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To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:41 pm

Welcome Guys..



In celebration of Jamaica's 50th Independence Celebrations, we will highlight the three important events of 2012...

Firstly, congrats to the people of Jamaica in celebration of their 50th Anniversary..



Secondly, During the London Summer Games, The Jamaican Team led by The Bolt and Beast strengthened their domination in the Track Sprint Events..



Thirdly, Fly Jamaica Airways..Jamaica's newest international airline, should take to the skies by the end of the year..



Fly Jamaica Airways is a partnership between chief executive officer (CEO), Guyana-born Paul Ronald Reece and three Jamaican shareholders including Chief Operating Officer (COO) Captain Lloyd Tai and manager of in-flight services, Christine Steele. Reece is also the owner of Wings Aviation Inc, based in Guyana.

The airline plans to service JFK,YYZ and GEO via it's home base in KIN..

The airline has already acquired its own Boeing 757 aircraft that will comfortably seat 12 first-class and 186 economy-class passengers.

They are on a mission to restore pride to our nation and fill the void left by Air Jamaica..




The company's mission is:

To guarantee the highest level of
safety, reliability, comfort and
service to all our customers.

To encourage equality and provide a
positive work experience for our employees.

To provide profitability for our
shareholders through relationships built on transparency and integrity.

Our commitment to these objectives will enable us to become the airline of
Choice and restore pride to our nation


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/304515_270779129706211_11893328_n.jpg

Fly Jamaica recently received it's A.O.C from the JCAA and has submitted their application to the DOT for approval.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/400869_270773963040061_990580104_n.jpg

Let us all welcome the new piece of Jamaica that flies and hope with our continued support, the carrier will be able to grow new markets from Jamaica..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/310401_270779106372880_1210573101_n.jpg

Updates and other info can be found in the old thread..

A Hop To Sir Turtle Land....Jamaican Thread # 44 (by hummingbird May 23 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:53 pm

Jetblue's CEO Dave Barger was recipient of the Hummingbird Award at a recent event in New York..In receiving the award, he mentioned,"We will continue to have anywhere from six to eight flights a day to the island. The airline is focused on continued growth within the Caribbean and has steadily increased flights to Jamaica as support continues to grow amongst Jamaican nationals and tourists, who wish to enjoy all that the island has to offer," he said.

Barger also noted that the airline's most profitable and fastest-growing route was that of travel between the United States and Jamaica since its inaugural flight in 2009.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121029/lead/lead41.html

Is anyone surprised at this statement?.

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Our very own legend, was recently in Rio doing promotions for the 2016 Summer Games...While in Rio, he received the keys to the city from the Mayor...I hope his visit will be a boost to the Brazilians to visit Jamaica..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/534634_10151207560299710_171611922_n.jpg

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This is a comment about Fly Jamaica's application from DOT's, John Gilmore..



Fly Jamaica Airways Limited d/b/a FlyJamaica

OST-2012-0171 - Exemption and Foreign Air Carrier Permit - Jamaica-US Scheduled Passenger

October 25, 2012

Comments of John Gilmore

I would make the observation that the applicant has not in its application provided the flight schedule information required by 14 CFR §211.20 (c) (2). This omission makes it difficult to evaluate whether its proposed service is primarily focused on the Jamaica-US market rather than on the Guyana-US market via Jamaica. I note that Fly Jamaica’s AOC limits it to the Jamaica-New York and Jamaica-Guyana routes and that its AOC proving flights under Jamaican CAA supervision included the Jamaica-Guyana route.

While Fly Jamaica, as a Jamaican controlled company, would be ineligible for Guyana-US route authority under the Bermuda I and II ASAs without an waiver of the homeland ownership requirement, I would argue that such an exemption if sought should be granted to encourage such private sectors initiatives. Notwithstanding, any focus on connecting traffic ex Guyana would be no different than the traffic carried by Emirates over Dubai, BA over London, Lufthansa over Frankfurt or Air France/KLM over Paris and Amsterdam.

The Department applies a ‘six month zero revenue’ capital requirement in license applications from US based start up airlines: that the airline have sufficient cash on hand or committed at start up to operate its proposed schedule for six months with no revenues.

It would be useful for prospective start up applicants for foreign air carrier permits, as is the case with Fly Jamaica, to know whether that requirement also is applicable them, whether the local CAA certification of financial fitness as part of an IASA Category 1 AOC process is sufficient or whether the requirement is somewhere between the two.

By: John Gilmore, 514-716-7665

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http://airlineinfo.com/ost14/ost102512.html#flyjam102512
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:31 am

Great photos/theme for the 84 th Jamaican thread. What a summer it was !!

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 1):
Barger also noted that the airline's most profitable and fastest-growing route was that of travel between the United States and Jamaica since its inaugural flight in 2009.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121029/lead/lead41.html

Is anyone surprised at this statement ?.

Not me. B6's growth/popularity in Jamaica is nothing short of phenomenal. Amazing accomplishment in such a relatively short period of time. Mr. Barger stated that the carrier will continue to have anywhere between 6 and 8 flights a day to Jamaica. By my calculations, they will have up to 9 flights on some days during the peak periods. JFK-KIN ( 2x ), FLL-KIN ( 2x ), JFK-MBJ ( 2x ), MCO-MBJ ( 1x ) and BOS-MBJ ( 2x on Saturdays ). Pretty impressive schedules if you ask me. Still have a feeling they may eventually end up operating FLL-MBJ with the E190s in the future. I will again be flying with them come November 19 th on MBJ-MCO-MBJ for my annual Florida sojourn. Looking forward to it. Won't be doing a Trip Report this time around though, as it will be too similar to the past ones. Will share any interesting spotting photos I may happen to snap none the less. Want to visit Detroit and/or Toronto next year so will do detailed TR on that trip.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 1):
Our very own legend, was recently in Rio doing promotions for the 2016 Summer Games...While in Rio, he received the keys to the city from the Mayor...I hope his visit will be a boost to the Brazilians to visit Jamaica..

Great exposure for the island.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 2):
Not me. B6's growth/popularity in Jamaica is nothing short of phenomenal. Amazing accomplishment in such a relatively short period of time. Mr. Barger stated that the carrier will continue to have anywhere between 6 and 8 flights a day to Jamaica. By my calculations, they will have up to 9 flights on some days during the peak periods. JFK-KIN ( 2x ), FLL-KIN ( 2x ), JFK-MBJ ( 2x ), MCO-MBJ ( 1x ) and BOS-MBJ ( 2x on Saturdays ). Pretty impressive schedules if you ask me. Still have a feeling they may eventually end up operating FLL-MBJ with the E190s in the future. I will again be flying with them come November 19 th on MBJ-MCO-MBJ for my annual Florida sojourn. Looking forward to it. Won't be doing a Trip Report this time around though, as it will be too similar to the past ones. Will share any interesting spotting photos I may happen to snap none the less. Want to visit Detroit and/or Toronto next year so will do detailed TR on that trip.

