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What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:37 am

Most of their operations have been shifted over to EWR since the CO merger, but I still see a few TCONs left in the system to LAX and SFO. Do they have any INTL ops left at JFK or is it all EWR now? Are they trying to phase out UA completely at JFK or are those TCON flights there to stay?
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:43 am

JFK is one of UA's highest yielding stations. The transcons you notice are marketed as "PS" flights, which are served by 3-class aircraft and feature upgraded catering, service, etc.

United also has a lounge at JFK for these passengers.


Non-hub (including international) services from JFK are unlikely from UA.
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:46 am

I don't think anything was transferred over to EWR in the merger. It was a small, specialized and profitable station with LAX/SFO service (as well as some RJs to IAD), and thats how it remains today.
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting PDX88 (Thread starter):

I believe their last remaining international flight from JFK (JFK-LHR) ended sometime in 2005 or 2006.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:05 am

The only routes from JFK are:
LAX: 6x daily B757-200
SFO: 7x daily B757-200
IAD: 4x daily ExpressJet CRJ-200

I just picked a random Monday in November for the frequencies, everything else is at LGA (ORD, CLE, DEN, IAH, IAD) and EWR.
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:07 am

I saw in one of the OAG threads recently that UA was increasing JFK-LAX to 9x daily soon, as well.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:14 am

I hope UA revives CO's on again, off again, IAH-JFK route.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:44 am

I wonder if UA would consider two more slots at LHR to reinstate JFK-LHR. It would give them an edge with service to LHR from both NYC international airports. Worth a shot?
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 7):
I wonder if UA would consider two more slots at LHR to reinstate JFK-LHR. It would give them an edge with service to LHR from both NYC international airports. Worth a shot?

While a lack of LHR-JFK is a big gap in the Star Alliance route network, once daily would not be a competitive schedule against any of the operators (especially the BA/AA JV shuttle service) nor would it offer good connections on UA/Star at either end. The best bet for Star if they want to offer LHR-JFK is to bring VS into the alliance, which is rumoured to be a strong possibility.
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:19 pm

I was thinking JFK-LHR twice or three times a day might work with sUA aircraft equipped with F, since EWR-LHR does not have F.

I think if UA could gain a little more of a foothold at JFK, UA could be more oriented to serving all of the NYC metro area. At one time UA did serve both JFK and EWR to LHR in the 90's. So did AA.It's not as if UA is an unknown player in the UA. UA should build on its reinvigorated strength in the NYC market after having dwindled there so long up to the merger.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting PDX88 (Thread starter):
Most of their operations have been shifted over to EWR since the CO merger

As a matter of fact none of their operations were shifted at all since the merger...everything that was shifted was done long before the UA/CO merger...everything at JFK is exactly the same as it was at the time of the merger. As to what may happen, we will see...I do agree that the only additions would be hub flying...I don't expect any non hub additions, if they add anything at all...
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:55 pm

There is probably already too much capacity on JFK-LHR. Why would UA throw money away to add it?
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:06 pm

JFK>LHR and JFK>NRT : Weren't they both UA at one time?

Interesting points on whether to have them or not. I guess by not having them, they have allowed DL and foreign carriers to get these going. Surely, UA would have enough pull to get 170 people on a 752 JFK>LHR, no? Slots, I realize, are a different story.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 12):
JFK>LHR and JFK>NRT : Weren't they both UA at one time?

While I worked for UA, JFK served NRT, HKG, LHR, EZE, GRU, SJU, CCS. Not long before I started working for them JFK served even more overseas routes.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting Delimit (Reply 11):
There is probably already too much capacity on JFK-LHR. Why would UA throw money away to add it?

I agree, but if they did...

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 12):
Surely, UA would have enough pull to get 170 people on a 752 JFK>LHR, no?

I would expect that in order to compete on JFK-LHR, they would need to offer F class, so that would mean 763 / 764 / 772 / 744.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting hrc773 (Reply 13):
JFK served NRT

Yes I remember that. I remember when United flew the 747 (100 or 200, not sure which) to JFK. That was back in the 80s when the 400 did not exist, although already on order by the major airlines including United. Northwest, United and JAL were the three competitors on that route. I'm not sure if United flew the route nonstop, or with a stop in SFO. The 741 could not fly JFK-NRT nonstop (that's why Pan Am bought the SP) but the 742 could.

Speaking of United's operations at JFK, I believe that they also flew JFK-SEA nonstop with 752 equipment 1x daily back in the 90s when they were pretty strong in the NYC market (JFK/LGA/EWR combined).

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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):

I would expect that in order to compete on JFK-LHR, they would need to offer F class, so that would mean 763 / 764 / 772 / 744.

I always wondered if they could do PS service 757s to LHR and if that would be worth the effort.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:38 pm

UA had already cut JFK-LHR and JFK-NRT before the merger. They went away in the bankruptcy and reorganization years.

Those two routes are prestige routes. UA doesn't run prestige routes anymore. They could operate them, but with 4 airline serving them and AA and DL in a fierce yield killing battle in JFK, there's no money to be made for UA.
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 17):
A had already cut JFK-LHR and JFK-NRT before the merger. They went away in the bankruptcy and reorganization years.

They were not cut...they moved them to IAD as well as the GRU flt
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting penguinflies (Reply 16):
I always wondered if they could do PS service 757s to LHR and if that would be worth the effort.

I would imagine the only technical obstacle to that would be whether or not the PS 757s are ETOPS.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 1):
JFK is one of UA's highest yielding stations

That's because they have so few flights and the flights they have are in cherry picked routes.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 6):
I hope UA revives CO's on again, off again, IAH-JFK route.

No reason for this route to exist.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 9):
I was thinking JFK-LHR twice or three times a day might work with sUA aircraft equipped with F, since EWR-LHR does not have F.

Flying JFK-LHR would completely undermine CO's and now UA's argument that EWR is just as convenient for NY especially Manhattan as is JFK. There is no demand for JFK-LHR F class on UA. People with that high loyalty for UA would use EWR.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 7):
It would give them an edge with service to LHR from both NYC international airports. Worth a shot?

Wouldn't it cost a great deal of money to do anew route like this just because it worth a shot? I don't think airlines
"look at a new route as worth a shot. It is much more involved and complicated than that.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:34 pm

How about a PS JFK-LHR service? Once or twice daily?
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:33 pm

With PS service going to flat bed J seats and removing the current F product it would even be less practical to add an LHR flight just because of the F class.
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:07 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 22):
How about a PS JFK-LHR service? Once or twice daily?

Not a good use of a slot at LHR
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:46 am

A little JFK Pacific History - For a period in 1990-91 United flew a 747-SP EWR-NRT and a 747 JFK-NRT. Not sure whether it was a 100 or 200. I know the 100 could fly JFK-NRT as NW used to fly the 100 but often made a fuel stop. Then NW got a couple 200's and no more fuel stops. United soon canceled EWR and upgraded JFK to a 400.
 
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RE: What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?

Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:16 pm

Initially, after "Pac Day" in 1986, UA flew twice daily 747SP's JFK-NRT. Later they purchased two 747-200's new from Boeing which were dedicated to the JFK-NRT route for a single daily flight. For a brief time, UA operated a 2nd 747-200 (ex-QF) three or four times a week, but that didn't last very long.

I'm not sure what happened to those two 747-222's when JFK-NRT was discontinued. I don't recall ever seeing them elsewhere on the system.