TC957
Topic Author
Posts: 2026
Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 1:12 pm

BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:18 pm

Just heard this on the travel agent's news bulletin that BA will no serve MAN - LGW after end of March.
 
LondonCity
Posts: 964
Joined: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:57 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:27 pm

It's now been confirmed by BA. Service will end on March 31 next year.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...a-to-drop-gatwick-manchester-route
 
fcogafa
Posts: 861
Joined: Fri May 16, 2008 4:37 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:31 pm

One for FlyBE to pick up?
 
User avatar
817Dreamliiner
Posts: 3209
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:12 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:31 pm

Seriously???? I wonder why? The flights ive taken between MAN and LGW have always been full. Plus its an easy connection for me to get to the caribbean, but I guess theres always LHR.
Please let me know... If you know this is the end of the world, Let me know... If you know the truth...
 
joshrice
Posts: 42
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:46 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:42 pm

Perhaps we should now expect an easyJet announcement for flights to Manchester!

I am surprised by this news. As said above, usually good loads. Another step towards the end of the Gatwick base? Just this morning on Bloomberg there was a note that BA will be reviewing the Gatwick base fleet for future developments. Or something along those lines anyway.
 
jet72uk
Posts: 102
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:14 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:45 pm

This is shocking news. Hopefully BE or EZY will pick up the route.
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.
 
Flyingfox27
Posts: 190
Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:07 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:49 pm

I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off which is sad because the earliest time i could arrive at MAN to spend the day there would be close to 12pm which means i miss the bulk of the morning traffic i would like to photograph.
 
simpsondude
Posts: 47
Joined: Wed May 26, 2010 5:17 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:13 pm

I am very surprised to hear this. Won't be long before U2 move in and scoop up the route
 
madhatter
Posts: 223
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2001 6:37 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5):
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.

Where has this been announced?
 
Pe@rson
Posts: 16001
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2001 6:29 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting simpsondude (Reply 7):
Won't be long before U2 move in and scoop up the route

Very, very, very much doubt it.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
 
LondonCity
Posts: 964
Joined: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:57 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 6):
I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off

Re: Flybe SOU-MAN
I doubt Cross Country is having much of an effect when you consider the long and winding route taken by its trains. In general UK domestic aviation is in the doldrums because of the economic downturn and the cost of APD which must be paid for every flight.
 
TC957
Topic Author
Posts: 2026
Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 1:12 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:39 pm

Yes, I was booked on the early morning SOU-MAN flight 23 Nov to have a few hours at MAN before heading to my company's conference later on that day but had an email from Flybe saying flight is now at 11.10.  
 
skipness1E
Posts: 3370
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:18 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:07 pm

It was rumoured in another place that EZY were looking closely at MAN-LGW. As soon as they dumped the MAN nightstopper this route was dead. Flown it many times, always a bargain and seldom busy.
Another LGW route more suited to the B733/B735 to maintain frequency. The B734 is just too big.
 
vv701
Posts: 5773
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:54 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Where has this been announced?

It is in the Manchester Evening News:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...s-ditches-manchester-gatwick-route
 
GSTBA
Posts: 386
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:20 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5):
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.

Where has this been announced?

BA very rarely announce that they are going to make announcement on new routes prior to a official announcement being made.

I had heard that another route announcement was due late this month or early next month.
 
AIR MALTA
Posts: 1733
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:45 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:49 pm

Sad... They could have at least kept one daily rotation to and from LGW to make it possible for passengers to transfer to their longhaul flights...

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Where has this been announced?

Well, if they cancel 3 daily flights to MAN and without planning to retire one aircraft, they would need to add new routes or increase existing ones...

What are your candidates?

Wish BA could go back to MLA and KEF but I guess this won't happen...
Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
 
GSTBA
Posts: 386
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:20 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Well, if they cancel 3 daily flights to MAN and without planning to retire one aircraft, they would need to add new routes or increase existing ones...

BA have made a number changes to there S13 schedule already. Changes are based on S12 operation. The changes include frequency increases & reductions as well as operational day changes. Full details of what has changed so below.