I was told MBJ-FLL is a possibility, but its a very thin route..

I hope BOS-MBJ will operate on a year round basis..

Have fun in Orlando...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 2):
reat photos/theme for the 84 th Jamaican thread. What a summer it was !!

I agree..

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In the last thread it was briefly mentioned that CM will increase services to MBJ...There is a full story which speaks about the new increases and how it will open the doors to more Latin American markets via the PTY hub..

%u201CThese additional flight frequencies between Montego Bay and Panama City allow us to offer our customers a more complete service,%u201D said Jose Montero, planning director for Copa Airlines, in a written release. %u201CThe added departures will give our passengers more travel options to more Latin American destinations through our Hub of the Americas at Tocumen International Airport in Panama.%u201D

In addition to the expansion into Montego Bay, Copa Airlines offers regular service from the Hub of the Americas in Panama City into Jamaica%u2019s Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston on Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. The Kingston service departs PTY at 12:04 p.m. and arrives at KIN at 1:54 p.m. The return flight departs KIN at 6:05 p.m. and arrives at PTY at 8:00 p.m.

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/ja...ghts-panama-city-montego-bay-37481

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SW will now take over FL routes from BWI and MCO, eff next Mar13..

WN BWI-MBJ MAR 1.3>1.6 APR 1.1>1.5 MAY 1.0>1.6

WN MCO-MBJ APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.7

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Eff next JUN, US will increase PHL-MBJ to 3 daily..

US PHL-MBJ JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:02 pm

With all this excpansion by B6 and others, where is the market space for FJ?
 
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 4):
With all this excpansion by B6 and others, where is the market space for FJ?

Big market out there..B6 and others are expanding at BW's expense..



Another big win for Jamaica..

Jamaica has been named the 'Favourite Worldwide Destination' by readers of British Travel Awards’ ‘Check In’ magazine.

The island took the top spot from more than 70 other destinations in the magazine’s new Readers’ Choice Awards, announced last weekend.

The Readers’ Choice Awards are voted for exclusively by readers of Check In, the online interactive magazine of the British Travel Awards.

Regional Director of the Jamaica Tourist Board for the UK and Northern Europe, Elizabeth Fox, said the award was especially significant as it was the only award voted for by the public.

http://rjrnewsonline.com/local/jamai...ed-favourite-worldwide-destination

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Another major cruise line has added Jamaica to its itinerary.

Disney Cruise Line says it will make its first call to Jamaica in late 2013 with a new itinerary from Galveston, Texas.

The seven-day Caribbean itinerary will stop in Falmouth, Trelawny at the port developed by Royal Caribbean Cruises.

Other ports on the itinerary include Grand Cayman and Cozumel in Mexico.

Disney Magic itineraries from Galveston currently include Grand Cayman, Cozumel and Costa Maya, Mexico.

http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/di...uise-line-sails-to-jamaica-in-2013

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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:20 am

DOT Stats March 2012

BW
FLL-KIN
12166-7677 63%

KIN-FLL
12320-7963 65%

FLL-MBJ
4774-2839 59%

MBJ-FLL
4774-2734 57%

JFK-KIN
9548-7923 83%

KIN-JFK
9548-8031 84%

JFK-MBJ
4774-3838 80%

MBJ-JFK
4774-4143 87%

MCO-KIN
1386-679 49%

KIN-MCO
1386-856 62%

PHL-MBJ
3850-2020 52%

MBJ-PHL
3850-2116 55%

AA

DFW-MBJ
2880-2320 81%

MBJ-DFW
2880-2205 77%

MIA-KIN
14880-11766 79%

KIN-MIA
14720-11889 81%

MIA-MBJ
16646-11650 70%

MBJ-MIA
16648-11229 67%

ORD-MBJ
4424-3673 83%

MBJ-ORD
4424-3858 87%

B6

BOS-MBJ
1500-1328 89%

MBJ-BOS
1500-1373 92%

JFK-KIN
4650-3943 85%

KIN-JFK
4650-4253 91%

JFK-MBJ
7350-6748 92%

MBJ-JFK
7350-6590 90%

MCO-MBJ
4650-2656 57%

MBJ-MCO
4650-2808 60%

F9

ORD-MBJ
1392-1184 85%

MBJ-ORD
1392-1181 85%

STL-MBJ
1242-885 71%

MBJ-STL
1242-885 71%

US

BOS-MBJ
620-596 96%

MBJ-BOS
620-591 95%

CLT-MBJ
18337-16146 88%

MBJ-CLT
17965-15291 85%

PHL-MBJ
11002-8714 79%

MBJ-PHL
10878-8936 82%

FL

ATL-MBJ
4247-3491 82%

MBJ-ATL
4247-3404 80%

BWI-MBJ
5480-4506 82%

MBJ-BWI
5480-4467 82%

MCO-MBJ
4247-2033 48%

MBJ-MCO
4110-1688 41%

MKE-MBJ
1781-1406 79%

NK

FLL-KIN
2314-1574 68%

KIN-FLL
2314-1554 67%

FLL-MBJ
3204-1967 61%

MBJ-FLL
3204-1981 62%

SY

LAN-MBJ
648-440 68%

MBJ-LAN
648-512 79%

MSP-MBJ
2124-1465 69%

MBJ-MSP
2124-1639 77%

STL-MBJ
660-267 41%

MBJ-STL
660-298 45%

DL

ATL-MBJ
19706-14637 74%

MBJ-ATL
19707-14462 73%

DTW-MBJ
1827-1548 85%

MBJ-DTW
1827-1585 87%

JFK-MBJ
824-765 93%

MBJ-JFK
824-684 83%

MSP-MBJ
1827-1627 89%

MBJ-MSP
1827-1660 91%

UA

EWR-MBJ
2072-1968 95%

MBJ-EWR
2072-1969 95%

IAD-MBJ
708-628 89%

MBJ-IAD
696-634 91%

IAH-MBJ
2006-1621 81%

MBJ-IAH
2006-1679 84%

ORD-MBJ
1272-1196 94%

MBJ-ORD
1284-1180 92%
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 4):
With all this excpansion by B6 and others, where is the market space for FJ?

