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WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:07 pm

No official release yet, but appears to start in April 14. 2013 per www.southwest.com. FL service on these routes decease April 13, 2013. Here is the schedule:

SJU-MCO

139 8:00A 11:10A 1234567 N/S
136 3:20P 6:30P 1234567 N/S
132 7:00P 10:10P 1234567 N/S

MCO-SJU

126 8:00A 10:45A 1234567 N/S
140 11:55A 2:35P 1234567 N/S
1079 6:45P 9:25P _____6_ N/S
742 7:35P 10:15P 12345_7 N/S

SJU-TPA

129 11:30A 2:40P 1234567 N/S

TPA-SJU

31 3:25P 6:15P 1234567 N/S

There is some previous discussion recently this thread about SJU as well:

WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops (by N211BW Oct 24 2012 in Civil Aviation)



[Edited 2012-11-01 12:26:35]
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:17 pm

Flight 31 will be DAL-HOU-TPA-SJU
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:17 pm

True. Just tried to book for 4/15-19 and automatically redirects you to WN's offerings.
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:22 pm

Here are the cities reachable on published service as of April 14. Some cities like BOS and BUR are only reachable in one direction on one day of the week, so I'll leave those omitted as that's not a viable option for the traveling public in most cases. Connections available daily in both directions unless noted, and inbound for example would be SJU-ALB:

ALB (except inbound on Saturdays)
ABQ (only on weekdays)
ATL (except inbound on weekends)
AUS (Satuday only)
BWI
BHM
BUF (except inbound on weekends)
MDW
CMH
DAL (except Saturday inbound)
DEN
FNT
FLL
BDL
HOU
MCI
LAS
ISP
LAX (except outbound on Sundays)
MHT (saturday only SJU-MHT, daily MHT-SJU)
BNA
MSY
ORF (Saturday only)
OMA (Saturday only OMA-SJU, daily SJU-OMA)
PHL
PHX
PIT (Saturday only)
PVD
RDU (SJU-RDU daily except Saturday, daily RDU-SJU)
ROC (SJU-ROC daily except Sunday, daily ROC-SJU)
STL
SAN (SJU-SAN daily except Satuday, daily SAN-SJU)
SFO (weird schedule, inbound not available on weekends, outbound only available on weekends)
TUL (Saturday only)



The cities that have multiple daily flights to MCO and TPA are obviously the lucky ones. It's interesting how some cities are available on certain days of the week due to the Saturday schedule being different as well as Sunday's in some cases.

[Edited 2012-11-01 12:28:28]
 
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:39 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 3):
Here are the cities reachable on published service as of April 14.

Yikes--terrible flow fares on top of a local market that even NK looked at and said, "ew, gross." Good luck WN.
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:40 pm

FLL/BWI/ATL will continue on FL. I was worried that they were going to cut ATL, but I'm pleased it appears to be staying for the long term. They probably would have cut it now and made SJU a WN-only station if ATL weren't in their longer term plan for SJU.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
FLL/BWI/ATL will continue on FL. I was worried that they were going to cut ATL, but I'm pleased it appears to be staying for the long term. They probably would have cut it now and made SJU a WN-only station if ATL weren't in their longer term plan for SJU.

I would think it is still something to be determined. However, ATL is likely going to remain a substantial station for WN going forward.

Glad this one is finally out now though. I'm shocked most people were able to bite their tongues on this the last few days until it was public.
 
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Yikes--terrible flow fares on top of a local market that even NK looked at and said, "ew, gross." Good luck WN.

Lol, sooo true... SJU is obviously not a gold mine...specially SJU-TPA ykes....
 
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:31 pm

TPA-SJU is a very strong market, and supports both FL/WN and B6 service. This was previously a very high-priced route on AA and it has grown significantly from both MCO and TPA since FL/WN began service and offered lower fares.
The timings for TPA-SJU-TPA do not work well for connections to the cruise ship traffic so those folks will default to B6, drive to MCO or route via ATL, CLT, or MIA on DL, US and AA. Overall WN will do very well with the SJU service.
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:52 pm

Here's the official release:

http://swamedia.com/releases/1a3ba882-50d9-4852-b509-39b216ba9902

Excerpt:

Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) now offers for sale nonstop service from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to Orlando and Tampa Bay, for travel beginning on Sunday, April 14, 2013. Beginning in April, Southwest will operate three daily nonstop flights between Orlando and San Juan and one daily nonstop flight between Tampa Bay and San Juan, as the carrier transitions these routes from AirTran-operated city pairs. To celebrate the new San Juan service, Southwest announced a fare sale of $99* one-way between these markets. These fares must be booked by Nov. 7, 2012, for travel between Monday, April 15, 2013, and Thursday, May 23, 2013 (Friday and Sunday travel is excluded).
 
