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Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:19 am

The Malaysian government has expressed fears of British Airways' imminent pull-out from Kuala Lumpur and is negotiating with BA to continue to serve KUL with direct flights from London. With over 100,000 passengers flying into KUL from the UK alone with BA each year, the pull-out could severely affect tourism in Malaysia.

Tourists and Tour-operators from all over the world are already frustrated by the lack of available seats into Kuala Lumpur and are constantly HAVING to book passengers via Singapore and British Airways was a major contributor of traffic from the Eastern USA and much of Western Europe into Malaysia.

A recent report by Scandinavian tour operators expressed their dissatisfaction that as BA was a major carrier - they will now be almost solely dependant on KLM to provide services into Malaysia. Malaysia Airlines has negotiated with these some to provide relief charter services from Stockholm and Helsinki to remove some of the pressure.

So will BA stay in KL - there are even rumours that this may be partly due to MAS and BA moving towards a code-share with MAS joining a 'sinking' oneworld but gaining a third daily LHR service, a daily MAN service with options on an additional UK airport in a couple of years...who knows nowadays...

RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:43 am

Mas777, where did you get the info about the complaints from? BA seem to have made a bit of a hash out of this one then.
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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Thu Oct 19, 2000 7:41 am

Mas777 could be right somehow (in his last paragraph abt the so-called proposed code-share btw BA and MH)... In any case, there were earlier reports that QF is interested in buying a stake in MH - which would in turn give a stake to BA as well since BA are part owners of QF too...

Anyway, I've just visited BERNAMA (Malaysia's Official news agency) and the M'sia Govt's has confirmed that their in talks 9or gonig to start talks) with BA to achiveve an outcome on this - looks like they're keen to see in BA and the British Govt is willing to allow MH to take over the flight relinquished from BA shd they really do it. Obviously the Msia Govt is concerned with BA's decision, mainly due to the fact that many tourist from UK visit M'sia each year but LHR is also a major connection port for many European cities. with BA reducing the flts, M'sia may potentially lose lots of tourists - and MH would be keen to keep the no of flt's btw KUL and LHR unchanged (or even increase them), but as we all know, there a congestion problem at LHR and many carriers have restriction as to the no of flights operating into LHR...
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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:00 am

Its interesting that with all the talk about Heathrow being sooo congested, its only other (as in every carrier but BA) airlines who can't add flights. Tomorrow if BA added on another 40 daily flights out of LHR, they'd squack on and on about how its their right. It's a nasty case of collusion couched in legal agreements.

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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:03 am

I would be more than happy to be the airline that fills this void. I wish I had the pull to grab a 744 and launch this puppy. LHR-KUL spells profit to me. Think about it... long has SIN been the gateway from SEAsia/Australia to UK and vise versa, it is time for KUL, and Malaysia to take back what is rightfully theirs, in a matter of speaking. There are 3 ways from that region to Europe profitably, through BKK, KUL, and SIN.
I know there are more ways but these are the ones that have large amounts of O&D and connecting traffic. Even if, QF takes a stake, which means BA would also have a stake, they would not have the flight. What I mean is they would not have the revenue, and revenue is what keeps the plane flying. Profits can be made on this route and maybe BA was doing something wrong, but it should work.

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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:39 pm

Could this possible be a way around for BA to start Leisure services from LGW?

NOT a rumour, a simple question, would it make sense?

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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Thu Oct 19, 2000 8:00 pm

BA pulling out of Malaysia just does not make sense, cant they operate 777s there or make the service more profitable by flying onwards to Australia or route it via another country, like in the Middle east
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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Fri Oct 20, 2000 8:42 am

The report from Scandinavia came from Travel-Asia magazine (I think - I read it sometime last week!).

BA really messed up in Malaysia - we all know that - but I can't help but feel that things really started to go wrong when BA-QF started joint operations in Malaysia.


RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Fri Oct 20, 2000 11:51 am

Just a short note to your idea of legal "collusion".
If BA wanted even ONE more flt out of LHR,it couldn't do it without relinquishing a slot.LHR is at bursting point.It is the 4th busiest airport on the planet,and it manages this with only 2 runways.BA would not use LGW if it didn't have to (2 hubs in one city-makes little sense unless no other option).BA would certainly move most,if not all flts,to LHR if it were possible.The thought of them starting new flts or routes on a whim from LHR is pure fantasy.
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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Fri Oct 20, 2000 2:47 pm

MAS777, you hit the nail on the head when you say that it is Scandanavian tourists who will be most inconvenienced.

No way can BA make money from carrying tourists STO-LHR-KUL and back. If Malaysia thinks this business if worthwhile (for the tourist dollars it brings in) then put flights into Copenhagen or Stockholm on MAS metal.

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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Sat Oct 21, 2000 7:28 am

The LHR-KUL route is actually very lucrative in the First and Club Class cabins. I have actually been unable to book a seat on BA's Club Class before on this route. Although BA's First Class cabin tends to be rather empty, MAS seems to fill their First Class cabins rather well.

MAS has had plans to serve Copenhagen but this has always failed to get off the ground. Not sure why...

...interestingly it was the Scandinavian tour operators who complained - not the British Tour operators. British Tour operators actually seem to prefer flying with MAS and if you look in just about every brochure BA charges a hefty supplement if you want to fly with them.

British tourists make up the third largest long-haul group visiting Malaysia after the Australians and the Japanese. They have to get there somhow and they're certainly not going to get there by BA soon.  

RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Sat Oct 21, 2000 8:42 am

What was BA's past LHR-KUL service? What a/c routed through which citys and how many time weekly?
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RE: Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...

Sun Oct 22, 2000 6:17 am

see earlier posting where I covered BA's operations between 1980-current.

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