Hopefully there will be some room for them.
 
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):


AA

DFW-MBJ
2880-2320 81%

MBJ-DFW
2880-2205 77%

Is this service year round or seasonal ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):


FL

MCO-MBJ
4247-2033 48%

MBJ-MCO
4110-1688 41%

Not looking good at all. But they seem quite determined to retain this sector alongside B6.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:29 am

Apr DOT Stats 2012

BW

FLL-KIN
9240-6957 75%

KIN-FLL
9240-7806 84%

FLL-MBJ
4620-3400 74%

MBJ-FLL
4620-3507 76%

JFK-KIN
10374-8761 84%

KIN-JFK
10374-9989 96%

JFK-MBJ
5390-4222 78%

MBJ-JFK
5390-5064 94%

PHL-MBJ
3234-2168 67%

MBJ-PHL
3080-2516 82%

MCO-KIN
1232-709 58%

KIN-MCO
1232-867 70%

FLTS OP BY OMNI AIR

JFK-KIN
5940-4842 82%

KIN-JFK
5940-4842 82%

US

BOS-MBJ
372-344 92%

MBJ-BOS
372-305 82%

CLT-MBJ
16560-13746 83%

MBJ-CLT
16501-15086 91%

PHL-MBJ
10750-9276 93%

MBJ-PHL
10874-9886 91%

AA

DFW-MBJ
3508-2709 77%

MBJ-DFW
3508-3114 89%

MIA-KIN
18880-14577 77%

KIN-MIA
18718-15121 81%

MIA-MBJ
16112-13671 85%

MBJ-MIA
16112-13451 83%

ORD-MBJ
1472-1216 83%

MBJ-ORD
1472-1442 98%

UA

EWR-MBJ
3246-3046 94%

MBJ-EWR
3246-3031 93%

IAH-MBJ
1386-1201 87%

MBJ-IAH
1386-1314 95%

IAD-MBJ
570-526 92%

MBJ-IAD
564-551 98%

ORD-MBJ
564-490 87%

MBJ-ORD
570-551 97%


B6

BOS-MBJ
1050-735 70%

MBJ-BOS
1200-1107 92%

FLL-KIN
300-177 60%

KIN-FLL
300-185 62%

JFK-KIN
6300-5216 83%

KIN-JFK
6300-5660 90%

JFK-MBJ
7650-6830 89%

MBJ-JFK
7650-7132 93%

MCO-MBJ
3350-2681 80%

MBJ-MCO
3200-2839 89%

DL

ATL-MBJ
15363-12434 81%

MBJ-ATL
15363-13562 88%

DTW-MBJ
367-202 55%

MBJ-DTW
367-349 95%

JFK-MBJ
693-589 85%

MBJ-JFK
700-670 96%

MSP-MBJ
350-84 24%

MBJ-MSP
350-320 92%

F9

ORD-MBJ
1362-1252 92%

MBJ-ORD
1362-1263 93%

STL-MBJ
552-521 94%

MBJ-STL
552-518 94%

NK

FLL-KIN
2314-1681 73%

KIN-FLL
2314-1781 77%

FLL-MBJ
3026-2441 81%

MBJ-FLL
3026-2408 80%

SY

LAN-MBJ
486-252 52%

MBJ-LAN
486-315 65%

MSP-MBJ
654-249 38%

MBJ-MSP
654-469 72%

FL

ATL-MBJ
4247-3926 92%

MBJ-ATL
4110-3793 92%

BWI-MBJ
4521-4152 92%

MBJ-BWI
4384-4303 98%.IMPRESSIVE

MCO-MBJ
4110-3143 76%

MBJ-MCO
4110-3317 81%

MKE-MBJ
274-249 91%

MBJ-MKE
548-513 94%


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Interesting read..

I am one of those people who was saddened to see the demise of our beloved Air Jamaica. To me, it was the only carrier to take me to and from this island of ours, and was indeed the little piece of Jamaica that flies, as the slogan said. When they merged with Caribbean Airlines, I still clung to the hope that we were still in the mix, and I flew with them a few times.

Now I'm hearing that the Air Jamaica logo may be taken off the aircraft, leaving us with nothing. That was the last straw for me. Last week, for the very first time in my life, when I went to New York I flew Jet Blue. I was impressed.

Still, there's a new kid on the block, Fly Jamaica, which up to now only has one aircraft. I cannot wait for them to get started and to also acquire more aircraft. Once again, the Jamaican brand will take to the skies and make us proud.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/enter...o-man-wants_12904748#ixzz2BYyZV7Jh

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):

Service is year round with increases during peak travel periods..
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:30 am

So when will Fly Jamaica, you know, fly?
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:40 am

Quoting JM017 (Reply 10):

Still waiting for DOT Approval...
It should be issued next week..
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:53 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 9):
'' Last week, for the very first time in my life, when I went to New York I flew Jet Blue. I was impressed. "

Everyone I know who flew B6 for the first time was very impressed with their services, and is hooked. They must be doing something right.


Some great news just announced..........Starting January 1st UN will inaugurate nonstop charter flights between Moscow and Montego Bay using B777 metal.................


'' KINGSTON, Jamaica – Jamaica is now positioned to tap into the Russian tourism market after arrangements were finalised for the introduction of direct flights from Moscow to Montego Bay.
Minister of Tourism and Entertainment, Dr. Wykeham McNeill, has announced that on January 1, next year, Russian airline Transaero will begin nonstop service from Moscow to Montego Bay using a Boeing 777 with 300 seats. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...s-to-Jamaica-from-Russia-next-year


Finally. It is about time. Good luck to this new gateway and hopefully it will be successful and become a regular service.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:13 am

In addition to the new Moscow - Montego Bay flights coming on stream January 2013, it is quite noteworthy also that the previously launched Paris - Dominican Republic - Montego Bay charters by Look Voyages will now operate as a Paris - Montego Bay nonstop. Also TUI will operate B787 flights between ARN and MBJ come winter 2013........