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:38 pm

I see that Providence will have one stop through service to SJU on 737-800 each way via MCO when this starts.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 8):
TPA-SJU is a very strong market, and supports both FL/WN and B6 service. This was previously a very high-priced route on AA and it has grown significantly from both MCO and TPA since FL/WN began service and offered lower fares.

Yield sucks and demand is far lower than the route's overcapacity. That's not a "very strong" market. It was a strong market with AA - because one daily 738 is perfectly in line with demand.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:56 am

How do the SJU flights play into Southwest's philosophy of never connecting more than twice for a flight? SJU is excellent news for WN, but will be a very very long day if you're connecting from LAX, BOI, GEG, SMF, etc.....
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:06 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 12):
How do the SJU flights play into Southwest's philosophy of never connecting more than twice for a flight? SJU is excellent news for WN, but will be a very very long day if you're connecting from LAX, BOI, GEG, SMF, etc.....

Looks like the policy continues, if WN can't get you to SJU in one connection or less they will not sell you the routing. Since many don't have a non stop or a one stop to MCO or TPA from the west coast many won't even be sold.

I have to assume as BWI, ATL switch over more options will be available.

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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
Since many don't have a non stop or a one stop to MCO or TPA from the west coast many won't even be sold.

I have to assume as BWI, ATL switch over more options will be available.
Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 12):
SJU is excellent news for WN, but will be a very very long day if you're connecting from LAX, BOI, GEG, SMF, etc.....

Hence why I think HOU will come online.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:22 am

Not so sure how Puerto Ricans will take to WN. My vote is that B6 continues to grow and suceed as The Islands 'Hometown' carrier...
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 14):

Hence why I think HOU will come online.

Exactly what I'm thinking. So far LAX-SJU will take 12:05 to do, and the return will be 13:45. For comparison, LAX-AKL is 12:45 and LAX-LHR is 10:15.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 15):

Not so sure how Puerto Ricans will take to WN. My vote is that B6 continues to grow and suceed as The Islands 'Hometown' carrier...

B6 will.

WN will be a formidable carrier To the islands vs. from the Islands.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:02 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 12):
How do the SJU flights play into Southwest's philosophy of never connecting more than twice for a flight? SJU is excellent news for WN, but will be a very very long day if you're connecting from LAX, BOI, GEG, SMF, etc.....

Like Atrude777 pointed out, anything requiring more than 1 plane change won't be sold. Doesn't mean you can't do it, you just have to build it yourself and then ask for the airport staff at your origin if they can check your bags all the way through.
 
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 11):
Yield sucks and demand is far lower than the route's overcapacity. That's not a "very strong" market.

That is why B6 is adding a third daily flight this upcoming spring? If the yields and demand were as low as you say, why would B6 add more capacity when the could utilize that aircraft elsewhere on another route. Am I saying that the route merits 4 daily flights, no. That being said there clearly must be more demand and greater yields than what you are assuming.
 
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:38 am

How about BWI-SJU? I heard that this would change from us (FL) to WN soon?
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 20):
How about BWI-SJU? I heard that this would change from us (FL) to WN soon?

No official word on it yet. Not sure if there is some additional F/A training that needs to happen or not since those would likely purely over water flights.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 21):

We've been doing BWI-SJU for several years and fill those flights.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 16):
Exactly what I'm thinking. So far LAX-SJU will take 12:05 to do, and the return will be 13:45. For comparison, LAX-AKL is 12:45 and LAX-LHR is 10:15.

The majority of connecting passengers will likely be from the east coast instead of the west coast any way. West coast tends to stay more to the likes of Hawaii and SJD, where as the east coast tends to go to the Caribbean.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 14):
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):Since many don't have a non stop or a one stop to MCO or TPA from the west coast many won't even be sold.

I have to assume as BWI, ATL switch over more options will be available.
Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 12):SJU is excellent news for WN, but will be a very very long day if you're connecting from LAX, BOI, GEG, SMF, etc.....
Hence why I think HOU will come online.

If SJU-HOU comes online the only city that will likely be helped out at all on that list is LAX. None of the others have flights to HOU and thus won't be offered due to the one connection only rule.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 22):
We've been doing BWI-SJU for several years and fill those flights.