New Routes

Alicante - Flights will resume after being dropped a few years back. Flights will operate 17 x Weekly until 1st July 2013 when flights will increase to 3 x Daily

Barcelona - Flights return after being dropped a few years ago in February 2013. During the S13 schedule flights will operate 3 x Daily. Flights will depart LGW at 09:50, 15:40 & 21:20 arriving in BCN at 13:00, 18:50 & 00:30. Return flights will depart BCN at 08:10, 13:55 & 19:40 arriving LGW 09:15, 15:00 & 20:45

Routes Dropped

Manchester - As already posted flights will not operate S13. Flights operated up to 3 x Daily S12

Pristina - No flights available for sale W12/13 or S13. Flights operated 2 x Weekly S12

Frequency Decreases

Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

Edinburgh - Flights drop from 28 to 26 x Weekly with 3 rotations instead if four operating on Saturday & Sunday. BA2940/BA2941 rotation non op on those days.

Jersey - Flights will drop from 35 to 34 x Weekly. BA2776/77 rotation will not operate on a Saturday.

Naples - Flights will drop from 3 to 2 x Daily in S13.

Tirana - Flights will drop from 5 to 4 x Weekly.

Frequency Increases

Faro - Flights will operate 8 x Weekly.

Rome FCO - Flights will increase from 10 flights a week in S12 to 2 x Daily S13.

Days of Operation Changes

Salzburg - Flights will operate on Monday, Wednesday, Saturday & Sunday S13. Flight operated Tuesday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday S12

Thessaloniki - S13 flights will operate Monday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Flights operated Monday, Wednesday, Friday & Saturday.

Tunis - S13 flights will operate 5 x weekly with no flights on a Wednesday & Saturday. S12 flight didn't operate on a Tuesday or Thursday
 
AIR MALTA
Posts: 1733
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:45 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
BA have made a number changes to there S13 schedule already. Changes are based on S12 operation. The changes include frequency increases & reductions as well as operational day changes. Full details of what has changed so below.

Yes but the new routes to Alicante and Barcelona came to replace the previously operated flights to MRS and BLQ which were transferred to LHR.
Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
 
anstar
Posts: 2864
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:49 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

I wouldnt be surprised to see this route dropped eventually.

I preferredwhen they had the flight overnight and leave AMS about 7 - now the first LGW flight is around 10am form AMS.

Easyjet have really taken the lead in the LGW-AMS market
 
PlymSpotter
Posts: 9986
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:32 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:18 pm

I can't see either U2 or BE taking up this route. I certainly couldn't see the latter making it work.

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 6):
I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off

It's still five daily for now, that's hardly bad between two regional points. They are likely to see some benefit on this route from BA dropping LGW-MAN, which is another reason why I think it would be foolish of them to try.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):
I doubt Cross Country is having much of an effect when you consider the long and winding route taken by its trains. In general UK domestic aviation is in the doldrums because of the economic downturn and the cost of APD which must be paid for every flight.

The economy and APD are two prime issues, although FlyBe in particular are struggling for their own reasons.


Dan  
...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
 
skipness1E
Posts: 3370
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:18 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting anstar (Reply 18):
I wouldnt be surprised to see this route dropped eventually.

It is an oddball, the last of the old style capital / business centre routes. CDG, BRU, FRA, MAD etc all dropped.
 
Liverpoola380
Posts: 218
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:19 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:45 am

This is sad news.

I fly this route often and there loads are always very high, sometimes higher than LHR

I think this is bad move from BA
 
AirbusA6
Posts: 1484
Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:53 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:16 am

Were many passengers connecting to long haul flights at LGW, as I imagine that's the only reason to operate such a route? With most of the BA long haul routes from LGW to leisure destinations, I imagine there are plenty of direct/charter flights from MAN anyway for many of them.
it's the bus to stansted (now renamed National Express a6 to ruin my username)
 
BlueShamu330s
Posts: 2565
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:11 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:28 am

Let's stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this "loss" and turn it into an opportunity for the likes of Virgin and Thomson to launch new services from MAN to the Caribbean and other beach destinations which passengers have previously had to connect through LGW to get to.