" The news comes as the country makes inroad into Scandinavian frontier, which includes Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

Following discussions with TUI they have confirmed flights out of Scandinavia for winter 2013-2014, from Stockholm Sweden to Montego Bay using their new Dreamliner 787 said the minister. "


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=41152


Congrats to the hard working Tourism Ministry for securing these additional flights from several non traditional markets to Jamaica. Lets hope this can be replicated with new charters from points in South America ( e.g. GRU, EZE etc ). Also good to know that the B787 will be in the '' Bay '' next year........   
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 12):
Some great news just announced..........Starting January 1st UN will inaugurate nonstop charter flights between Moscow and Montego Bay using B777 metal.................
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 12):
Finally. It is about time. Good luck to this new gateway and hopefully it will be successful and become a regular service.

Finally, after years of waiting, Jamaica has finally landed a nonstop Russian service...I am anticipating success with this route and with the upcoming World Games in Russia next summer, Jamaica will receive more publicity..

Kudos to The JTB for securing this lucrative deal..

I imagine their B777 will use maximum thrust to get airborne from MBJ..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
In addition to the new Moscow - Montego Bay flights coming on stream January 2013, it is quite noteworthy also that the previously launched Paris - Dominican Republic - Montego Bay charters by Look Voyages will now operate as a Paris - Montego Bay nonstop. Also TUI will operate B787 flights between ARN and MBJ come winter 2013........


" The news comes as the country makes inroad into Scandinavian frontier, which includes Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

Following discussions with TUI they have confirmed flights out of Scandinavia for winter 2013-2014, from Stockholm Sweden to Montego Bay using their new Dreamliner 787 said the minister. "

I had no idea Corsair's A330 had such a high density configuration..

Nice to see MBJ receiving a B787 service..The JTB has once again impressed me with entering this new market..With these new markets, Jamaica's tourism industry is poised for consistent growth..

Condor Airlines will provide connections via FRA in co operation with TUI Nordic..

Quote:
Also, Thomas Cook Nordic, has started a Jamaican programme commencing next month, with the Condor flight via Frankfurt.

"It has sold well and they have now indicated that they will also offer service from Stockholm on a fortnightly basis with their own aircraft, an Airbus 3330 for winter 2013 to 2014, which will further open up the Scandinavian market," McNeill said.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...-are-coming_13006916#ixzz2CPQG7PP5


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Jamaica is now reporting success with their Latin American exploits..The new service from CM has contributed to a 71% increase in stopover arrivals..
They are now looking to increase arrivals from Chile, Ecuador, Brazil and Argentina using the PTY hub..
However,securing a nonstop Brazil service is still a work in progress..

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...merican-tourism-takes-off_13008803
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
I imagine their B777 will use maximum thrust to get airborne from MBJ..

A very long flight indeed. Good to also have the B777 back in MBJ again, after BA's ( re ) termination of their LGW-MBJ 777 service. Who knows, probably '' Speedbird '' will be back down there again someday.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
I had no idea Corsair's A330 had such a high density configuration..

I think the CDG-MBJ flights are operated by SE using their A332s or A333s ( or a combination of both ? ) Those aircraft are also densely configured.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
Jamaica is now reporting success with their Latin American exploits..The new service from CM has contributed to a 71% increase in stopover arrivals..
They are now looking to increase arrivals from Chile, Ecuador, Brazil and Argentina using the PTY hub..
However,securing a nonstop Brazil service is still a work in progress..

Really impressive stuff. All in all, exciting times are on the horizon for MBJ with the various new flights from non traditional markets.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:54 pm

As promised, here are a few photos I took at MBJ on my way to Orlando on Monday afternoon................


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/DSC01152.jpg


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http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/DSC01175.jpg


MBJ was buzzing with activity as usual. DL is making a killing on their ATL-MBJ route it would appear. All B752 metals.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 15):
A very long flight indeed. Good to also have the B777 back in MBJ again, after BA's ( re ) termination of their LGW-MBJ 777 service. Who knows, probably '' Speedbird '' will be back down there again someday.

Ditto...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 15):
I think the CDG-MBJ flights are operated by SE using their A332s or A333s ( or a combination of both ? ) Those aircraft are also densely configured.

Hoping to see their B744 next winter into MBJ..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 15):
Really impressive stuff. All in all, exciting times are on the horizon for MBJ with the various new flights from non traditional markets.

Also, DE is now operating a twice weekly FRA-MBJ service..The Sun flight that was recently shared with VRA is now nonstop in both directions..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
As promised, here are a few photos I took at MBJ on my way to Orlando on Monday afternoon................

Nice pics..
Hopefully, some will be able to capture the new European traffic coming into MBJ..
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
DL is making a killing on their ATL-MBJ route it would appear. All B752 metals.

Not necessarily. Sometimes DL and UA will use their 75s when there are yield pressures on the routes. That is why you see them to place like CUN, MCO and HNL...it has a the right mix of capacity vs seat cost.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:43 pm

According to the OAG thread.
OAG Changes 11/30/2012: B6/WN/DL Big MEM Cut (by enilria Nov 26 2012 in Civil Aviation)

WN will operate BWI-MBJ on a twice daily basis next summer...
Nice to see BWI returning to it's glory days..

Now we are only waiting for The JTB to get it's hand on a nonstop LAX-MBJ service for next summer..

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WS is now operating twice daily YYZ-MBJ services...This is done in an order to facilitate the new Thomas Cook charter contract..Connections are now available from all major Canadian cities via YYZ..


The flight times are as follows..

YYZ-MBJ

WS2702 dep10:15- arr 14:20

WS2660 dep15:15- arr 19:20

MBJ-YYZ


WS2703 dep15:10- arr 19:19
WS 2661 dep20:15- arr 00:24 next day.
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Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:27 pm

DOT Stats May 2011..


BW

FLL-KIN
9394-4079 43%...This is what I call the B6 effect..

KIN-FLL
14014-6020 43%

FLL-MBJ
9394-4300 46%

MBJ-FLL
4774-3085 65%

JFK-KIN
9548-7461 78%

JFK-KIN
9548-8970 94%

JFK-MBJ
4774-4376 92%

MBJ-JFK
4774-4524 95%

MCO-KIN
1540-809 66%

KIN-MCO
1540-911 59%

PHL-MBJ
2618-1780 68%

MBJ-PHL
2618-1882 72%

AA

DFW-MBJ
3360-2962 88%

MBJ-DFW
3360-3098 92%

MIA-KIN
19680-12541 64%

KIN-MIA
19680-13768 70%..AA op 4 daily during this month..