WN crews have not and that is who would be operating it, not FL crews. I think it is only a matter of time before it is moved to the WN network, but they can't just plug FL F/As into them. Union contracts and all. If I'm wrong on that, someone will correct me.  
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting BTVB6Flyer (Reply 19):
That is why B6 is adding a third daily flight this upcoming spring? If the yields and demand were as low as you say, why would B6 add more capacity when the could utilize that aircraft elsewhere on another route. Am I saying that the route merits 4 daily flights, no. That being said there clearly must be more demand and greater yields than what you are assuming.

That is simply JetBlue dumping capacity in an attempt to run out the competition. Common thing - and we are going to see a lot of capacity dumped into San Juan next year. Not only from JetBlue and Southwest, but AA is widely rumored to be on the verge of announcing a new Eagle contracted carrier from SJU to launch in April, which will likely see it build up mainland flying again. A bloodbath is coming.

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Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:38 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 23):
If SJU-HOU comes online the only city that will likely be helped out at all on that list is LAX. None of the others have flights to HOU and thus won't be offered due to the one connection only rule.

  

But how many people fly from BOI and GEG to SJU everyday? File under "map defense."

Maybe all HOU would help out with geographically (aside from schedules, which is probably the most important consideration) is DAL (for 2 years)? And SAN and SNA? (I'm choosing to exclude CRP, HRL, LIT, and MAF.)
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 25):
Not only from JetBlue and Southwest, but AA is widely rumored to be on the verge of announcing a new Eagle contracted carrier from SJU to launch in April, which will likely see it build up mainland flying again. A bloodbath is coming.

LMFAO! omg this is hillarious.... Are you from Puerto Rico? ask anyone from down there what their opinion of AA is compared to B6...American wont grab a footing again especially now that a better product has come in and laid anchor..and regarding WN..good luck..i hope they lose enough money down there to put a halt to their 'competition killoff campaigns' elsewhere
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:56 am

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 27):
Are you from Puerto Rico?

IIRC, MAH4546 once claimed Cuban ancestry.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:08 am

Quoting neveragain (Reply 26):
Maybe all HOU would help out with geographically (aside from schedules, which is probably the most important consideration) is DAL (for 2 years)? And SAN and SNA? (I'm choosing to exclude CRP, HRL, LIT, and MAF.)

SAN, SNA, OAK. Other possible/additional offerings from HOU's nice route network particularly in the south. Also offers additional LAS and PHX connections. Again though we are talking low yield low volume SJU connectivity.
 
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RE: WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA

Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:29 pm

So aside from WN adding TPA-SJU, FL will keep their twice daily as well? That's five flights a day from TPA to SJU. Wow!
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 30):
So aside from WN adding TPA-SJU, FL will keep their twice daily as well? That's five flights a day from TPA to SJU. Wow!

No, MCO/TPA-SJU are being transfered to WN on 4-14-13. FL will cease flying these two routes on 4-13-13.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 1):
Flight 31 will be DAL-HOU-TPA-SJU

Anyone have any idea what the other same-plane routings in/out of SJU are? I'd be curious to know. Didn't someone say there was a PVD-MCO-SJU routing? Thanks!
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 27):
'competition killoff campaigns'

With your screen name, you shouldn't be so hypocritical as NWA was the king of that department.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 27):
ask anyone from down there what their opinion of AA is compared to B6...

It's absolutely true. AA is in a very difficult position at SJU. People are disappointed at AA's abandonment of the SJU mini-hub (an emotional reaction of course, because the decision was merely a business decision, but a strong reaction nonetheless) and B6's pricing and route network fits the local market beautifully.

SJU will be a tough nut for WN to crack... But they have to merge AirTran over; can't wait forever.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:30 pm

FYI, I believe in a previous post someone asked if SWA FA had to be trained for over water flying and the aircraft had to be outfitted with rafts. US mainline to SJU does not require FA's to be over water trained nor do the aircraft have to have life rafts. Flights from mainline to SJU are covered under Flag carrier operations and only required to fly within 162 nautical miles of land. So with this new service over water trainging and life ragts for SJU are not required. However when SWA starts near international service all FA's will have to be overwater trained.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:03 pm

So TPA is loosing a flight to SJU. I think 3 flights is more than enough.
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 32):
Anyone have any idea what the other same-plane routings in/out of SJU are? I'd be curious to know. Didn't someone say there was a PVD-MCO-SJU routing? Thanks!

Yes one flight routes PVD-MCO-SJU one-stop no plane change in each direction. The only other "one-stopper" I see is a Saturday ony MKE-MCO-SJU (no one-stop return).