Rgds
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
 
factsonly
Posts: 1993
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:08 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
Frequency Decreases

Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

Must we conclude that BA is loosing the LGW battle with EZY, as EZY has announced a Summer 2013 increase of LGW-AMS-LGW to 6x/daily on peak Monday & Fridays:

EZY Summer 2013
LGW-AMS
06.10-08.25
08.10-10.25
10.25-12.40
14.25-16.40
16.25-18.40
19.00-21.15

BA Summer 2013
LGW-AMS
07.20-09.35
09.20-11.35
15.15-17.25

BA used to operate LGW-AMS-LGW 5x/daily in the past. Perhaps the new BA 3x/day LHR-RTM-LHR also has an influence as BA capacity to NL is significantly up in Summer 2013 taking AMS/RTM combined.
 
musang
Posts: 788
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2001 4:11 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
The flights ive taken between MAN and LGW have always been full.
Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 21):
loads are always very high

Several have equated high load factor with profitability whereas the relationship is only approximate. Yield is the critical criterion. An aircraft may be full, but if the customers didn't pay much for the tickets, due competition/market forces, the receipts won't cover operating cost. There are many examples of full aircraft not making money.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 24):
Must we conclude that BA is loosing the LGW battle with EZY

As long as the cost bases are so different its inevitable when so many travellers are cost focussed above all else.

Regards - musang
 
vectismanpaul
Posts: 99
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:17 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:18 pm

I believe we need need to keep things in perspective here. Airlines start and drop routes all the time. Most of the low-cost airlines do so more often than the legacy carriers, but are careful only to announce new routes rarely mentioning the ones they are dropping. British Airways have announced the closure of the Gatwick-Manchester route for their own commercial reasons. If another airline believes they can make money on that route they will take it up, if not they wont. Its that simple.
As for the BA Gatwick base itself I believe it will continue. They will probably develop more long haul leisure destinations which may include overspill for some routes also served from Heathrow (Las Vegas is an example). The short haul network will continue to serve destinations that require frequency and competitive fares aswell as those niche seasonal destinations that can fill both Club and Economy cabins. This may also include destinations already served from Heathrow where demand for leisure travel is greatest as well as demand for transfer to BA long haul. (Examples being Barcelona, Nice and Rome).
In time newer aircraft will arrive. BA Gatwick will never be huge but will provide a big enough presence that suits London's second airport. BA still carries 5million passengers a year to and from Gatwick. Somehow I don t believe they will be willing just to give them away.
So one route down maybe a couple of new ones to be announced. Hardly the end of life as we know it.

V.

[Edited 2012-10-31 06:31:04]

[Edited 2012-10-31 06:51:01]
 
Liverpoola380
Posts: 218
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:19 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:03 pm

Biggest mistake BA made with its Eurofleet was surrendering the regions and allowing the sale of GT to EZY

If only they would have retained focus and adjust the business models we would have a flourishing airline
 
User avatar
817Dreamliiner
Posts: 3209
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:12 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting musang (Reply 25):

I wasnt implying that the route was profitable, only that when I flew the route that it seemed full to me. But its still surprising to me that they are dropping it and I am a bit disappointed because I would no longer have the smooth connection to the caribbean flights I take out of LGW.
Please let me know... If you know this is the end of the world, Let me know... If you know the truth...
 
skipness1E
Posts: 3370
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:18 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 27):
If only they would have retained focus and adjust the business models we would have a flourishing airline

Adjust it to what? The cost base against the new boys was uncompetitive with the consequence BA had to charge beyond what the market was willing to pay. A lot of good people tried for many years to save the regional business, it wasn't to be for a variety of reasons.
Remember LGW isn't feeding the core business, it's point to point leisure with *some* feed, loss making on MAN-LGW it seems. The remaining short haul business, well it does appear to be in ever decreasing circles. Until the RFP for replacing those B737-400s is signed off, I doubt whether BA want to stay in easyJet's core business. Is AVIOS redemption enough of a reason to maintain the short haul routes?
 
vectismanpaul
Posts: 99
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:17 am

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:18 pm

As always Skipness talks a lot of sense. We seem to be perusing the same forums too!!
Just wondering if Easyjet or BE would look at this route.
I know that BE are unhapy with Gatwick charges butt maybe a thrice daily 118 seater E195 would work especially if they had codeshares.
Easyjet Airbuses may be too big, but there again maybe lower fares would stimulate demand.
Anyway we shall see in the next few days.
V.
 
jet72uk
Posts: 102
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:14 pm

RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:23 pm

I think altimately someone will step in and do it. It has certaily p'd off a lot of regulars in the catchment area of Surrey, Sussex and Kent.....   

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], blueflyer, frmrCapCadet, Jal1975, knope2001, LHRBFSTrident, MaxTrimm, msycajun, northwest_guy, NYPECO, qf789, Spacepope, tcaeyx and 240 guests