MIA-MBJ
16820-14662 87%

MBJ-MIA
1646814479 88%

ORD-MBJ
1180-982 83%

MBJ-ORD
1180-1083 92%

B6

FLL-KIN
6450-3510 54%

KIN-FLL
6450-3923 61%

JFK-KIN
4650-3982 86%

KIN-JFK
4650-4334 93%

JFK-MBJ
5700-5122 90%

MBJ-JFK
5700-5338 94%

MCO-MBJ
4650-3840 83%

MBJ-MCO
4650-3891 84%

US

CLT-MBJ
15653-13897 89%

MBJ-CLT
15529-14020 90%

PHL-MBJ
9470-7819 83%

MBJ-PHL
9320-7982 86%

F9
ORD-MBJ
1512-1222 81%

MBJ-ORD
1512-1224 81%

STL-MBJ
828-809 98%

MBJ-STL
828-701 85%

DL

ATL-MBJ
15673-14147 90%

MBJ-ATL
15822-14231 90%

NK

FLL-KIN
3803-1805 47%

KIN-FLL
3803-2002 53%

FLL-MBJ
5347-4268 80%

MBJ-FLL
5347-4309 81%

UA
EWR-MBJ
1238-1178 95%

MBJ-EWR
1221-1170 96%

IAD-MBJ
558-507 91%

MBJ-IAD
558-518 93%

IAH-MBJ
2276-2101 92%

MBJ-IAH
2126-2032 96%

FL

ATL-MBJ
4247-4014 95%

MBJ-ATL
4247-3753 88%

BWI-MBJ
4247-3994 94%

MBJ-BWI
4110-3967 96%

MCO-MBJ
4247-3440 81%

MBJ-MCO
4384-3604 82%
IAH-MBJ
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:50 pm

So Fly Jamaica is finally approved by DOT..

http://airlineinfo.com/ost14/ost113012.html#Fly




Fly Jamaica Airways Limited d/b/a FlyJamaica

Order 2012-11-38
OST-2012-0171 - Exemption and Foreign Air Carrier Permit - Jamaica-US Scheduled Passenger

Issued and Served November 30, 2012

Order Granting Exemption and To Show Cause

By application filed October 11, 2012 (as amended October 15, 2012), Fly Jamaica Airways Limited, a foreign air carrier of Jamaica, requests an exemption under 49 U.S.C. §40109, and a foreign air carrier permit under 49 U.S.C. §41301, to engage in: 1) scheduled foreign air transportation of persons and property from a point or points behind Jamaica, via Jamaica and intermediate points, to a point or points in the United States and beyond; 2) charter services pursuant to Part 212 of the Department’s regulations.

On October 25, 2012, Mr. John Gilmore filed an answer in support of Fly Jamaica’s request. In addition to expressing his support for Fly Jamaica’s application, Mr. Gilmore asserts that Caribbean Airlines Ltd. , a foreign air carrier serving the Jamaica-U.S. market, is subsidized by the Government of Trinidad and Tobago, and suggests that we monitor the activities of CAL to assure that it does not engage in predatory pricing in competing with Fly Jamaica. Mr. Gilmore also states that the application of Fly Jamaica does not contain flight schedule information that would allow the Department to assess the level of sixth-freedom traffic that the carrier would transport; and questions whether certain fitness information regarding capital requirements, that is required of U.S. carrier applicants, is also required of foreign carrier applicants.



Also


Summary
By this order we (1) grant the application of the referenced foreign air carrier for an exemption
under 49 U.S.C. §40109, subject to conditions;
1
and (2) tentatively find that it is in the public
interest to grant the applicant the foreign air carrier permit attached as Appendix B to this order.
Background
On August 23, 2005, the Department issued a Notice, in Docket DOT-OST-2005-22228,
announcing several steps designed to streamline our regulatory procedures for licensing U.S. and
foreign air carriers. Among other things, the Notice stated that:
Assuming, based on the record and on the public interest/public convenience and
necessity elements germane to our licensing decisions, that we were in a position to act
favorably, we would proceed to issue a single order (1) granting the exemption request
for whatever duration we would normally have imposed, or until certificate/permit
authority becomes effective, whichever is shorter, and (2) tentatively deciding (i.e.,
show-cause) to award a corresponding certificate (or permit), again for the standard
duration we would normally have imposed (such as, in the case of certificates, five
years for limited-entry markets, indefinite for open-entry markets, and in the case of
permits, five years for comity and reciprocity regimes, indefinite for agreement
regimes).

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The conditions are attached as Appendix A.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:02 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
WN will operate BWI-MBJ on a twice daily basis next summer...

Can't say I am surprised by this. Was expected.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
Now we are only waiting for The JTB to get it's hand on a nonstop LAX-MBJ service for next summer..

I am certain many travellers from the west coast would welcome the return of a non-stop link to MBJ.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 20):
This is what I call the B6 effect..

Flew down from MCO on Friday afternoon. Load was 95%. The northbound was 85%.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 21):
So Fly Jamaica is finally approved by DOT..

I notice on their facebook page they said they are awaiting the green light from FAA.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 21):
So Fly Jamaica is finally approved by DOT..

I'm glad to see this happen.

Returned to GCM last night after a weekend in Kingston. Saw their B752 for the first time, parked in the maintenance area at KIN.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):
I am certain many travellers from the west coast would welcome the return of a non-stop link to MBJ.

SFO-MBJ, pretty please!! (A guy can dream, can't he?)

For SFO-based pax, connecting at LAX is at least as much of a hassle as going via DFW, IAH, ATL, or MIA. In fact, LAX is a pretty crappy airport, to be honest.
 
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:08 pm

I'll be visiting Jamaica on my holiday next week and might fancy a couple of visits to MBJ for a bit of spotting. What's the do's and dont's of spotting in MBJ ? Any suggested photo places near the runway ends ??
I presume weekend are the busiest times.

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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:09 am

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 24):
SFO-MBJ, pretty please!! (A guy can dream, can't he?)

For SFO-based pax, connecting at LAX is at least as much of a hassle as going via DFW, IAH, ATL, or MIA. In fact, LAX is a pretty crappy airport, to be honest.

JM operated the MBJ-SFO route for a ( very ) short period in the past. Late '80's/early '90's era. What I can't recall is if the flight was operated via LAX or nonstop. Metal was the A300. Doubt if any other carrier ever operated scheduled and/or charters on that sector in the past. In any case I suspect that a LAX-MBJ service would ( re ) materialise before a SFO-MBJ one.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 25):
I'll be visiting Jamaica on my holiday next week and might fancy a couple of visits to MBJ for a bit of spotting. What's the do's and dont's of spotting in MBJ ? Any suggested photo places near the runway ends ??
I presume weekend are the busiest times.

