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Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:08 pm

Anyone have any photos or know the condition of the aircraft at the Intrepid Museum?
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:26 pm

There's loads of photos on the database from the Intrepid. I was in New York in June and spent a great morning exploring the ship and aircraft. The new shuttle exhibit was being built while I was their on the aft deck so I didn't get chance to see it, but it's open now. It was nice to see Concorde and the Growler submarine too. The aircraft are in pretty good shape with recent restoration and paiting of some of them.

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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:34 pm

I think OP meant in the context of recent events (i.e Sandy)
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:34 pm

All I heard was the dome that was built to protect and enclose the Shuttle Enterprise is bascially gone and the Shuttle has at the very least damage to it's vertical stabilizer but from the photo I saw it does NOT look serious. No word on the Concorde.

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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 1):
There's loads of photos on the database from the Intrepid. I was in New York in June and spent a great morning exploring the ship and aircraft. The new shuttle exhibit was being built while I was their on the aft deck so I didn't get chance to see it, but it's open now. It was nice to see Concorde and the Growler submarine too. The aircraft are in pretty good shape with recent restoration and paiting of some of them.

Darren

ROFL!!! I am sorry! I almost spit my coffee across the computer screen after reading this! LOL!

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 3):
All I heard was the dome that was built to protect and enclose the Shuttle Enterprise is bascially gone and the Shuttle has at the very least damage to it's vertical stabilizer but from the photo I saw it does NOT look serious. No word on the Concorde.

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Do you know if they tied most of the aircraft down? I would think so. Hope the Concorde is okay! Good to hear the shuttle survived!
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:50 pm

Enterprise and her damaged stabilizer:

http://d.pr/i/xgb8
http://d.pr/i/P7gx

Hope Concorde is unscathed, not fully visible in the pics and haven't come across any others.
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 5):
http://d.pr/i/xgb8
http://d.pr/i/P7gx

Nice. And NY was pushing so hard to get a 'flown' shuttle too. I didn't think such a priceless piece of history had any reason to be sitting out in the open like that, whether it was the Enterprise or any other shuttle. It's bad enough the Concorde is weathering away, but the shuttles? Should never have happened.

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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:03 pm



Found this one on Gizmodo, not my photo, but what a shot. Cannot believe they put a priceless aviation icon in a vinyl bubble. What a disgrace.
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:16 pm

Quoting F9animal (Reply 4):
ROFL!!! I am sorry! I almost spit my coffee across the computer screen after reading this! LOL!

Reminds me of the student pilot who was in the traffic pattern doing touch and go's. After completing a touch and go, the ATC tower asked the student pilot "What are your intentions?"
The student pilot replied "Student pilot 54 Papa, I intend to get my instrument, then commercial ratings, then my multi-engine."
The controller responded "Full stop or touch and go?"
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:45 pm

Enterprise just gained a little more actual history.  
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:14 pm

Not for nothing...but what did you want them to do about the space shuttle in the face of the storm.

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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:38 pm

Welcome to living on the water...

Its a shame to see her placed in basically what is open storage.

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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting atct (Reply 11):
Its a shame to see her placed in basically what is open storage.

Open storage in a very humid and salty environment with large temperature deltas and the occasional severe storm.

Shame...
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:14 pm

This is actually a good point. I've been there a few times and apart from them being chocked, they don't seem to be secured in any way. With being open the elements, what's to stop strong winds catching them side on and blowing them right off the deck? There didn't seem to be enough space left inside to lower them down and I don't even know if the lift is still operable. Does anyone have more info about what they do in situations like this?
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:17 pm

A damn shame...NYC got the shuttle which should have gone to Houston, damaged it on the barge ride to Intrepid, now the temporary inadequate tent they used for it damaged it. Way to go...
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:04 pm

Perhaps the vinyl bubble was appropriate for the occasional rain or minor windstorm, but it seems rather inadequate when you consider that Sandy was a very powerful, very resilient Category One hurricane that had been forecasted to do major damage.

You'd think that someone would have at least thought about these things ...
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:07 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 14):
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A damn shame...NYC got the shuttle which should have gone to Houston, damaged it on the barge ride to Intrepid, now the temporary inadequate tent they used for it damaged it. Way to go...


THIS!!!!!!!!!!

This shuttle deserves to be in Houston, period!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
Reminds me of the student pilot who was in the traffic pattern doing touch and go's. After completing a touch and go, the ATC tower asked the student pilot "What are your intentions?"
The student pilot replied "Student pilot 54 Papa, I intend to get my instrument, then commercial ratings, then my multi-engine."
The controller responded "Full stop or touch and go?"

LMAO! That is a good one.

I agree, it is sad to see the Space Shuttle in the open like that. I too think it should be inside, control climate, and proper taking care of.
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:43 am

Quoting F9animal (Reply 17):
it is sad to see the Space Shuttle in the open like that. I too think it should be inside, control climate, and proper taking care of.

