO flts and 1 TPA.
Taking over 2 FL flights.

Sounds good to me.
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:21 pm

I'd be curious to see if BWI is in the initial mix; that would bring easy 1-stop connections to most of NE [MHT/BOS/PVD-BWI-SJU] and the eastern Midwest [PIT/CLE/CMH-BWI-SJU].
 
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RE: WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops

Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:34 pm

A side from what I posted from the rumor mill.
I personally think BWI and/or HOU will see some service.
Trying to line up 800 AC flows with rumored service.
I'm thinking something like this
MCO-SJU-TPA-SJU-MCO.
SJU-MCO-SJU-MCO-PVD.
PVD-FLL-PVD-MCO-SJU.
if BWI or HOU is in mix instead of TPA
I can see
MCO-SJU-BWI/HOU-SJU-MCO.
Guessing is so much fun.
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