Weekends are definately much busier than weekdays at MBJ. And will even get busier when the height of the winter season come around. As for spotting, that may be somewhat of a challenge as the ideal spot near RWY 07 end has been closed off as far as I know. Your best bet I think would be that popular bar/grill location on Kent Avenue. Hummingbird should be able to give more details on this.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:03 pm

After a 4 months delay, the repaving of runway 07/25 will commence in January..............well lets hope it actually does  


'' REHABILITATION work on the runway of the Sangster International Airport will begin in January.
MBJ Airports limited signed a contract yesterday for the rehabilitation work valued at US$18.9 million ($1.7 billion) with Jamaican company, Surrey Paving and Canadian-based IDL Projects and Belvedere Place Development. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...y-repaving-starts-January_13138894


Incidentally on my B6 flight down from Orlando last week Friday, a visitor from Jacksonville seated next to me was asking when will they resurface the runway at MBJ and I was telling her that it should have started months ago. Also I am wondering when will they break ground on the new control tower project.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 26):
Quoting TC957 (Reply 25):
I'll be visiting Jamaica on my holiday next week and might fancy a couple of visits to MBJ for a bit of spotting. What's the do's and dont's of spotting in MBJ ? Any suggested photo places near the runway ends ??
I presume weekend are the busiest times.

Weekends are definately much busier than weekdays at MBJ. And will even get busier when the height of the winter season come around. As for spotting, that may be somewhat of a challenge as the ideal spot near RWY 07 end has been closed off as far as I know. Your best bet I think would be that popular bar/grill location on Kent Avenue. Hummingbird should be able to give more details on this.

Interesting news for me too should I go to MBJ for aircraft spotting. Isn't there a beach at rwy 07 and is photography not even possible with this area closed? The most important question is: when is the sun located in front of you and when is it behind you? This is crucial for us aircraft spotters and can make or brake a spotting trip  

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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 28):
Isn't there a beach at rwy 07 and is photography not even possible with this area closed?

Think there is now fencing in that area and they have signs posted as it being restricted, but not certain if people still hang out there any at all, to avoid confrontations with authorities.

Quoting A388 (Reply 28):
The most important question is: when is the sun located in front of you and when is it behind you? This is crucial for us aircraft spotters and can make or brake a spotting trip

Yes I do realise that it makes a big difference where photography is concerned. What I observe is that when inside the terminal, you get better photo results when standing facing runway 07/25 as opposed to standing over the other side facing the highway/mountains. See the diagram of the layout in the link below. Then again, being inside one have to contend with the glare from the glass sometimes.................


http://www.mbjairport.com/images/sia...aster_plan-land_use_plan_final.jpg
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Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:55 pm

Some interesting news here. Despite very slim growth in visitor arrivals from traditional markets such as the USA and Canada, and a decline in arrivals from Europe, the smaller non-traditional markets have shown impressive growth to date. Also China is surpassing Japan as the top Asian market for arrivals albeit still very small.........


'' However, the slim growth hides the rapid rise in smaller markets including France from which arrivals was up 160 per cent to some 7,200, Colombia up 247 per cent to some 2,500, and Chile up 309 per cent to some 2,300 arrivals for the year to August, according to JTB statistics. ''


'' The additional arrivals from Colombia and Chile were attributable to service to Jamaica by the Latin America-based Copa Airlines, which earlier bumped up its flights. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121209/business/business2.html


Lets hope this trend continues for the non-traditional markets.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 29):
Yes I do realise that it makes a big difference where photography is concerned. What I observe is that when inside the terminal, you get better photo results when standing facing runway 07/25 as opposed to standing over the other side facing the highway/mountains. See the diagram of the layout in the link below. Then again, being inside one have to contend with the glare from the glass sometimes.................

That would mean that spotting in MBJ isn't worth it because the sun is in front of you. The only option is photography from within the terminal itself. Unless the terminal building itself has a public restaurant that allows good aircraft photography (even with glare from the sun).

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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
Unless the terminal building itself has a public restaurant that allows good aircraft photography

Couple months ago there were talks that they were planning to construct restaurant facilities at both KIN and MBJ that would allow for great views of the tarmac and operations. Not certain if they have started this project as yet but I will keep you posted.


According to this report, they have now determined the cause of the AA 331 KIN overshoot in December 2009......


'' Some 145 passengers narrowly escaped death in December 2009 when AA flight 331, flying from Miami to Kingston, overshot the runway at the Norman Manley International Airport and came to a stop inches from the sea just off the Port Royal main road.

Yesterday, the Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority (JCAA), which has been probing the incident, said it has now determined the cause of the crash.

However, director general of the JCAA, Lieutenant Colonel Oscar Derby, declined to discuss the findings, saying the report is still being finalised and will first have to go to Transport Minister Dr Omar Davies.

He said the report could be released by the end of next month. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121211/lead/lead5.html


Wouldn't be surprised if the final report is even further extended into next year, as it was expected to be ready in May/June of 2012. But as we all know, these investigations take time so we patiently await the findings.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:43 pm

Good news coming from the tourism front..
The first flight arriving from Russia is showing a full load...I can assure you, the high loads will continue for the rest of the season..


THE historic first flight from Moscow, Russia to Montego Bay in January next year is said to be fully sold out, according to Jamaica Tourism Minister Dr Wykeham McNeill.

Russian airline Transaero will begin nonstop service from Moscow to Montego Bay on January 1, using a Boeing 777 aircraft with a seating capacity of 300 passengers.



The flight is scheduled to arrive at 1:00 pm, McNeill told the Jamaica Observer Monday Exchange at the newspaper%u2019s head offices in Kingston yesterday.

The chartered flight, organised by Russian tour operator Biblio Globus, is scheduled to operate initially for three months, with discussions for them to continue into the summer and throughout the entire year.

Last month, the tourism minister announced that Jamaica has also secured airlift out of several European cities which, it is hoped, will bring thousands of visitors to the island for the upcoming winter tourist season which runs from December 15 through to April.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...-flight-fully-booked#ixzz2EmQpqqqs


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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):
Can't say I am surprised by this. Was expected.

I hope they will add a 3rd daily by next winter..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):
Flew down from MCO on Friday afternoon. Load was 95%. The northbound was 85%.

B6 is killing BW on the FLL-KIN route..In Jan, BW will reduce FLL-KIN from the current two dailies..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):
I notice on their facebook page they said they are awaiting the green light from FAA.
Quoting N312RM (Reply 23):

Hope they take to the skies soon..