+1 but let's get the Concorde inside also.
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 13):
I've been there a few times and apart from them being chocked, they don't seem to be secured in any way. With being open the elements, what's to stop strong winds catching them side on and blowing them right off the deck? There

I just went through three pages from the general photos link above - every aircraft shown has three heavy cable tiedowns - one on each main gear. There are heavy cables over the skids of the helicopters without gear.

From the photos, it looks like all the planes are strongly secured against possible movement.

The cables are painted to not be obtrusive to the display, so they might not be as noticable as the chocks.

[Edited 2012-10-30 18:45:50]
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting Braniff722 (Reply 16):
THIS!!!!!!!!!!

This shuttle deserves to be in Houston, period!!!!!!!!!

Let's not start with that crap now ok. Houston submitted a lousy bid and blew their chances of securing a shuttle.

This blog written by a NASA employee explains that:

http://waynehale.wordpress.com/2011/...why-houston-did-not-get-a-shuttle/
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:52 am

I don't care about the different cities that asked for these aircraft and spacecraft, but both the Concorde and the Shuttle deserve to be inside. IMO, of course.
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:53 am

Concord or the Enterprise should not be sitting on some ship on a river! If they must be grounded they should be under cover in a like a BUILDING! Thoughts too those doing it tough  
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:33 pm

Quoting a36001 (Reply 22):

In my humble opinion, it is not an ordinary ship, nor an ordinary river, it is in the middle of New York city and the ship is already a big tourist destination. Millions of people who visit the city from other states and the world, have a chance to see these two magnificent aircraft ( shuttle ) with ease.

I was on top of the ship a month ago, it is a shame to see the shuttle damaged but I don't think it would be better to move the shuttle at a place where it is harder to get to, but I rather prefer they build a better roof next time  
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:48 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 21):
I don't care about the different cities that asked for these aircraft and spacecraft, but both the Concorde and the Shuttle deserve to be inside. IMO, of course.

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't know that every Concorde and every shuttle needs to be inside. I don't have a problem with the outdoor display of G-BOAB (LHR) or F-WTSB (TLS) because so many Concordes are well preserved indoors. Similarly, I don't have a problem with some of the shuttles being outside because Discovery is being preserved by the Smithsonian.
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:02 pm

Quoting concorde007 (Reply 7):
Found this one on Gizmodo, not my photo, but what a shot. Cannot believe they put a priceless aviation icon in a vinyl bubble. What a disgrace.
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 14):
A damn shame...NYC got the shuttle which should have gone to Houston, damaged it on the barge ride to Intrepid, now the temporary inadequate tent they used for it damaged it. Way to go...
Quoting Braniff722 (Reply 16):

This shuttle deserves to be in Houston, period!!!!!!!!!

Hear, hear! If they had sent the shuttle to Houston (which I realize is far more subject to hurricanes than New York), where it belongs, it would have been much better protected by an impending storm, if one arose. Damn shame, if you ask me. Makes about as much sense as building the 9/11 memorial in the middle of downtown Houston.
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:54 pm

The plan is to build a permanent building for the shuttle on the carrier at some point in the future, when funds are raised. Hopefully sooner than later. But the Concorde should be inside a building, too.
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 25):

If the new home for Enterprise wasn't ready yet, it should have never been brought to the Intrepid. It should have sat in a hanger. From my understanding, the original proposal that was submitted by NYC was changed to something else after they took delivery.

If they weren't going to take care of Enterprise, they should have taken the plywood display that KSC had in front of their center, instead of sending that to Houston.
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting concorde007 (Reply 7):
Found this one on Gizmodo, not my photo, but what a shot. Cannot believe they put a priceless aviation icon in a vinyl bubble

It might be a vinyl bubble and I agree an icon like that should be in a proper hangar to preserve it, but it's more than just a tent that's around it;



We have these bubbles over sports pitches in the winter months as indoor facilities and they they provide decent enough shelter for everything inside.

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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:50 pm

The other issue is that how would this tent have stood up to winter snow? Remember Minneapolis and there imploding 'dome'.
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 29):
The other issue is that how would this tent have stood up to winter snow? Remember Minneapolis and there imploding 'dome'.

Remember the inflatable dome that fell during Cowboys training camp and paralyzed an assistant coach, while injuring others?
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:02 pm

I'm pretty sure the pier that Concorde sits on was flooded. Do hope they wash the salt water off the undercarriage.
 
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RE: Intrepid Museum Update

Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting indcwby (Reply 30):
Remember the inflatable dome that fell during Cowboys training camp and paralyzed an assistant coach, while injuring others?

Even more of a reason not to house something as 'Precious' as a Space Shuttle in one.
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