Quoting TC957 (Reply 25):
I'll be visiting Jamaica on my holiday next week and might fancy a couple of visits to MBJ for a bit of spotting. What's the do's and dont's of spotting in MBJ ? Any suggested photo places near the runway ends ??
I presume weekend are the busiest times.

Many thanks
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 26):
Weekends are definately much busier than weekdays at MBJ. And will even get busier when the height of the winter season come around. As for spotting, that may be somewhat of a challenge as the ideal spot near RWY 07 end has been closed off as far as I know. Your best bet I think would be that popular bar/grill location on Kent Avenue. Hummingbird should be able to give more details on this.

The best place to spot is on Kent Ave as AirJamaica suggested..There are walls surrounding the airport that allows you to capture the arrivals from different angles..

These are pics I took in 2007, the area has not changed that much..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 30):
'' The additional arrivals from Colombia and Chile were attributable to service to Jamaica by the Latin America-based Copa Airlines, which earlier bumped up its flights. ''

IMO, The JTB should engage The Avianca Group to start flights into MBJ via their BOG hub..
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:52 pm

According to The Jamaica Gleaner, Fly Jamaica will fly before Christmas..


He said the company has now started to prepare flight schedules and is awaiting fare approval. Fly Jamaica Airways is also in negotiations with airports to arrange terminal slots and immigrations agreements.

"Many things are going on at the same time. A myriad of clearances must happen, but they are working simultaneously. We will fly before Christmas, even if I have to do one flight to start the process," Tai said.

After 14 months of working assiduously to get the airline off the ground, Tai said the operators were quite satisfied with the progress.

"Despite the level of frustration, we were determined and committed to getting this project done. We feel it is a critical project for Jamaica," Tai said.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121214/social/social5.html
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 34):
According to The Jamaica Gleaner, Fly Jamaica will fly before Christmas..


Thanks for the post. I was starting to lose hope.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:15 pm

Fly Jamaica is going to be a great success , as preparation for this venture was carried out in the correct manner. This is unlike what others think in the Caribbean forum. BW's nightmare is becoming a reality.
 
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:33 pm

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 36):

I agree, " the writing is on the wall"..

Take a look at this story..

Asked if the company was making money from its Air Jamaica investment, Moonan responded: "The company is not yet realising any profits from its Air Jamaica operations. On that side of the business, stiff competition from several low-fares airlines out of the US has caused CAL to revisit its strategies and its cost structure, which we are progressively working on in an effort to level the playing field."

He noted the airline was also in the process of reviewing its routes.

The airline has already dropped one route, from Montego Bay to Philadelphia, USA.

"We will look to consolidate flights and run more during the peak periods and less during the off periods," he said.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 33):
Good news coming from the tourism front..
The first flight arriving from Russia is showing a full load...I can assure you, the high loads will continue for the rest of the season..

Saw a television interview with Tourism Minister Wykeham McNeill yesterday and he noted that the second flight is also fully booked, so quite a promising start for this long awaited route.

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 36):
BW's nightmare is becoming a reality.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 37):
" the writing is on the wall"..

Take a look at this story..

As was stated many threads ago, KIN is a totally different turf. Not surprised by the details of that article.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 37):
Take a look at this story..

Asked if the company was making money from its Air Jamaica investment, Moonan responded: "The company is not yet realising any profits from its Air Jamaica operations. On that side of the business, stiff competition from several low-fares airlines out of the US has caused CAL to revisit its strategies and its cost structure, which we are progressively working on in an effort to level the playing field."

He noted the airline was also in the process of reviewing its routes.

The airline has already dropped one route, from Montego Bay to Philadelphia, USA.

I agree that Jamaica apparently is a different environment for BW to compete in as they have much more competition but we must also not forget that any airline merger isn't going to give you profits in two years orso. What I read in the quoted text are only logical measures that any airline would take in order to position themselves better compared to where they are now.

Regarding FlyJamaica, I have my doubts of this airline becoming a success but as I did with BW I give them time to prove themselves. I hope to see them or Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica in Curacao one day.

So in a nutshell, good luck to both Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica and FlyJamaica.

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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 33):
IMO, The JTB should engage The Avianca Group to start flights into MBJ via their BOG hub..

TA had looked at serving KIN a couple of times (remember they also served KIN many many years ago) from various points in C. America. At one point even looking at tagging KIN to their SAL-BZE.

So they should have all the data needed.

A 4X E-190 KIN-SAL/GUA might work. Lots of business ties developing...Siman (owners of Courts), Digicel, Guardian Life, etc....even Grace Kennedy now has GUA operations.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 39):

BW lacks what JM had, and that was a very loyal VFR market, which hung in there through thick aand thin, even when the fares werent the most competitive. Jcans will now jump on who ever is cheaper and so now there is more competition into KIN than what JM had, or what BW is accustomed to in its core POS/GEO market.

Do not know what other routes they might drop as they are now down to the core FLL/JFK/YYZ in its KIN base. They have recently increased off season service to MCO so it couldnt be that route.

We will see what happens to FlyJamaica. I have my doubts, but then one never knows.
 
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 20):
FLL-KIN
9394-4079 43%...This is what I call the B6 effect..

It's really just the South Florida effect--FLL/MIA LFs to KIN/MBJ have been abysmal for years, especially for carriers that don't have a hub in South Florida.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 20):
DOT Stats May 2011..

Outside of Florida just about everything starts with a 9, even in a low month like May--not a lot of room there for improvement with fares so low.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 42):
It's really just the South Florida effect--FLL/MIA LFs to KIN/MBJ have been abysmal for years, especially for carriers that don't have a hub in South Florida.

You know this not jsut Jamaica.....AA is beginning to struggle out of MIA on quite a few routes to The Caribbean and Central America. UA, DL, US are eating into their markets as people start to shift away from MIA (like me!). For example, here in BZE.. AA's.MIA used to be THE route.....now it has been eclipsed by UAs IAH. DFW is surging, same for ATL.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:46 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 41):
Jcans will now jump on who ever is cheaper and so now there is more competition into KIN

   And many are seemingly jumping on B6.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 42):
It's really just the South Florida effect--FLL/MIA LFs to KIN/MBJ have been abysmal for years, especially for carriers that don't have a hub in South Florida.

But why would B6 be so eager to start FLL-KIN if that market was so abysmal for years, even when two other carriers were already entrenched on it at the time of their inaugural ? All this in addition to the fact that AA has MIA-KIN/MBJ locked next door, though I do agree that they benefit immensely from additional connection traffic through their humongous MIA hub.
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:29 am

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 38):
Saw a television interview with Tourism Minister Wykeham McNeill yesterday and he noted that the second flight is also fully booked, so quite a promising start for this long awaited route.

Great news indeed..Good to see the return of the B777 to MBJ..

Quoting A388 (Reply 39):
I agree that Jamaica apparently is a different environment for BW to compete in as they have much more competition but we must also not forget that any airline merger isn't going to give you profits in two years orso. What I read in the quoted text are only logical measures that any airline would take in order to position themselves better compared to where they are now.

But since the merger, the airline has yet to realize any real profit..What I find funny is the current GOJ has been silent on the issue..

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 40):
TA had looked at serving KIN a couple of times (remember they also served KIN many many years ago) from various points in C. America. At one point even looking at tagging KIN to their SAL-BZE.

So they should have all the data needed.

A 4X E-190 KIN-SAL/GUA might work. Lots of business ties developing...Siman (owners of Courts), Digicel, Guardian Life, etc....even Grace Kennedy now has GUA operations.

Do you think they would combine KIN and MBJ to capitalize on the Jamaican market, thus the service would cater to the business and leisure market..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 41):
They have recently increased off season service to MCO so it couldnt be that route.

I thought the increase was the extra POS-MCO nonstop and not the POS-KIN-MCO legs..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 41):
Do not know what other routes they might drop as they are now down to the core FLL/JFK/YYZ in its KIN base.

I can see future frequency reductions on all three routes, especially YYZ and JFK...

Unlike EZJet, BW cannot engage in predatory pricing on the KIN-JFK route with FlyJamaica as they are being monitored by The DOT..

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 42):
It's really just the South Florida effect--FLL/MIA LFs to KIN/MBJ have been abysmal for years, especially for carriers that don't have a hub in South Florida.

Since the transition, BW has dominated the route with their 3 daily flights, with lfs in the 70s-80s...Since B6 entered the market with their 2 daily flights, BW started and has continued to see a loss of seats to B6...The lowest round trip fare you will find on the route is within the $300 range..
Its good to note that BW offers 2 bags free, while B6 offers 1 bag free, yet Jamaicans are flocking to B6 in droves..

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
You know this not jsut Jamaica.....AA is beginning to struggle out of MIA on quite a few routes to The Caribbean and Central America.

Give AA two years to re-organize their cost structure and they will be a force to be reckoned with.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 44):
But why would B6 be so eager to start FLL-KIN if that market was so abysmal for years, even when two other carriers were already entrenched on it at the time of their inaugural ? All this in addition to the fact that AA has MIA-KIN/MBJ locked next door, though I do agree that they benefit immensely from additional connection traffic through their humongous MIA hub.

  
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:01 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 45):
But since the merger, the airline has yet to realize any real profit..What I find funny is the current GOJ has been silent on the issue..

That's exactly what I'm saying, don't expect any airline to make a profit after a merger with another airline. I know Jamaica is a different ballgame but BW needs more time to get things in order, just like any other airline would so I'm not saying that they will do well or do worse but just to give them time to prove themselves. What they are doing now is adjusting to the current situation and take measures to attempt to improve their operation. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. If these measures don't work, they will look at other options and if all fails, they will pull out and based on what I've read in the past, the GoJ will have to pay them a lot of money if they have to leave, maybe this is why the GoJ is so silent(?)

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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 45):

The nonstop POS MCO flight releases seats for the KIN MCO. Dont know whther those seats are used or not, but they are available.

Quoting A388 (Reply 46):

BW does NOT have more time to get their act together. They are bleeding cash. While they will have to support their POS operations, as they are a T&T airline, if Jamaica doesnt work and is a cash drain, they will just dump it.

Their market share on the JFK KIN/MBJ seems stable. They have cut service to YYZ, meaning that they have LOST market share (4X 738s, down from JMs 6x A321). FLL looks shaky. A big problem with them is that many of the Jcans who live in So FL have ties to BOTH the NY area and to Jamaica so making B6 their carrier, for frequent flyer purposes begins to look tempting.

Whats saving BW with Jcans is the 2 free bag rule. That is their savior on the JFK.
 
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:00 pm

More competition to YYZ next summer..Air Canada has announced their new LLC division, called Rogue..KIN will be one of their destinations starting July 13, 2013..They will operate a special configured A319, 5 times a week to KIN..

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/ro...ign=2012_December_ACHomepage_Rouge

Quoting A388 (Reply 46):
the GoJ will have to pay them a lot of money if they have to leave, maybe this is why the GoJ is so silent(?)

The GOJ will not have to pay and per the contract, BW cannot drop more routes...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 47):
BW does NOT have more time to get their act together. They are bleeding cash. While they will have to support their POS operations, as they are a T&T airline, if Jamaica doesnt work and is a cash drain, they will just dump it.

At this time, its best to focus their resources on building a strong GEO operation..Lots of potential in the deep South...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 47):
heir market share on the JFK KIN/MBJ seems stable.

For now...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 47):
They have cut service to YYZ, meaning that they have LOST market share (4X 738s, down from JMs 6x A321)

Lets see what will happen next summer..What will it be like to have, AC,WS,BW and FlyJam operating to KIN..
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RE: To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45..

Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 46):

Actually GoJ is being silent on BWs noncompliance with the original agreement. They were supposed to service 6 routes out of Mbj/KIN. They service only 5, including NAS. BW plays no role in ensuring that Jca has airlift to support its vital tourism industry.

There is no reason for GoJ to pay BW anything if BW was unable to develop a profitable operation in KIN. BW got into this knowing that this was a very different market.

1. Way more competitive.

2. Not assured of the loyalty factor, indeed in the early days there was even hostility, though I think that most Jcans are now reconciled to their presence, and many value their two free bag policy.

3. It is clear that the GoJ didnt make any promises about preventing another Jca based carrier from diluting BWs VFR market as BW has raised no objections to FlyJ.


The way I see it GoTT was helping GoJ out of a jam and it fit into Emperor Patrick Manning's Emperor fantasies. GoJ became compliant with the IMF with JM off their hands. And they were saved the political fall out of having to close down Air J...that brand exists even today, even though no longer Jcan owned, ad no longer an independent carrier.


GoJ doesnt care if BW leaves the KIN/MBJ North Am routes as that airlift will easily be replaced. The existing GoTT will merely mark the discontinuance of this base as another failure of the previous govt, and will n ote their opposition to gthis deal when it was made.

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